The hidden truths of the 9/11 Tragady!!!!

Hi in this topic we will be posting articles to try and prove who realy masterminded the 9/11 tragady.

Just read the facts and decide for yourselfs, the reality is that in todays society the western leaders with the help of the main stream media can portray what they want and how they want, if they tell us the sun never appeared in iceland today we would accept it. Most of the articles that you will read below have been shunned and sidelined by the main stream media because they dont want us to discover the truth.

Article 1 (March 2nd 2006)

First-hand Accounts of Underground Explosions In The North Tower

Start Logic | November 28 2004

This article from Chief Engineer magazine presents eyewitness account of the moments after the first plane crash, and describes evidence of large explosions in the lobby, parking garage and subbasement levels of WTC-1 at the time of the crash

It contains some fascinating first-hand accounts of the events of September 11 as recounted by operating engineers on the scene. One of the most remarkable is the story of Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the 6th sub-basement of the North Tower when the first plane hit. Here are some excerpts:

At about 6:45 he went to the mechanical shop in the second subbasement, ate his breakfast and chatted with his co-workers who were also arriving for the normal 8:00 a.m. beginning of their shift. Mike's assignment that day would be to continue constructing a gantry that would be used to pull the heads from the 2,500 ton chillers, located in the 6th sub- basement level of the tower. 49,000 tons of refrigeration equipment were located in the lower level of the tower. The 2,500 ton units were the smallest in use...

Deep below the tower, Mike Pecoraro was suddenly interrupted in his grinding task by a shake on his shoulder from his co-worker. "Did you see that?" he was asked. Mike told him that he had seen nothing. "You didn't see the lights flicker?", his co-worker asked again. "No," Mike responded, but he knew immediately that if the lights had flickered, it could spell trouble. A power surge or interruption could play havoc with the building's equipment. If all the pumps trip out or pulse meters trip, it could make for a very long day bringing the entire center's equipment back on-line.

Mike told his co-worker to call upstairs to their Assistant Chief Engineer and find out if everything was all right. His co-worker made the call and reported back to Mike that he was told that the Assistant Chief did not know what happened but that the whole building seemed to shake and there was a loud explosion. They had been told to stay where they were and "sit tight" until the Assistant Chief got back to them. By this time, however, the room they were working in began to fill with a white smoke. "We smelled kerosene," Mike recalled, "I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs", referring to the parking garage located below grade in the tower but above the deep space where they were working.

The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone.

"There was nothing there but rubble, "Mike said. "We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press – gone!" The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. "You could stand here," he said, "and two inches over you couldn't breathe. We couldn't see through the smoke so we started screaming." But there was still no answer.

The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. "There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can't see anything" he said.

They decided to ascend two more levels to the building's lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil" and lying on the floor. "They got us again," Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building's structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building.

Consider the implications of what Mr. Pecoraro describes: At this point the only overt damage to the building was the plane crash some 95 floors above, which could not have caused violent explosions underground. Since the towers were anchored at the base to the bedrock the shaking caused by the crash would have been greatest close to the crash site, getting progressively weaker as it approached the rigid attachment at the bottom. Yet the underground damage he describes can not have been the result of a mere shaking - nothing short of an explosion could reduce the contents of a machine shop to rubble.

Damage to the North Tower Lobby

The damage to the parking garage and lobby simultaneous with the first plane impact are also indicative of the effects of high explosives, with widespread blast damage and fine dust covering the entire scene. Below is a link to a video clip of the WTC-1 lobby area just after the first plane crash, as seen in the documentary "9/11" made by Jules and Gedeon Naudet:

The narrator claims that he "later learned" that there had been an explosion caused by fuel pouring down an elevator shaft, but the lobby shows none of the soot or fuel residue we would expect from such an explosion. Instead we see blown-out windows and a fine dry dust covering the entire lobby, very much the signature of high explosives. Similar damage to the parking garages and subbasements can only be explained by pre-placed explosive charges that were detonated at the moment of the plane's impact.

Another account of underground blasts (For video, click here)

Construction worker Phillip Morelli describes being thrown to the ground by two explosions while in the fourth subbasement of the North Tower. The first, which threw him to the ground and seemed to coincide with the plane crash, was followed by a larger blast that again threw him to the ground and this time blew out walls. He then made his way to the South Tower and was in the subbasement there when the second plane hit, again associated with a powerful underground blast. This is one of a series of interviews with WTC survivors.

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Topic Done By: Kiran(Lil Miz), Irrum (Me) and a fighter for the truth who does not wish to be named...

Sept 11 was one of the most disturbing days in human history. The atrocities committed by radical Islamic terrorists is unacceptable and unforgivable. The truth can never be hidden and the facts regarding Osama claiming the act is neither false nor fabricated.

The media in USA is not in control of the government and the media does not play hand in hand with the government. However, Arab country media does and they have a particular bias towards the West, such as Al Jazeera.

It is a shame that fabrications of such sensitive information and such deplorable items is being used to form any type of opinion against the free world that supports justice, equality and liberty.

However, it is fortunate that many of our Muslim friends are fighting against radicalism and they are the only medicine to cure future Osama's

*** This message might be seen as a counter to the article, but it is just an opinion and no counterweight is intended ***

Originally posted by: Uk_Princez

Hi in this topic we will be posting articles to try and prove who realy masterminded the 9/11 tragady. Can you state "who" masterminded it ?

Just read the facts and decide for yourselfs, the reality is that in todays society the western leaders with the help of the main stream media can portray what they want and how they want, if they tell us the sun never appeared in iceland today we would accept it. Most of the articles that you will read below have been shunned and sidelined by the main stream media because they dont want us to discover the truth. What is this "truth"?

Shriman well siad !!👏 The press and the Goverment are independant of each other in the West...............something our Conspiracy theorists like to ignore !!!! 😊

No Al- Qaeda exists ,Bush planned 9/11 , Nasa cooked up Man on moon,Holocaust did not happen are all conspiracy theories with no back bone!! Just my opinion .............Sorry absurd conspiracy theories aren't my cup of tea !!😛

Originally posted by: shriman

Sept 11 was one of the most disturbing days in human history. The atrocities committed by radical Islamic terrorists is unacceptable and unforgivable. The truth can never be hidden and the facts regarding Osama claiming the act is neither false nor fabricated.

The media in USA is not in control of the government and the media does not play hand in hand with the government. However, Arab country media does and they have a particular bias towards the West, such as Al Jazeera.

It is a shame that fabrications of such sensitive information and such deplorable items is being used to form any type of opinion against the free world that supports justice, equality and liberty.

However, it is fortunate that many of our Muslim friends are fighting against radicalism and they are the only medicine to cure future Osama's

*** This message might be seen as a counter to the article, but it is just an opinion and no counterweight is intended ***

yes i agree with you😛

My brother is taking a course about how technology is alive in our everyday life and how much we depend on it. Recently in one of his classes, the topic they were discussing was about the WTC buildings and their structure cause its a technology course. Anywho, obviously if you are talking about the twin towers, 9/11 and everything about it is gonna come up and start up a debate....and that's what happened. My bro came home from class and told me and my family about some very interesting facts that one of his classmates came up with that make you belive that 9/11 wasn't what we all think it was.

He brought up many good points and facts that cannot be ignored so easily. Now....here are the questions and tell me if they make sense (which I think they do):

1. After any plane that crashes, the first thing investagators look for is the "black-box". Why haven't we heard about the black boxes for the 2 planes that hit? Where are the black boxes?

2. Why is it that miraculously on Sept 11, about 20,000 some odd workers don't show up to work?

3. In my brother's class, they watched a documentary film on the twin towers and their history. In this film it was stated that when the towers were built in around 1960's or 1930's (can't remember exactly when) they were built so that even if a 747 plane hits it, it won't go down. But what they failes to over-look and see was that when a 747 planes crashes through, the gas melts the building..leading to worst things. Now, the question is, that if the building was so strong and built to handle a plane hitting it, when the plane hit the top half should have fell off leaving the tower without a roof basically. How is it that a plane caused the entire tower with 100 or more stories to collapse and so perfectly straight down without even moving side to side or front to back? Unless it was planted?

3. Three months before 9/11 coincidently the ownership of the twin towers was given to someone else. Whoever owned the towers decided all of a sudden to sell the ownership to someone else....and coincidently that company happened to be part of the US Government.????

4. Before WW1, Germany had put their own parliment building on fire to make their own people (germans) believe that they had been attacked so that they could invade and what happened after that....World War 1. NOW, after 9/11 (which I personally believe Bush and the US Government have a HUGE hand it) what happens....the Iraq War.??????????

5. After any plane crashes....the Number 1 thing to look for and take into consideration is COMMUNICATION. Why haven't we heard from anyone communicating with the planes that hit the towers? Why haven't we heard from the control tower people? Where are they?
Terrorists didn't high-jack the control towers too, so where are these people that were in-touch with the planes?

6. There is no doubt that you need to be an expert and I mean and EXPERT to drive a plane perfectly into the top half of the towers. For highjackers that took over the plane....they had to have been like snappers who have such good aim to hit the towers at their weekest point???? Unless there were no terrorists?

7. After the first plane hit, no matter what, it makes sense to evacuate the first tower AND the second tower right? Even though you know the towers were build to handle a plane hitting it, for safety reasons, you should clear out the entire area right? Well, why is it that after the first plane hit the first tower, instead of getting everybody out in the second tower in case anything happens when they were at the door getting out, they made an annoucenment that its ok and they can go back in???????????

What I am trying to say is that there are sooooo many facts that we, the public, are unaware of. Was 9/11 an excuse for Bush to invade Iraq? Are we seeing what the US government and Media want us to see? Are there hidden truths and facts being held from us? If you look at 9/11 in more detail there are 1,000's of questions that arise and things that don't make sense.

Originally posted by: TiN24

My brother is taking a course about how technology is alive in our everyday life and how much we depend on it. Recently in one of his classes, the topic they were discussing was about the WTC buildings and their structure cause its a technology course. Anywho, obviously if you are talking about the twin towers, 9/11 and everything about it is gonna come up and start up a debate....and that's what happened. My bro came home from class and told me and my family about some very interesting facts that one of his classmates came up with that make you belive that 9/11 wasn't what we all think it was.

He brought up many good points and facts that cannot be ignored so easily. Now....here are the questions and tell me if they make sense (which I think they do):

1. After any plane that crashes, the first thing investagators look for is the "black-box". Why haven't we heard about the black boxes for the 2 planes that hit? Where are the black boxes? Yes those black boxes were found !! I remember reading about it then .

2. Why is it that miraculously on Sept 11, about 20,000 some odd workers don't show up to work? I recall when the planes hit it was still early morning ........before the regualr office timimgs ...........so the good thing was many people had not come into work yet .

3. In my brother's class, they watched a documentary film on the twin towers and their history. In this film it was stated that when the towers were built in around 1960's or 1930's (can't remember exactly when) they were built so that even if a 747 plane hits it, it won't go down. But what they failes to over-look and see was that when a 747 planes crashes through, the gas melts the building..leading to worst things. Now, the question is, that if the building was so strong and built to handle a plane hitting it, when the plane hit the top half should have fell off leaving the tower without a roof basically. How is it that a plane caused the entire tower with 100 or more stories to collapse and so perfectly straight down without even moving side to side or front to back? Unless it was planted?
Do you know the same thing was said about the "Titanic " that nothing could sink it ............not even a ice berg ........but i suppose they didn't test it on a ice berg did they ? Nor did the builders test the buildings by running planes through them.

3. Three months before 9/11 coincidently the ownership of the twin towers was given to someone else. Whoever owned the towers decided all of a sudden to sell the ownership to someone else....and coincidently that company happened to be part of the US Government.???? If you want to talk about "co-incidences " i have a fascinating passage on other co-incidences ..........some will shock you !! you can read it in the *next response!!

4. Before WW1, Germany had put their own parliment building on fire to make their own people (germans) believe that they had been attacked so that they could invade and what happened after that....World War 1. NOW, after 9/11 (which I personally believe Bush and the US Government have a HUGE hand it) what happens....the Iraq War.?????????? Yes , so this would be the biggest conspiracy involving thousands ............and wow it is said "what happens in the Oval office never stays in the Oval office"...............every time a Pres has tried to conspire and do something illegal............eventually its leaked and become a scandal!! Reference to all the Clinton, Watergate and the Ronald Reagan and other scandals !! Bush couldn't even keep the phone tapping a secret .......you expect something of this level will stay a secret ?? It will need to involve thousands of people from all levels in such a big conspiracy .............and every single person will keep this a secret . Wow if i had this secret ...............i'd be making billions selling my story to the World Press.

5. After any plane crashes....the Number 1 thing to look for and take into consideration is COMMUNICATION. Why haven't we heard from anyone communicating with the planes that hit the towers? Why haven't we heard from the control tower people? Where are they?
Terrorists didn't high-jack the control towers too, so where are these people that were in-touch with the planes? Ofcourse there were communications .............i remember reading about the conversation !! I

6. There is no doubt that you need to be an expert and I mean and EXPERT to drive a plane perfectly into the top half of the towers. For highjackers that took over the plane....they had to have been like snappers who have such good aim to hit the towers at their weekest point???? Unless there were no terrorists? Are you aware the bio of the terrorist showed they had taken training in flying !! So they were actually pilots without a license!!

7. After the first plane hit, no matter what, it makes sense to evacuate the first tower AND the second tower right? Even though you know the towers were build to handle a plane hitting it, for safety reasons, you should clear out the entire area right? Well, why is it that after the first plane hit the first tower, instead of getting everybody out in the second tower in case anything happens when they were at the door getting out, they made an annoucenment that its ok and they can go back in??????????? No one was expecting the second plane to hit after the first plane ..............i recall watching the first tower go down "live".....and was shocked and didn't expect when the second plane came . Also to stop the panic and avoid stampede and death anyways ....they were asked to slowly vacate.

What I am trying to say is that there are sooooo many facts that we, the public, are unaware of. Was 9/11 an excuse for Bush to invade Iraq? Are we seeing what the US government and Media want us to see? Are there hidden truths and facts being held from us? If you look at 9/11 in more detail there are 1,000's of questions that arise and things that don't make sense.

All your points have a answer !! While i don't have the energy to go through all of them..... but i answered them briefly.You really need to do a thorough research before you make such claims !!

* next response-


1) New York City has 11 letters

2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.

3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin
Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.

4) George W Bush has 11 letters.

This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:

1) New York is the 11th state.

2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number
11.

3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11

4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers.
6+5 = 11

5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11

6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number
911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11.

Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was
254. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.

2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4
= 11.

3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.

4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers
incident.

Now this is where things get totally eerie:

The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is
the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic
holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle.
The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo,
while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for
the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was
peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

Still uncovinced about all of this..?! Try this and see how you feel
afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:

Open Microsoft Word and do the following:

1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first
plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.

2. Highlight the Q33 NY.

3. Change the font size to 48.

4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS

(BTW, I don't think this is an actual conspiracy, but it is strange!)

I got this from a fwd mail and this has some unknown author !!

To: Aparna

I have read and am aware of all these coincidences you posted. Again, how do we know they are purely coincidences? I mean, how can you have so many conincedences one after another all leading to the same question....why did sept 11 really happen?

Like I said before and like I will always say (because its 100% my own opinion)there's more to the story than what we know. All the answers you have given to my questions are fine, but again, that's what everyone would probably figure out and know. What you have posted is what's on the surface. We don't know the real truth behind all this. Don't you see how day by day we there's some new news about sept 11 and all?. That means there's more to what we already know.

In my OWN PERSONAL opinion, I think if Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11, then Bush and the US Government are equally responsible. What I posted before were questions someone else thought up of and what made sense to me so I posted it. Knowing Bush, we probably will never find out the REAL truth. I am not saying that what I posted was 100% right and pure factual because I am not that crazy to post something like that without hardcore evidence to prove my point, but it does make me think twice about who to believe and what to believe about 9/11.

S-i-g-h ...... another debate on another conspiracy theory.

At this rate I'll soon be convinced that Charlie Chaplin caused the NY World Trade Center towers to crumble and that Paris Hilton is responsbile for the extinction of the Dodo ... or was it Sourav Ganguly?

But my vote goes to the conspiracy theorists. The weirder it is the more interesting it gets. Keep bringing them out friends ........

sorry didnt rly read the whoe thing, all i wanna say is im a Muslim New Yorker..i didnt face any discrimination what so ever. It srly sad wut happened to the twins...for a New Yorker its rly emontional, i duun hu rly caused it..but who ever did..is a phyco. its rly sad to look at the empty skies dat once had the proud twin towers. All the poor ppl hu died..the towers them sleves..it sad. but hu ever did it-it was a bad move, for Muslims and for Americans-both are fcing discrimination rly, ppl in sum countries r makin fun of Americans and callin them names, and others r doin the same for Muslims...dis was usless hu ever did it.
KArishma****