21st June - Kya Mera Pyaar Paap Hai... (Kes-Gul)

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Well i think todays episode was an eye-opener on quite a few things 😊

Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same

My fave scene was between Paanbha and Kesar, another thing i love about Kesar is he is very simple in the questions he asks, a hard question - he gets across so simply, like he says as he asks him mum, not to answer him as a mother but as an woman, why is it so wrong for him to love an older woman, and a widow woman, and that woman being his older brother's wife, when the matter of the fact is that woman was the one who did deeyarvatu with him, who was the younger brother (similar the same question Kesar asks Gulaal later) why was the deeyarvatu right but not fall in love with her, these questions are simple and yeah Kesar was right to ask them, but we all there is more to those questions as such esp from Gulaal pov, and how she feels
As Paanbha says how do you answer such questions, and what answers can you give - but the thing right now is so jumbled up - Kesar has said what he wants, and made his decision, Gulaal has said what she wants and made her decision... and so on. As Paanbha says what about Talli (i know most dont care for her but i think we can get some empathy for her and i was abit surprised that PB brought her into the convo in a way - its as if PB really didnt know how to console Kesar and give him the answers that he is looking or whatever) and Kesar finally realises that he hasnt once thought what might have gone through Talli's heart or what he was doing he didnt once think of her, and what made me laugh is that Kesar even when talking to Talli and saying sorry knowing full well he hurt he (the guy knew this on the wedding day and said sorry and so on), he was still on about himself and his love... no wonder Talli got stern with him, its not that he kept going on about his love and Gulaal, in some ways Talli accepts and knows it, its just that seeing Kesar so weak and feeling sorry for him, is what would get to her i guess, because i am not sure if am the only one that wanted Kesar to gain strength, but i get Kesar and his disadvantage he feels now that he has finally got what his feelings and love meant, that again is gone away from him... his whole identity and existence is Gulaal and i feel he needs to come out of in a good way, gain that as a strength instead of making it seem weak, and the only defence that made him strong was his anger and somewhat hate, he kept living on, even though those emotions were again connected with Gulaal (i feel bad for saying that, coz i feel i am not getting what i want across well)
Even though i had a little feeling first place Gulaal would go was her parents house, and she did - and even though she hadnt told them the real reason on why she had to leave was coz Kesar confessed his love, but we knew Poonambha would come down on her like anything, and saying you are making a mistake, walking away from that house and Kesar - we know in a way she is, but she also needs time and thats why i think its good she left, give her a breather - and the fact that her dad is the only one who is reasonable (and knew how his daughter is, and would be like) and in a good mind to talk to her and get across what needs to in a way, about life in general - past and future, which Gulaal needs even though it will be hard for her to take in and understand, its always been her and her dad, talking and seeing things through in a way. Her dad was right when he told Poonambha to understand the situation right now, that the time right now - Gulaal needs us and so on.
You know i do feel D was right, that Kesar should sometimes talk to elders then shouting the odds at times - have some understanding considering who he is talking to and who is around, and get across what he wants, and well we all know JK just does what she always does for her own gain as well
Last scene was pretty good, again we see such simple thoughts coming out of Kesar, even though there was still a sense of desperation in him, that little twinge of him begging her, but he did hit the bullseye with his question
We see Gulaal putting up a picture of Vasant up, her past and then her mum tells her Kesar is here, in other words i will say her present/future is here coming in Kesar. I think Gulaal in this scene got a few sutble jolts i guess, the simple facts that Kesar said to her, which i think for ages one by one needed to come out coz today Gulaal is thinking it, she cant and this is wrong, and like JZee said she feels violated, and i think thats the right word to use for her and what is happening everytime Kesar says or tries to say ILU, even today she snapped, and says atleast have some respect i think (as she feels she is Vasant's - Kesar's older brother's wife/widow, thats what Gulaal has lived as... and sees herself as) coz he is Kesar, the Kesar she knows, Vasant's Kesar
I still say a new chapter has to begin for Kesar-Gulaal, and yeah it will be a long one which is justified and needed, but they do need to grow together, Kesar is making something of himself and gain strength in his love and for Gulaal its to move forward maybe not with Kesar as one but in herself she has to, even if Gul-Kes come together today as going back home or whatever, they also need to move forward not only just together as the relation they share but in themselves as well, individually... starting point i have said it them getting off on the right foot and meaning both growing up esp Kesar, i have said even yesterday Kesar has got it in him to understand, and capacity to understand each and everything, and can change, and i dont mean change dratically but change in growing up, and obviously still somewhat keeping his Kesar qualities he has.
Gulaal and Kesar are not wrong in where they stand today, and what both think and want, and feel from their povs and what they are asking in themselves and others, and how Gulaal feels what she does and so on - either they make a compromise together or individually but i want to see them grow together, envolve - even ifs it individually right now
One thing i will say and its important is both Gulaal-Kesar need to understand each other and so on (and support as well), and because there is lot of things still left open concerning, feelings, love, moving forward, new relation, pain, Vasant truth, Dushyant, the secret, even Durgesh at some point lol - and this something i feel they should and could manage together and also grow as well
I think in a way, we can see that Gulaal did somewhat get a closure yesterday with Vasant esp if todays and tomorrow's scene are to go by, judging by what her dad says to her in the precap and Kesar raising questions on deeyarvatu, its ok to do that but not to love and so on... but we all know what reason she did that deeyarvatu in the first place, but the reason today from Kesar's pov is different, he wants it, he fought for it to stay, he stood up for it... and now it seems he is standing up again and making Gulaal thinking even if she doesnt want to...
PRECAP - I was waiting for this kind of scene, esp between Gulaal and her dad, coz it would only have to be her dad to talk to Gulaal like this and also comfort her and get through to her, make her aware of things, even if Gulaal is adamant not to fully understand it just now and shake her head...

Cause you can be hurt by love or healed by the same, timing is everything

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Lennie,
are you sure you are not doing a literature thesis secretly on Indian serials and some topic related...
you do analyze each string very well...and although we have disagreed in the past...do respect your pov, though opposite to mine...
we both agree they both need time to evolve and mature...before phase ii...
as long as they dont axe the show in the interim...
keep it up...;)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: prernacda

Lennie,

are you sure you are not doing a literature thesis secretly on Indian serials and some topic related...
you do analyze each string very well...and although we have disagreed in the past...do respect your pov, though opposite to mine...
we both agree they both need time to evolve and mature...before phase ii...
as long as they dont axe the show in the interim...
keep it up...;)

Thanks for the kind words and no i dont do that lol, and yes we have disagreed but always in a good manner 😊 and i think i see the depth in everything and this show and character make you feel it and see it and how it connects...
And i so agree with you, these two need time, together and individually to evolve and mature, before the next big step and like i said they need a starting point...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I loved Jamunaa today! She might have been the bad person in the past and still has ulterior motives to get Gulaal and Kesar together but what she said to Paan baa today was spot on! Paanbaa was fretting about what Kesar had said and I loved Jamunaa's explanation to her. After all the deeyarvattu concept is not new to their family especially since PB and MB have gone through with it. Poignant point to think about is that if PB had not married MB after her first husbands death...there would have been no Kesar!

I loved Kesars questions to his mother...my heart just goes out to him. He is not wrong, he knows he is not wrong and one way or the other the family too realize that his love for Gulaal is not wrong...which is why PB had no answers for him. I felt that she had to bring Talli into the conversation because she just did not have simple answers to the very simple questions her son had asked her...

Gulaal is being stubborn and I feel she has taken an impulsive decision...after Kes Talli wedding had broken off, MB had told Kesar that as a father he could see that Kes had made an impulsive decision without thinking things through...in fact MB had told Kes that in life, before making any decisions, they need to be thought through or else they will affect everyone around. Gulaal needs to hear that from MB as well. What she does not understand is that leaving the house will not achieve anything for anyone. She can run but she really cannot hide and that is what she is doing right now...She knows that Kesar is not going to fall in love with Talli or anyone else. Her decision to leave has upset everyone...MB, PB, Kes and most of all...herself. I really liked the way her father explained to Poonam that asking Gulaal to leave the house is not the solution and that if she stays with them...they could try to soften her stand...father knows his daughter best...

I knew that Kes would go to get Gulaal and his questions were really good because for the first time we could see Gulaal actually thinking about his questions...that is a huge start. She won't give in so easily but I am glad that Kesar has begun to ask her questions that make her think!! I see a silver lining and it looks good 😍
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anjalg

I loved Jamunaa today! She might have been the bad person in the past and still has ulterior motives to get Gulaal and Kesar together but what she said to Paan baa today was spot on! Paanbaa was fretting about what Kesar had said and I loved Jamunaa's explanation to her. After all the deeyarvattu concept is not new to their family especially since PB and MB have gone through with it. Poignant point to think about is that if PB had not married MB after her first husbands death...there would have been no Kesar! JK is one woman who certainly pushes the buttons that makes everyone aware at the same, i agree with what you say

I loved Kesars questions to his mother...my heart just goes out to him. He is not wrong, he knows he is not wrong and one way or the other the family too realize that his love for Gulaal is not wrong...which is why PB had no answers for him. I felt that she had to bring Talli into the conversation because she just did not have simple answers to the very simple questions her son had asked her... He isnt wrong, and like you say he knows he isnt wrong, he has always been simple and get what he wants out, coz he feel he isnt wrong. PB and i think anyone wouldnt have answers for him, all i can say or probably most of us would to his questions is, that its not a sin or somewhat wrong, but its not simple as well, there much more to it.

Gulaal is being stubborn and I feel she has taken an impulsive decision...after Kes Talli wedding had broken off, MB had told Kesar that as a father he could see that Kes had made an impulsive decision without thinking things through...in fact MB had told Kes that in life, before making any decisions, they need to be thought through or else they will affect everyone around. Gulaal needs to hear that from MB as well. What she does not understand is that leaving the house will not achieve anything for anyone. She can run but she really cannot hide and that is what she is doing right now...She knows that Kesar is not going to fall in love with Talli or anyone else. Her decision to leave has upset everyone...MB, PB, Kes and most of all...herself. I really liked the way her father explained to Poonam that asking Gulaal to leave the house is not the solution and that if she stays with them...they could try to soften her stand...father knows his daughter best... Thats why i wanted a father/daughter convo between them, only someway even little Gulaal's dad is the best person right now for Gulaal in comforting her and talking to her, then what her mum does to her and talks to her
I think she knows deep down, that leaving the house wont achieve things and Kesar well wont settle or change his soch or his feelings (thats the thing she cant deal with at the moment), but as i said she does need time out at the moment, and it might just be a good thing for her even if its not for Kesar or the house, for her its good i will.

I knew that Kes would go to get Gulaal and his questions were really good because for the first time we could see Gulaal actually thinking about his questions...that is a huge start. She won't give in so easily but I am glad that Kesar has begun to ask her questions that make her think!! I see a silver lining and it looks good 😍 And that is what was needed on the whole to start that process isnt it, that we actually saw Gulaal thinking on what Kesar said, and thats a start as you... and her father talking to be will be another added factor to that huge start i feel, and this process i do feel that maybe just maybe Gulaal will start to think, even though we know she wont give in easily, it will be a struggle for her, not coz of only her stubborness but what she feels on it as well, its hard for her to think beyond that, but i think she will eventually

Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I was looking for your topic, not sure how I missed.

I've kind of scattered my analysis in different topics and I think you've seen them. It was interesting to see Kesar putting his dilemma in front of all the women today. The guy is so genuine with his questions! I'm sure Gulaal will have an answer for him tomorrow but I hope he doesn't leave without her. Too much separation will get tedious :P
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I was looking for your topic, not sure how I missed.


I've kind of scattered my analysis in different topics and I think you've seen them. It was interesting to see Kesar putting his dilemma in front of all the women today. The guy is so genuine with his questions! I'm sure Gulaal will have an answer for him tomorrow but I hope he doesn't leave without her. Too much separation will get tedious :P

It was abit late 😊
Yes i saw, and as you saw there one that i agreed with completely, that said it all 😊
I think he will leave without her, only coz she needs time and she isnt even thinking at all of going back, coz she is adamant and like her dad says (and also alot has happened in that house, how Gulaal feels with Suds/Talli, Motabha), and also coz her dad might be able to somewhat make her think on her life, and what it stands today.
Today Kesar made her think with those questions, the thinking process has started - thats a start, and the process should go on now
Gulaal i see will either say what she has been saying to him, to get him to go or not answer
Kesar is simple as i said, and he asks the questions so well, that its so simple, but the answers to those questions arent that simple are they, thats the thing here
Tables have turned with Kesar and Gulaal, Gulaal is being what Kesar was before...
You know how Kesar has been before, and took him years to figure out what he feels, and what it is.. rightly so, i think Gulaal is gonna have a similar journey with her feelings, what we are seeing of Gulaal is how kinda like Kesar has been with her, whilst Gulaal tried to talk to him, and now Kesar wants to talk, Gulaal is being closed off and exist the way she always has, and wants to not deal with it, even if she knows that none of this is gonna go away - thats why it was important for her to step out of that house, make that big decision and feel as she is leaving the house and somewhat Vasant's responsibilities and so on, and now to think of her own mind... and what Kesar asked her today, atleast some thinking is coming as we saw Gulaal in the last scene
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I always look forward to your posts and analysis. You always help me see the nuances and under currents I miss!

Great post as always!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Lenzie🤗
I was thinking of what to write but you've actually said everything I felt in todays episode.
Kesar and Paanba's scene was lovely. Kesar was a young man asking his mother to answer his questions as a woman. And as a mother I know that sometimes you just dont have the right answers cos not everything is as black and white as it seems.
I kind of understand why Talli got angry with Kesar. He went to apologise to her but went on and on about himself and his love for Gulaal. For a girl who has just had her heart broken and left at the altar so to speak, this is not what she wanted to hear so she lashed out at him.
The last scene was amazing. I was transfixed! I loved Kesars questions and the fact that for the first time Gulaal probably thought about what he was trying to say instead of blocking it out.
The precap was interesting. Maybe Gulaals dads words might get through to her and she might start thinking of Kesar as her husband and not as Vasants younger brother.
I must mention Neils acting today. It was fantastic. He really is an exceptional actor.
Wonderful as always Lenzie.😳
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Ye kya hora hai!!!!😕


mujhe gussa arahi hai!!!😡

bahut gussa arahi hai!!!!!!!😡

bahut bahut gussa arahi hai!!!!!! 😡😡


sab loge sirf kesar ko point out karte hai... aur gulaal ki tarfdari...!!!!!😒


kuch karna chahiye...!!!!😉


kya??????????


main kesar ki shaadi jamna kaki se karadungi!!!!!!❤️🥳

she is the only one who always stands with kesar in every good r bad situation!! Yes!! she is devilish, cunning, bitch... but she really thinks good n do good to kesar N gives "gyaan" to BACHA kesar.. those words are MAY be little bit poisonous but works like a boosting power to kesar.. !!!

Jai ho Jamna Kaki!!!!🤗

AUR gulaal ki shaadi ... Dushyanth se karvane chahiye... donoki jodi achi jamegi... after all dusht ba is the biggest fan of ...her !!!😈



aur Talli... !!! uski shaadi to Motaba se karvadungi!!! 🤪

jab sab logonki tevar tik ho jayegi!!!!😈


kesar really treats her as a good friend.. n in yesterday's epi.. he has shared his all feelings.. n being his best friend she should show some pity on him... !! but she is very angry... bcoz kesar has dumped her too badly.. its ok, just hope soon she will realise the things n understands kesar .. !!

ok , talli n motaba's shaadi is cancelled!!😊
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