And the Saga Continues!! - Page 2

Originally posted by: rpmenon

SG,

Agreed it would have looked out of place if he had reprimanded her infront of Santu,but he didnt have to justify her either,in her absence to Santu.

Thats as good as saying she is right,in her own way.

Well,the dialogue writers need to smell coffee and be more alert.Thats all.

rpmenon,

I don't think he was trying to justify Moti to Santo....I think he was just telling Santo to not take anything Moti was saying to heart....think he was doing it more for Santo's benefit to make her feel better than for Moti....trying to tell her that Moti did not mean it personally but just said those things in an emotional outburst as it was Subhi's shradh and because of her closeness to Subhi....obviously he has no idea of Moti's true colors as we do, otherwise he might not have said what he did since Moti did mean it personally. I felt DM's reaction was very similar to the way Santo was trying to pacify DM after Nanaji had blasted him by telling him not to take anything Nanaji said to heart because he did not mean it personally and he just said those things because he was very upset about the divorce.

Originally posted by: Bkaur287

Respecting your elder sister is one thing and enabling her to commit horrible actions is another. I have seen 1000 times where moti ben insulted nanaji and many other people in dharampur.in the name of chhoti jaat wale..If I am a judge and I have the biggest racist in my family how does that make me look and what does that say about me?? She even insulted toral thinking that she was a chhoti jaat wali. She has pushed pulled santu a million times and verbally bashed her infront of DM and DM has seen that she is always putting Santu's name into everything bad that happens in that family. How can it be enough what DM said today? I think it was a perfect opportunity to put an end to this whole behavior MB has got going but he didnt do it. Moreover, I have seen DM talk in a different tone infront of MB and in a different tone when talking to Santu alone. To me that says that you are letting a human being get insulted just so you don't have to say a word about it and listen to MB saying that Nanka that chhoti jaat wali is more important to you.
If he is DM and the leader of justice in that town..then he should act like it.. not allow adharam in his own house while he can tell everyone how just he is.
As far as MB devoting her whole life to DM and his family. Well we all have seen why she is in this house (she ran away got pregnant with kanji had a kid and came back, who knows she couldnt get married because word got around or she thought with her behavior she cant live in another man's house anyway might as well make bro's life a hell) As I see it all the kids were going bonkers while she was doing her devotee act ( Hiten-- the nuts that he is, Maulik - the drunkard, Kaddu- the girl ready to run away from home and I bet she didnt know what was going on with birva and suraj either).. What did she do when Hiten got caught in the crime of murdering manjari (the cow) she asked maulik NOT to say anything cuz she wanted to protect her own kid while her brother's kid could go to hell.. and if DM's brain wasnt stuck in his heel wasting away he would have seen whats going on in his house.

BKaur287 - My point was that DM believes that Moti devoted her life for DM and his kids -- he obviously has no idea of Moti's past like we do, he does not know why Moti remained unmarried in DM's house, as far as he knows she did it for him and his kids and anyone would feel obligated to a sister however bad she is if he believes she gave up her own life and a chance at her own family for him....can't fault him for that. As far as Moti's parenting skills are concerned, we all know they are lacking and DM himself has pointed out her mistakes on a few occasions.

As for abusing Santo...who didin't in DM's family -- be it Moti or Maulik or Hiten or Kaddu --- yeah they are all warming up to her one by one but at one point or another all of them have abused her and held her responsible for everything that goes wrong in the house.....Hiten said so himself yesterday that he blamed her for everything that went wrong. Agreed, Moti is a bit extreme....but DM should have a put a stop to all of them not just Moti....but we all also know how little regard he had for Santo at the beginning and how much DM himself has changed during the course of the show.

As for DM not saying anything to Moti....there have been occasions in the past where I myself have wondered how DM could look on while Moti was abusing Santo, but I can't fault him for what he did in yesterday's episode. He finally did reprimand Moti for her abuse and I did not expect him to go from saying nothing to Moti to blasting her in front of Santo and throwing her out of the house. I think for the first time, it was enough and it had the desired effect on Moti - because he did side with Santo against Moti and if Moti's expression was anything to go by, his reaction hit it's mark. Fot that matter, I don't think he is ever going to throw Moti out of his house even once he finds out about Maulik....in traditional joint families, don't think thats how its done....she might forever lose his esteem but I don't think he is ever going to show her the door. Also, in traditional joint families that I have seen, men generally have to keep a balance between the wife and the mother(or older sister in this case) and to maintain peace they do not side with one against the other but try to pacify them both in order to keep peace.....and to add to that in this case, Santo was his unwanted bride in the beginning for whom he had little regard and Moti his esteemed sister.....he is just lucky that Santo is his wife and not some b****y female, otherwise he would have his work cut out for him trying to keep peace between his wife and sister.

SG,

I don't care what DM believes what Moti did for him and I don't care what his feelings are towards Motiben but DM is supposed to be the Maibaap as we call it in Dharampur .Everything is done according to him and every decision is taken according to him. We have seen DM exercise his authority and justice in that town and we have seen in numerous instances where DM has sided with the poor for the sake for justice. Such as in the beginning when he made union leader pay as he had defrauded madho kaka.. we have also seen DM reprimand (as in publicly severely criticitizing) the man who hit his wife..and then feel bad that he held santo's arm hard enough to cause a bruise.. Then Why he doesnt say anything to motiben for publicly insulting people of chhoti jaati and someone in the family which is santu. Also DM was ready to give hiten the death penalty for accidently killing manjari and all for the sake of justice that justice must be upheld at all costs and that justice is bigger than my kin and my relatives because its a responsibility and it serves as a beacon of hope to the people living in dharampur. We all know how he loves subhadra and her memory and how he wants to keep it alive BUT he doesn't care what the principles she believed in and those should be followed in the house too. She didn't hate anyone of chhoti jaati people she loved everyone equally and if he cannot love them atleast protect people as a father and leader and king of justice, that includes everyone in the family not just MEHMAAN! I have yet to see DM reprimanding I mean really reprimanding MB for anything that she has done. I agree that everyone has been mean to santu in that house but Motiben is the only one looking for new ways to humiliate santu infront of DM and DM knows it he has seen it. The first two times he said to Motiben to research her facts before she says anything and if that happens then he would deal with her as Dharamraj mahiyavanshi but where is that good promise. If he was shown consistent to his character then this should have been taken care of.. Tarulata complained so many times after that and even after finding that its motiben's fault and no obvious fault of Santu I didn;t see DM telling Taru to stop this nonsense.. I just want to know why this chiraag tale andhera...("Just below the lantern - lies the darkness".)
I would have had no problem with this behavior if he changed his name from DharamRAJ Mahiyavanshi to Taru ka Memna.. I don't want him to throw mb out of the house but this behavior is just facilitating her bad behavior because she feels she can do anything and the king of dharampur is on her side she can get away with murder. If a married girl's mother in law makes her life miserable then its the husband responsibility to save her and side with her when she isnt wrong agreed DM is never going to do that because he doesn't feel Santu is his wife. BUT she is living in their house and she is cleaning up the crap that Motiben has not tended to in so many years aka the kids going berserk even then I didn't see DM siding with santu even once...I can justify DM's light scolding in the beginning but when a behavior exists after a few times and its seemingly a habit then Dharamraj needs to address properly.
I think the main problem is that we think since its joint family then its all ghar ka mamla and things can drag on for years this way but problems are like diseases they are best dealt with when nipped in the bud. Men Owe it as a responsibility in traditional joint families as heads of the family to make sure all the rights of Happiness in family are enjoyed by everyone in it. and DM has Double the responsibility since he is the head of the family and the justice man in the town. If some behavior keeps happening over and over then it is dealt with firmly and adequately to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future. The kids behavior can be attributed to their respective ages but NOT tarulata as the female who handles all the operations of the mahiyavanshi house.
Dm is not doing his job as an effective and just leader and not fulfilling his responsility.

I am not going to justify DM's behavior at the beginning of the show because we all know his treatment of Santo was wrong, whatever his justification....but he has come a long way since then to the extent that he is actually putting what he thinks is best thing for her before what he wants....as we saw today that he is letting her go because he thinks that is the best thing for her even though I don't beleive he really wants to.

But I would reiterate again that I don't think he could have berated Moti any more than he did in yesterday's episode. I mean he contradicted Moti, pretty much told her she had no business insulting Santo, told her to make sure Santo is given respect in the house, told her to let Santo do the preparations for Subhi's shradh even though Moti wanted to do it and sent her on her way by asking her to get a list of the things needed....I am not sure what else he should have done. Was he expected to have screamed at her and called her names....don't think he would do that and my reason is the same....because of his respect for her as his elder sister and his feelings of obligation to her. And I don't really know what purpose it would have served except to give some of us satisfaction, the outcome would have been the same. Would someone who has been brought up to respect his/her elders have screamed at them and called them names even if they were wrong, I think not.....he/she would try to explain to them politely why he/she thinks they are wrong but would not be disrespectful....I know I wouldn't. And these days, I think DM is hardly behaving as a maalik, I think he is behaving as a normal family man would when faced with something as distressing as a divorce with his emotions in a turmoil.