The Moral Scale and where they stand

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Posted: 14 years ago
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What a range of human behaviour and ethical standards we have on this show! Many of these are valid, of course and we could make some very solid arguments to back many of the stances. Very interesting to see how these contrasting priorities pull and tug the narrative and push the story further.

Here is an analysis of their ethics and their basic goodness/evil on the scale.

Category 1
IG Mathur and Pratigya Singh

Theirs is an extreme and very idealistic stance. Ruled in part by the textbook, but also by their own strong moral compass, they both have the utmost faith in the law, the system and above all in the principle of the Rule of Law. They know there are aberrations in the system but give or take, they believe that society is run on fairly straightforward lines - there are rules, there are the rights of an individual and anyone who transgresses these must be punished for the betterment of the whole. They also believe that in most cases, 'getting away' with crime or misdemeanours only emboldens the wrongdoer.
This is not to say that the IG and P are cardboard characters - they are both loving people but they are extremely clearheaded in that personal relationships must not influence their larger duty. The IG's duty is more clear-cut. He is in a job that makes these rigorous demands of him. Pratigya's position is more difficult - she is a woman, forced by circumstances and her own nature to give loyalty to family and relationships; she is part of a family that is not only steeped in wrongdoing but extremely shrill about her 'opinion' of them - not only is she castigated for acting against them, she is also not expected to THINK badly of them merely because they are her in-laws. Her love for her husband and the muzzling of her own ideals makes it a very difficult position for her.

Category 2
Aman Mathur and Mrs Mathur
Again both idealistic people. Believe that justice must be carried out but the reason they are in category 2 and not 1 is because theirs is a slightly softer stance. They are both very invested in the human relationships around them. Mrs Mathur does not find fault with her husband but she is human enough to WANT her son safe, human enough to want that Aman's engagement not be harmed by her husband's ideals. Aman also believes in the law but he places a value on people. In the mystery surrounding Gaurav Mathur, Aman believes that his father was right but perhaps too rigid and too authoritative.

Category 3
Shyam Saxena, Adarsh Saxena, Naina Saxena, Arushi Saxena, Dadi Saxena

This is a fuzzy group. I have lumped them together merely because they all sort of fall into the same average but they are all different in their own way.

Shyam Saxena is idealistic but not in the same way as his daughter, because his is not a 'by-the-book' goodness. He does not place a premium on the law and the rulebook per se. His abiding principles are: being humane, being forgiving, being kind, giving people the benefit of the doubt. His priorities are a mix of the legal and the human. He judges people by his own personal yardstick and follows his own conscience/inner gut rather than the prescribed action.
His ideals of courage are greater in theory and he cannot truly carry them out in action. He has taught his children more than he can himself uphold - Adarsh and Pratigya have more strength of purpose than he does. He recognises this and tries to support them.

Adarsh Saxena. Has more guts than his father, is slightly more ruthless than his father but like him, does not place the law or the rulebook above his own judgement. If he thinks Jai should be let off for a combination of reasons, he is not perturbed by what the law says. Like his father, Adarsh also is humane, basically kind but less inclined to forgive and forget when it comes to people who have harmed him. But he also has infinite patience and is a gentle man who does not seek to harm anyone.

Naina Saxena. Doesn't care about the law at all if it means that her family is harmed or affected. She wants to make sure that HER family's interests are taken care of before the larger society is served. But she is extremely loving and kind, infinitely forgiving, and is one of those persons of whom you could say: she cannot hurt a fly. Her unfailing good nature is what sets Nainaji apart.

Arushi Saxena. Arushi has the right upbringing but she (so far) lacks the push to make her stand on her ideals. She was a frank, opinionated teenager but since has grown to be a quieter adult who is somewhat unsure of herself. She has yet to face tests that will show her (and us) what she really is.

Dadi Saxena. In the beginning, she was a cantankerous old woman who just wanted to put people around her in the wrong. With all that has happened to the Saxena family, she has become cowed down. Her ideals are hazy and she is again more concerned with her family's well-being than what is strictly right or wrong. But underneath her gruff manner, she is essentially a harmless woman with more bark than bite. She loves her son, DIL and grandchildren. In spite of despising Komal, she has made a genuine effort to be conciliatory and accommodating.

Category 4
Krishna Singh, Gaurav Mathur, Jai Mathur

This is also a motley group, put together for their mean average.

Krishna Singh Thakur. Disadvantaged by birth, upbringing and character. He has been brought up under the 'might is right' principle. He believes it to a large extent ' he thinks of the law as a pesky inconvenience that is only good for theory and that in the 'real world' things happen differently ' according to the law of the jungle. He despises the weak for not standing up for themselves and believes that is reason enough for their subjugation. He is irritated by idealism, helping the downtrodden etc ' he thinks people make too big a deal of it.
However, Krishna's essential nature is kind, protective and just. He has himself never abused power to a very great extent till it came to forcing Pratigya into marriage. He has the right values almost by instinct. He is capable of great loving. He is intelligent ' he sees people clearly across the social range. He dislikes injustice, subjugation or cruel dominance. So far, he has only made a push to assert himself and what he sees as 'his'. He is essentially selfish ' does not want to be bothered by the whole world's troubles.

Gaurav Mathur. Going by the mystery past, has been on the shady side of law. Resents his father for not protecting him, for punishing him for the transgression.

Jai Mathur. Scared and therefore has dubious ethics. More concerned by his own skin than doing what is right. Driven by fear of punishment rather than moral right.

Category 5
Kesar, Ghanti Dadi

These women have bought into the domination-subjugation pattern.
Kesar and Ghanti Dadi, although victims, have no hope that the law can do anything for them. They simply do not believe in it ' it is completely outside their ken. In their behaviour they are guided by kindness, but only to the extent that they can spare it. Kesar and Ghanti Dadi have become so used to barely surviving that it has also left them selfish to do anything for others if it means going out on a limb. They lack the courage to do anything that will leave them open to be victimised. By continuing to suffer, by not raising voice, they have unthinkingly fostered the system of dominance.

Category 6
Komal
Komal completely believes in the 'might is right' funda. She has escaped the male-dominated culture herself and she thinks it is because of her own strong personality. She has contempt for the weak and she assumes that people who choose not to press home their advantage or have things their own way are automatically weak. She understands and respects nothing but power. She has no respect for the law whatsoever nor does she have basic fairness ' she is unreasonable and self-centred. When HER self interest is involved, she is unable to even PERCEIVE another point of view ' her preoccupation with her own needs obscures everything else. What sweetens her personality sometimes is her need for love, and she responds to being treated nicely. When her own interest is not at stake, she is able to behave fairly and sensibly.


Category 7
Sajjan Singh, Sumitra Devi Singh, Shakti Singh

Complete and utter disregard for the law, justice, fairness, kindness or humanity. Their single point agenda is their continued dominance over the lives and fates of other people. They are completely self-serving and have demonstrated that they will do anything ' no matter how illegal, inhuman or evil ' to ensure that they are on top. Nothing else matters. They are corrupt socially and morally. They are willing to trample on the rights of others, as well as their feelings, in order to achieve their means. Their love for each other, and for Krishna also is selfish, extremely conditional and self serving.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kya baat hai, Bubble. Talk of a moral rainbow! How systematically your moral scale is! Love the fact that the top most rung is rather light! At least poor P has some company now!😆 Did you not feel that there was a distinct look of mutual admiration exchanged between P and the IG in yesterdays epi?
POOR poor P. That is the kind of houshold, the kind of sasur who she would have loved!
She must find it intolerable to offer her loyalty to people like the Thakurs!😭 But like I keep saying, life and love and fate are cruel things.


P>S one small quibble! You should have have seven levels of morality, just for a sense of fullness.
😆


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WOW 👏Clap👏👏👏👏👏 !!!!!! What a post, what an analysis, unbelievable clarity with which each and every character's image is presented by you. Amazing post Bubble. Two in a row this evening. I haven't fully enjoyed Deyhard's post yet !.Now this one
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapbubble

What a range of human behaviour and ethical standards we have on this show! Many of these are valid, of course and we could make some very solid arguments to back many of the stances. Very interesting to see how these contrasting priorities pull and tug the narrative and push the story further.

Here is an analysis of their ethics and their basic goodness/evil on the scale.

Category 1
IG Mathur and Pratigya Singh

Theirs is an extreme and very idealistic stance. Ruled in part by the textbook, but also by their own strong moral compass, they both have the utmost faith in the law, the system and above all in the principle of the Rule of Law. They know there are aberrations in the system but give or take, they believe that society is run on fairly straightforward lines - there are rules, there are the rights of an individual and anyone who transgresses these must be punished for the betterment of the whole. They also believe that in most cases, 'getting away' with crime or misdemeanours only emboldens the wrongdoer.
This is not to say that the IG and P are cardboard characters - they are both loving people but they are extremely clearheaded in that personal relationships must not influence their larger duty. The IG's duty is more clear-cut. He is in a job that makes these rigorous demands of him. Pratigya's position is more difficult - she is a woman, forced by circumstances and her own nature to give loyalty to family and relationships; she is part of a family that is not only steeped in wrongdoing but extremely shrill about her 'opinion' of them - not only is she castigated for acting against them, she is also not expected to THINK badly of them merely because they are her in-laws. Her love for her husband and the muzzling of her own ideals makes it a very difficult position for her.

Category 2
Aman Mathur and Mrs Mathur
Again both idealistic people. Believe that justice must be carried out but the reason they are in category 2 and not 1 is because theirs is a slightly softer stance. They are both very invested in the human relationships around them. Mrs Mathur does not find fault with her husband but she is human enough to WANT her son safe, human enough to want that Aman's engagement not be harmed by her husband's ideals. Aman also believes in the law but he places a value on people. In the mystery surrounding Gaurav Mathur, Aman believes that his father was right but perhaps too rigid and too authoritative.

Category 3
Shyam Saxena, Adarsh Saxena, Naina Saxena, Arushi Saxena, Dadi Saxena

This is a fuzzy group. I have lumped them together merely because they all sort of fall into the same average but they are all different in their own way.

Shyam Saxena is idealistic but not in the same way as his daughter, because his is not a 'by-the-book' goodness. He does not place a premium on the law and the rulebook per se. His abiding principles are: being humane, being forgiving, being kind, giving people the benefit of the doubt. His priorities are a mix of the legal and the human. He judges people by his own personal yardstick and follows his own conscience/inner gut rather than the prescribed action.
His ideals of courage are greater in theory and he cannot truly carry them out in action. He has taught his children more than he can himself uphold - Adarsh and Pratigya have more strength of purpose than he does. He recognises this and tries to support them.

Adarsh Saxena. Has more guts than his father, is slightly more ruthless than his father but like him, does not place the law or the rulebook above his own judgement. If he thinks Jai should be let off for a combination of reasons, he is not perturbed by what the law says. Like his father, Adarsh also is humane, basically kind but less inclined to forgive and forget when it comes to people who have harmed him. But he also has infinite patience and is a gentle man who does not seek to harm anyone.

Naina Saxena. Doesn't care about the law at all if it means that her family is harmed or affected. She wants to make sure that HER family's interests are taken care of before the larger society is served. But she is extremely loving and kind, infinitely forgiving, and is one of those persons of whom you could say: she cannot hurt a fly. Her unfailing good nature is what sets Nainaji apart.

Arushi Saxena. Arushi has the right upbringing but she (so far) lacks the push to make her stand on her ideals. She was a frank, opinionated teenager but since has grown to be a quieter adult who is somewhat unsure of herself. She has yet to face tests that will show her (and us) what she really is.

Dadi Saxena. In the beginning, she was a cantankerous old woman who just wanted to put people around her in the wrong. With all that has happened to the Saxena family, she has become cowed down. Her ideals are hazy and she is again more concerned with her family's well-being than what is strictly right or wrong. But underneath her gruff manner, she is essentially a harmless woman with more bark than bite. She loves her son, DIL and grandchildren. In spite of despising Komal, she has made a genuine effort to be conciliatory and accommodating.

Category 4
Krishna Singh, Gaurav Mathur, Jai Mathur

This is also a motley group, put together for their mean average.

Krishna Singh Thakur. Disadvantaged by birth, upbringing and character. He has been brought up under the 'might is right' principle. He believes it to a large extent ' he thinks of the law as a pesky inconvenience that is only good for theory and that in the 'real world' things happen differently ' according to the law of the jungle. He despises the weak for not standing up for themselves and believes that is reason enough for their subjugation. He is irritated by idealism, helping the downtrodden etc ' he thinks people make too big a deal of it.
However, Krishna's essential nature is kind, protective and just. He has himself never abused power to a very great extent till it came to forcing Pratigya into marriage. He has the right values almost by instinct. He is capable of great loving. He is intelligent ' he sees people clearly across the social range. He dislikes injustice, subjugation or cruel dominance. So far, he has only made a push to assert himself and what he sees as 'his'. He is essentially selfish ' does not want to be bothered by the whole world's troubles.

Gaurav Mathur. Going by the mystery past, has been on the shady side of law. Resents his father for not protecting him, for punishing him for the transgression.

Jai Mathur. Scared and therefore has dubious ethics. More concerned by his own skin than doing what is right. Driven by fear of punishment rather than moral right.

Category 5
Komal, Kesar, Ghanti Dadi

All these three women have bought into the domination-subjugation pattern.
Komal completely believes in the 'might is right' funda. She has escaped the male-dominated culture herself and she thinks it is because of her own strong personality. She has contempt for the weak and she assumes that people who choose not to press home their advantage or have things their own way are automatically weak. She understands and respects nothing but power. She has no respect for the law whatsoever nor does she have basic fairness ' she is unreasonable and self-centred. When HER self interest is involved, she is unable to even PERCEIVE another point of view ' her preoccupation with her own needs obscures everything else. What sweetens her personality sometimes is her need for love, and she responds to being treated nicely. When her own interest is not at stake, she is able to behave fairly and sensibly.

Kesar and Ghanti Dadi, although victims, have no hope that the law can do anything for them. They simply do not believe in it ' it is completely outside their ken. In their behaviour they are guided by kindness, but only to the extent that they can spare it. Kesar and Ghanti Dadi have become so used to barely surviving that it has also left them selfish to do anything for others if it means going out on a limb. They lack the courage to do anything that will leave them open to be victimised. By continuing to suffer, by not raising voice, they have unthinkingly fostered the system of dominance.

Category 6
Sajjan Singh, Sumitra Devi Singh, Shakti Singh

Complete and utter disregard for the law, justice, fairness, kindness or humanity. Their single point agenda is their continued dominance over the lives and fates of other people. They are completely self-serving and have demonstrated that they will do anything ' no matter how illegal, inhuman or evil ' to ensure that they are on top. Nothing else matters. They are corrupt socially and morally. They are willing to trample on the rights of others, as well as their feelings, in order to achieve their means. Their love for each other, and for Krishna also is selfish, extremely conditional and self serving.

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Hello Bubble,
Its a pleasure to read your posts. This one is exceptional and I have to congratulate you on your dominance over language.
Anu
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dyehard

Kya baat hai, Bubble. Talk of a moral rainbow! How systematically your moral scale is! Love the fact that the top most rung is rather light! At least poor P has some company now!😆 Did you not feel that there was a distinct look of mutual admiration exchanged between P and the IG in yesterdays epi?
POOR poor P. That is the kind of houshold, the kind of sasur who she would have loved!
She must find it intolerable to offer her loyalty to people like the Thakurs!😭 But like I keep saying, life and love and fate are cruel things.


P>S one small quibble! You should have have seven levels of morality, just for a sense of fullness.
😆




Thank you, Dye! 🤗
Yes, if Pratigya had married Aman and she had the IG for a sasur, he would have replaced Papa Saxena as hero in her life 😆😆

Seven levels of morality would ahve been great, wouldn't it? Let me see if I can finetune the list 😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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wowwwwwwwww bubble gr8 post.i like d part where u deliniate krishna's charatcer..................👏
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Originally posted by: PRAGMATIC

WOW 👏 !!!!!! What a post, what an analysis, unbelievable clarity with which each and every character's image is presented by you. Amazing post Bubble. Two in a row this evening. I haven't fully enjoyed Deyhard's post yet !.Now this one
- MADE MY DAY - 🤗



Thank you very much Sam!
It surprises me when people equate what they see as 'hypocrisy' - which is a light shade of grey with murder or dominance, which is a rather blackish grey.
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Originally posted by: anusarkar

Hello Bubble,
Its a pleasure to read your posts. This one is exceptional and I have to congratulate you on your dominance over language.
Anu



Thank you very much, Anu! Really appreciate it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapbubble



Thank you very much Sam!
It surprises me when people equate what they see as 'hypocrisy' - which is a light shade of grey with murder or dominance, which is a rather blackish grey.
Bubble



In this show the characters do not seem to realize that their deeds and their words form their opinion about what life is all about and is also a confession of their character.

Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.


Things looks so bleak for some of the characters on this show.😕


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Just a thought: Komal should be a notch lower than Kesar and Ghanti Dadi. Kesar and Dadi are mute (psychologically or physically) but in their limited capacity they are are still thoughtful and empathetic about others. They try in their own way to smoothen the relationship between Kriya when it turns rocky. They know and appreciate innate goodness of character in others although they are restrained by their own limitations to be vocal about their opinions. They are also trapped in the hell-hole of TN but maintained their basic humanity and purity of thoughts.
Komal, on the other hand, is a a completely self-centered, pig-headed and insensitive character. I do not see any basic difference in her character and that of SS, Amma and Shakti. And, I refuse to believe she loves Adarsh. She wants physical intimacy from him (these Thakur kids are one horny bunch) but she doesn't understand the first thing about support, commitment or sensitivity to her partner. I wish she would just exchange one day with Prats and see life through her eyes.

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