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Posted: 15 years ago
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"There was no new torture" ?
In the first place, there WAS new torture: when Archana lived in the Deshmukh's house she wasn't asked to file police complaints against her own family members; all the ill-treatment was aimed at her personally. Also, we know that Manjusha is pregnant, which adds to Archana's anguish.
And in the second place, is any kind of ill-treatment /abuse/ torture either justified or more bearable merely because it's been happening for a long time ?!?
What is also truly awful is that the women in this serial only seem to merit attention and care from their inlaw's families if they are pregnant. Their value as thinking and feeling human beings is entirely subordinated to their status as brood mares: Shravani gets promoted over the existing legal wife, and Manjusha's unborn child makes her suddenly newly valuable to the Karanjkars. If Archana had been pregnant, do you think Manav would have considered leaving her and marrying Shravani? Absolutely not, right? I rest my case.
No go, creatives, you're a retrograde lot,. that's for certain. Sure, we all want to believe in true love triumphing over obstacles, but we'd all also like to think that a serial has some moral responsibility towards its women characters. So far I'm afraid, your score on this front is 0 : 100.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hey wait a minute... Deshmukh family doesn't know that Manju is pregnant, right? They are asking for the villain to be punished, right?

God I dont what to say... I am not able to make head or tail of this episode... I wish I had seen it myself rather than reading the update.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I don't think Savita or Archana did anything wrong today. Savita wanted justice for her lost son. Wouldn't you want justice for someone you lost or had been injured? And Archana didn't do anything wrong either because (even though she doesn't live there) she is still married. Which means she has to put her husband's family over her own. Also, she is supporting the truth by her actions, whether it is her sister-in-law or sister, she is giving justice to all parties concerned.

From the precap, Vinod says "now Archana thinks that their family is less important than her husband's?" I understand his anger but again Archu has to put her husband's family over her own now, and neither Vinod, and Archu's parents understand this concept. Especially when they all get upset when Manju doesn't support their family .. over her mother's.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hello, hello, hello....I'm not supporting Manju for a moment, she should definitely be punished, but the question is ........ WHY must Archu - or ANY woman - put her inlaws before her parents??
Whoever thinks like that has clearly internalized all the nasty patriarchal rules women have been browbeaten into accepting for centuries. Like that awful "beti paraya dhan" concept: why "paraya", and why "dhan"? Total objectification.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I second the commentator .
Why should it be expected this righteously that Archu....a woman should put her in laws before her maayka.
Her maayka .her loving parents looked after her for so many years . Her 15 day marraige in the Deshmukh family brought her only untold misery . To this date the Deshmukhs gave her nothing byt humiliation , dowry demands and abuse .
The Deshmukhs can jolly well do their own complaints . If Archu had even two vertebrae in her backbone She wud tell Savita I am not going to do this complaint personally as my whole family will be dragged in this including my parents and poor Punni too . You go and do the complaint I will at the most testify in court that I was not tortured and all the charges r false , bas . You guys r kicking me out after 3 months and I need my maayka to go to . If my full maayka gets hostile where will I go ? Just like u guys r practical and trying to get on with ur life I too have to get on with it . And hey , what sharth and condition r u talking about , who says I can stay here only if i fulfil your condition ? I will stay here and not fulfil ur condition .......coz I have a court order on my side . Go and explain to the judge that I am not letting her stay here for my own personal condition ! You guys only will be at loss . So u see , u guys r in no position to give me any damned condition ...........if I make a single complaint I am being tortured here or that the other woman who isnt married to my hubby yet is living here , The police will take u for a ride in their station wagon . So I stay here RIGHTFULLY , whether u or Manav LIKE IT OR NOT .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@koolsadhu : I agree with you on this one. Archu needs to say this thing loudly and clearly.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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nilita it saddens me to see serials where women r held guilty for loving their maayka or being normal . If they forget maayka in one day just after one mangalsutra is ut around their neck it is supposed to be normal and they r hailed for it . They r not supposed to have any opinions and listen to atrocious conditions of their mother in laws . Had Rasika been Archus mom she wud have not listened to SAvitas righteous crap the way Sulochana quietly with dignity took it , focussing only on her daughter . I dont care what others feel about her , I love the character of Sulochana as she is very normal .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@koolsadhu: There I differ from you koolsadhu
Today was the day when I felt sulochana shudn't have kept quiet. She shud have taken Archu by the arm and shouted at Savita that the complaint was very much true... look how you are behaving with my daughter. And even I'm not interested in letting my daughter stay here. And by the way, my DIL is pregnant, so on humanitarian grounds i dont want my daughter to make the complaint
I was angry with Sulochana today. This woman rantles on when it comes to Manav... look how she called him besharam and badchalan when she came to know he had decided to marry again... completely forgetting that even she had tried to hook up Archu with Satish when she wasn't divorced. A clear case of double standards...
Today when she really needed to shout, she didn't shout. I wudn't have minded even if she had shouted on Manav today. But as soon as she goes home, she will start shouting. Arey, why behave with dignity with a person like Savita who is abusing your daughter in front of you.
I hate it that in this serial no person has constructive anger, something that i wud personally love to see. Varsha shouts at poor Satish, Manav shouts less and when he does, it fails to have any solid impact, Sulochana shouts either due to misunderstandings or doesn't shout when she needs to. Vinod was shown as a person who used to shout at his wife and so she was scared at him, but now that is gone. Damodar doesn't shout and when he does, its useless.
The two instances when I liked the anger and shouting part are:
1.) Varsha insults Savita publicly
2.) Manav blasts his Aai for calling Archu badchalan.
Now I really want to see Manav shouting, at everyone- savita, shravani, girish everyone.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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nikita
Like your thoughts about constructive anger .........precisely my own thoughts .
About Sulochana : She is one character I really like and can connect to as I see my own mother in her , I can totally understand where she comes from . To this point , in my opinion she has not once been wrong . Absolutely no one in this forum will agree to this but I do .
There r 3 instances for which she is regarded a villain
1] For slapping Manav ..........here i feel ok she cud perhaps have done without that slap but if she was justified in not trustng him , I dont think she was wrong at all ...........anyone wud do the same thing after being subjected to the uneasy observation of her daughters dicey marraige
2] For keeping the phone down rudely when Manav phoned from jail.........To her credit Manav never told her he was speaking from jail just that he was in a crisis . The earlier day he had taken his moms side and told Archu to leave the engagement party although Archu had been invited so she was miffed. No one on the forum stops o think that had Archu phoned from jail and even told she was in jail , STILL SAvita wud have banged phone down . I do not think for a moment that had Sulochana known that Manav was in jail , she wud NOT have given phone to Archu . Whatever her feelings for Manav , she is a decent woman and she wud have given the phone .
3] For not showing sufficient guilt and saying Thank you or Sorry to Manav later ......Again , after studying my own mother closely and also in general the mother species , I understand them much better now . They focus on a goal........their childrens happiness and all their actions and reactions r connected only to that goal . Sulochna has reached a conclusion after trying out the 15 day marraige of Archu which ended this way .............That Archu will never be happy in that houe with that horror story called Savita HOWMUCHEVER GOOD THE BOY HIMSELF IS . The boys good ness is never gonna be sufficient to make her daughter happy and his awful mom comes with him as a package . The boy is never gonna stay seperate . So the best thing is NOT to let Archu EVEr go back there . So inspite of being decent and knowing etiquette she doesnt bother to go and say Thank yous or Sorries as she simply doesnt want to open any channels for her daughter going back there by even raising hopes .
This practical approach is what ALL MOTHERS IN THIS WORLD WUD DO .
The double standards thing ..........I am not justifying her here but I read it diffrently . More than blaming manav for doing a second marraige , it was jumping on the opportunity , that excuse to try and brainwash her daughter who was hopelessly in love with him ...........You see , Sulochana had watched for months that Archu was deeply in love with Manav and was feeling helpless about it ........it was a thing that was not within her control , Archu was slipping away from her . First when she publicly spoke about Manav on engagement day and broke it , second she publicly spoke out in court and defied her and went to his house . Sulochana had lost and she knew it . Well what does a mother do when she loses ? Give up on her child ? No . U see , the winning and losing doesnt matter to the mother who is a strange animal ........its instincts only scream out to protect her young . And sulochna knows it in her heart that by opting for a life with Manav Archu will do the biggest mistake of her life ..........as for a few moments of so called love , she will bear years of untold misery .And so she used that chance to try and get Manav out of Archus mind .
And is she wrong , upto this point in her predictions ? Nope . In fact she is hundred percent correct . In fact Manohar was wrong .....he told her , the boy is good and that is all that matters . But she was uneasy .........her instincts told her that NO THAT ISNT TRUE..........IT IS NOT ENOUGH .
But then Manohar wasnt a mother . She was , and is right as hell .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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sorry everyone who think Archu should not complain against Manju.
I WOULD LOVE TO WATCH ARCHANA DOING IT. If Sul and Co cut off relations with Archu, it will be a bleassing in disguise for her. I am 100% sure in these 3 months of time Shravani chapter will close and ArMan will reunite. Even if that does not happen, Archana can stay in a working women hostel and lead her life the way she likes. At least she will be far away from the evil manju and her supporters (sul, vinod, Mano).

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