KB 1/2-A Vehicle for social change...

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Posted: 16 years ago
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this thought has been meandering around the myriad twists and turns of my assorted gyri and sulci for a while now...

why does KB resonate within me...why do i like this serial so much???
i have put some views in some threads before..but this is prolly one of the main ones....

i like this view of india in flux today..the world of old butting..(oh pulleeze..is THIS allowed??? )heads with the world of the new..ideas, thoughts, traditions,lifestyles, aspirations..colliding against each other..finding a middle existential ground....and this leads to change..in minds, society and eventually community..for better or worse,only time can tell...but change does, will and has to occur..the only things that never changes is the fact that change is inevitable...
reading up on change in social, societal structures(wiki is becoming a fast friend these days..with all the infintely.. loopy research i am doing..)i came across some fantastic quotes..

ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER:
Change alone is eternal, perpetual, immortal...IOW..that is the only constant

EDWIN H. FRIEDMAN:
The colossal misunderstanding of our time is the assumption that insight will work with people who are unmotivated to change. Communication does not depend on syntax, or eloquence, or rhetoric, or articulation but on the emotional context in which the message is being heard. People can only hear you when they are moving toward you, and they are not likely to when your words are pursuing them. Even the choices words lose their power when they are used to overpower. Attitudes are the real figures of speech....Aaah!! the list of people that can be coagulated(and i find this term apropos) here..among others..fictional or otherwise...Materinblinkers, Honeymooning Mariana..aka Dolly Chachi..Marianna..coz of the trenches she digs when she opens her mouth...


FELIX ADLER:
We cannot adopt the way of living that was satisfactory a hundred years ago. The world in which we live has changed, and we must change with it...Yes!Yes!Yes!..The conflict in a quintessential nutshell..which then leads to...

SAUL ALINSKY:
Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict...and this then..segues into...

PETER F. DRUCKER:
Society, community, family are all conserving institutions. They try to maintain stability, and to prevent, or at least to slow down, change. But the organization of the post-capitalist society of organizations is a destabilizer. Because its function is to put knowledge to work -- on tools, processes, and products; on work; on knowledge itself -- it must be organized for constant change.


PETER SENGE:
New insights fail to get put into practice because they conflict with deeply held internal images of how the world works ... images that limit us to familiar ways of thinking and acting. That is why the discipline of managing mental models -- surfacing, testing, and improving our internal pictures of how the world works -- promises to be a major breakthrough for learning organizations.


so..basically..when there are sooo many famous people saying soo many things about change..why am i even attempting to add my 50c (inflation ka zamaana hai bhai../ns..😉 )..to their outpourings...

debate..free speech..an exchange of ideas..whether one agrees with them or not...is one of the essential platforms upon which change builds itself..if one offers an opinion..as in the case of Materinblinkers..and others...one should be in full readiness to expect a rebuttal..which Pater S will offer/offers have been made prev..but the reception to ideas that do not conform with dogmatically held ones..elicit the strangest of reactions..ghar chod ke jaana..lockdowns..of an emotional sort..among other things..using emotions/affection as a means of holding a situation hostage..in the hope that things will stay status quo...

THAT is the biggest delusion of all..!! we cannot stop things from moving than we could hold water in our bare hands..we have a platform here..lets get our thoughts to collide...what fun!! there should not be agreement, but there should be respect for a contrary opinion..and most imp..ly..be prepared..'coz there is someone else out there who is spending countless more hours on research and study..on many sources and have a lot more access to info than some of us others..and be prepared to have that opinion challenged..

This is what the world of KB shows us..esp my man high on sighs!! 😳 ..who is sincerely following the dictum of a certain M.K. Gandhi..by be..ing the change he wants to see..in the world around him..
and here..i have to say..that there will be one constant..or at least one hopes that it will stay constant (😉 ..i do so...adore him!!!!!


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Nice topic. I also watch with great interest the clash of generations and mindsets in KB, so different from the usual saas-bahu clashes (I can never watch an Ekta type serial). And of course, I have a huge crush on Abhi!
Couldn't resist adding my own favourite lines to the excellent list you have compiled...
"The old order changeth, yielding place to new, And God fulfils Himself in many ways, Lest one good custom should corrupt the world" (King Arthur in Tennyson's Morte D'Arthur).
And one on change and non-conformity being the foundation for progress, by the inimitable G B Shaw: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bana

Nice topic. I also watch with great interest the clash of generations and mindsets in KB, so different from the usual saas-bahu clashes (I can never watch an Ekta type serial). And of course, I have a huge crush on Abhi!

Couldn't resist adding my own favourite linesto the excellent list you have compiled...


<FONT size=2>"The old order changeth, yielding place to new, And God fulfils Himself in many ways, Lest one good custom should corrupt the world" (King Arthur in Tennyson's Morte D'Arthur).</FONT>


<FONT size=2>And one on change and non-conformitybeing the foundation for progress, by the inimitable G B Shaw: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."</FONT>



good ones!! yep..me hates watching those saas-bahu disasters as well..with the 25 layers of pancake ..and sleepwear saris that cause moi to break out in hives at the mere thought of donning 'em..KB is the story of a contemporary..trying to amalgamate... the old and the new...india..more in the cities/metros yes..but change does seep down..slowly..
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Posted: 16 years ago
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New insights fail to get put into practice because they conflict with deeply held internal images of how the world works ... images that limit us to familiar ways of thinking and acting. That is why the discipline of managing mental models -- surfacing, testing, and improving our internal pictures of how the world works -- promises to be a major breakthrough for learning organizations.
A major breakthrough surely not just for learning organizations - unless he means that every conceivable group is forever immersed in a learning process and hence a learning organization ... but he's dead on about having to re-examine, re-assess, reform one's perspective of the composition and workings not just of the 'world' but the universe (or as some physicists posit, a multiverse) and our place in it ....
And every confirmed Shavian (thanks Bana) resonates with the proposition of being an unreasonable 'person' (for that too needs revision) to affect change ... and this has been recognized through all ages of the brief history that defines our existence on the planet ... to quote Thakur (revised from 'Tagore') to have his country awake into a heaven of freedom -
Where tireless striving stretches it's arms towards perfection ...
Where the clear reason of thought has not lost it's way into the sands of dead habit ...
So, where did today's episode fall short ... yet more abysmal failures ... from the utterly banal to the more significant ...
The whole thing about 'Oh Pappa-ji you'll scald your hand!' ... by placing it on a cup of tea???!!!! He'd just been sipping it for cryin' out loud ... you mean in his case that raised the temperature to boiling?!! Someone needs a serious refresher course in basic physics ...
Then the whole descent into the melodramatic ... by all appearences she was persuaded by Poppa S the night before that her daughter's happiness must be paramount ... who decreed that marriage is under no circumstance to be between younger man/older woman? Nope ... sorry ... nogo ... appearances belie .. the ever familiar shroud of inertia engulfed her again ... almost wish that there would be her dead body to contend with ... how convenient that there's a bottle full of unmarked 'poison' hanging around!! Wonder if it came with the recommended 'dose' i.e. 'rapid, painless death: whole bottle', 'slow excruciating death: one teaspoon every 4 hours' ... I cannot stomach these scenes any more ... need a respite from Manju ... almost even more so than Anita ...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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😲 point to be noted M'lord..
we live in a ( somewhat make-believe)world where neighbours think nothing of barging in, pelting stones, making accusations ad nauseum about the shocking disrespect to "hamara samaj, hamari neeti, hamari parampara...GHOOR KALYUG!!!"

but society of course..is an honourable institution(and i use this word apropos)..and so are its people..all honoured men and women...

It was ok for the Mater to marry off her eldest to a man who is known for chicanery, visiting brothels,impregnating women..(spreading of his unique species..really!!)..it was also ok with said society women..knowing the proclivities of the said male..for this lovely girl to be married off to this slug..but breaking off the marriage...OHH!!! THE SIN!!!

but society of course is an honourable institution..and so are its people...all honoured men and women..

enter a young man..ernest, sincere and able to look at a person's personna rather than the outward appearance..he becomes our damsel's knight , saves her from a "fate worse than death"..and by this i mean becoming Mrs. Slug..(ugh!! 😭 ...and in this course, they fall in love..and he realizes that she is his true soulmate..his faith in her is unshakeable..he is made to jump through myriad hoops for her...and he does...all because he believes..and he says in no uncertain terms to his ladylove😍..that they cannot be happy without each other..and so he proposes to her..and she accepts..
But..HOW DARE SHE..say the purveyors of society morality..how dare she be happy..and Gasp!!Choke!! Koff!!Koff!!..with a guy 8 years her junior..how dare she expect romance and someone who loves her..when We have decreed that she should live out her life in society approved misery..

but society of course..is an honourable institution ..and so are they all..all honoured men and women.

what happened to that wonderful edict of that amazing soul Yehoshua ben Josef."let he who is without sin, cast the first stone". 👍🏼

by that logic..live your own life to the fullest..and tell them rest to STUFF IT!!!..where it fits ie.. 😉
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Posted: 16 years ago
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but society of course is an honourable institution..and so are its people...all honoured men and women..
Hear Hear!! 👏 👏
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Posted: 16 years ago
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wah wah 👏

by that logic..live your own life to the fullest..and tell them rest to STUFF IT!!!..where it fits ie.. 😉
but is it really that easy to thumb ur nose at the world and walk away unscathed?? what happens when what goes around comes around as it must ....... more important what happens to that inherent hypocrisy(is that even a right word here??) in all of us when our actions have a profound impact on those around us who we love the most??


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Posted: 16 years ago
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but is it really that easy to thumb ur nose at the world and walk away unscathed??
If you are referring to the situation on KB, then I wonder which effect is going to come around and for who? Anita? Simi? What you're saying is a tad unclear so if you could illustrate it with an example, we could have a meaningful response ...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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as i had said earlier..
you have to ultimately face yourself and be true to yourself..because that gives you the conviction to carry on in life..and make decisions that may be painful in the immediate term, but in the long term is right for everyone...that is at most times..a really tough call..

like the decision that simi made..to stand up for her happiness, for in the long run..it is the decision that will bring joy for the whole family..although in the immediate time..it is causing the family...mainly grief..

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