"Mein" (ARY Digital) - Ayeza Khan, Wahaj Ali #4 [DT Note Pg 132] - Page 44

Originally posted by: tgota92

Yep. This is exactly the vibe I get from it too. Especially those who have listened to it from episode 1 and tried to make sense of it from Zaid’s pov, Ayra definitely fits the bill in the ost too 👍 He’s been after that girl like crazy and she’s turned him down so many times

So up till now I’ve been listening to the ost as MJ being in love with Zaid and Zaid being in love with Ayra. Makes sense too

Exactly. He was rejected by MJ. He moved on & found Ayra. But eventually Ayra also turned out to be namesake. This interpretation also makes sense I feel.

Ost from MJ's pov? Uhhmm! I can't relate to it. To me Idk it just looks from Zaid's pov. I can be wrong

Originally posted by: arfanazneen

This debate about polygamy. I think nobody likes polygamy naturally. Also this misconception that it's acceptable in Muslim culture is so..

There's difference between religion and culture. Yes, religiously it is permitted to have 4 wives. But there are conditions. You have to do justice. Example: If you bring an apple for one wife you have to bring same apple for another one. Obviously who you love more is not in your hands but justice you have to. Hence it is damn difficult to actually achieve that. Religiously he is obligated to sleep with both.

But obviously we have personal preferences and personal ethics/morals where we have imitations. We can't accept certain things despite them being approved. But if someone has no problem with it bcz it is religiously permitted then can't really comment.

Despite 2nd marriage being permitted in the religion, people really look down on that person if he has 2 wives. So bcz culturally few things don't look good, people look down.. Same goes for divorce, marrying a divorcee or widow/widower.

True. No one likes polygamy.This must be the first time a woman refuses to marry a divorcee and chooses polygamy instead. There itself the script is heavily against Ayra. She's the one who started this concept nobody likes ...and that's why this drama is still accepted. Yes it's about who he will choose - the wife he rejected or the wife he chose? It's again not pitting two women against each other like usual dramas....and the one who has the choice can't even have a choice because he has promised both he won't divorce them....then it becomes a battle between the two...not if one wife leaves him so he doesn't suffer. It's not like the usual polygamy plot because like we discussed earlier...Ayra was not his mohabbat...Ayra was his Zidd...his mein to prove his choice was right.

Just watched SH review of Mein. Suddenly Hasan said I know we have been criticising Wahaj but it's bcz we couldn't relate to Zaid & he was praising him. But they were like for playing Zaid, totally Wahaj is responsible. Doesn't look like there's any input or improvisation from Wahaj. But I totally disagree. I think Wahaj is doing a great job as Zaid. Zaid naturally doesn't have much to do in his character so he can't go overboard. Zaid's character itself is that way..

Also I don't understand how stupid Aamna is. She again keeps on telling Wahaj is to blame for choosing bad dramas after TB. Hasan said ke but all other were before TB and Mein is the only one after TB. Phir b she was like but watch toh ab hai. I mean how stupid. Waise looks like Hasan read all the criticism and finally understood the common sense point that Wahaj had done all other projects before TB was a huge success and it was just a coincidence that all those came together

Agreed. They somehow managed to make the second marriage acceptable to the audience but still questionable in terms of “was it the right decision by all?” Because it wasn’t - Ayra was no longer the same person and Ayra would have carried the trauma and baggage of what Asif did to her family forever. Which would always have impacted her relationship with Zaid. Like she said she has two personalities now - one who loves Zaid and one who still has to heal and forgive but can’t because she sees her triggers on a daily basis - face to face. The Ayra Zaid story on its own is actually pretty tragic already. The first time around it would have worked had Asif accepted this middle class girl and cared about his son’s happiness but he didn’t. The second time it would have worked as well if Ayra had agreed to live separately with Zaid without wanting Asif to come with the formal proposal. It would have worked in that scenario.

But now? Being around Asif? Never. There’s no chance. So she picked her own doom in a way, perhaps feeling she might overcome her trauma but she is unable to do so obviously. Her outbursts and helplessness is depicted really well so it’s easy to see the conflict. I’ll say it again, Ayra is the best written character on paper - Zanjabeel spent time on this girl and her story and how her breakdown is gradually happening - if anything is lacking it’s Azeekah’s performance. She has her ups and downs playing her and it’s not consistent. Had anyone else played Ayra, it would have been an amazing one to see for sure. So much scope to perform in this character.

I also differ about Ayra not being Zaid’s “mohabbat.” I don’t think the concept of love in this show is very linear. Or black and white. The lines are blurry if anything. Zaid can absolutely have a thing for MJ in the past, move on, and fall in love again. And while being in love, have realistic ups and downs. The show has made Ayra and Zaid very vocal and direct about their state of mind regarding their relationship. When her heart feels dead, she tells him so. When she’s healing and learning to love him again, she says it back to him. Same goes for Zaid. I believe him when he says he’s more in guilt than love. But then I also believe him when he says I love you to Ayra. I like this honesty in their dynamic because it’s extremely realistic. You can overcome hurdles and differences and feel like one again after going through so much. So I enjoy the way their love evolved given their changing circumstances.

No matter what Zaid felt about MJ in the past, at the moment Ayra is the most important person for him. He can absolutely love Ayra now but also fall for MJ later on. One kind of love doesn’t have to be negated to make the other one sound better/truer 🤷‍♀️ The heart is more complex than that.

Originally posted by: tgota92

That ost was again, so bizarre. Because you had such wholesome scenes of saad and maheer bonding in the ost - cycling, laughing on the swing, so cute. But then just pain and suffering in the actual show 🤦🏻‍♀️

and since when was saad a painter ? Lol

Sometimes osts are just osts and make no connection to the drama. I think something similar happened with Mein too. The tone and vibe is just poles apart

That’s why the lyrics will always make more sense than the video. Because that has to be played in the actual show so it has to flow there too. I have to say Mein’s OST does elevate the scenes a lot. It’s quite good and fits both pairings 👍

At this point episodes aren't connected to story how do I connect OST to it?

I am watching and figuring out how we are supposed to like MJ despite her extreme wrongdoings including helping a rapist over his victim, I feel nothing but disgust whenever she is on screen which I control thinking that the scene was added for sake of it and has nothing to do with the storyline anymore. This is not some innocuous drama between two law abiding citizens who are grey, MJ is legit dark character and her darkness isn't even justified by putting it in a mafia setting where people up against her are darker than her. A warrior killing people is not as same as a businessman killing people

Originally posted by: tgota92

Agreed. They somehow managed to make the second marriage acceptable to the audience but still questionable in terms of “was it the right decision by all?” Because it wasn’t - Ayra was no longer the same person and Ayra would have carried the trauma and baggage of what Asif did to her family forever. Which would always have impacted her relationship with Zaid. Like she said she has two personalities now - one who loves Zaid and one who still has to heal and forgive but can’t because she sees her triggers on a daily basis - face to face. The Ayra Zaid story on its own is actually pretty tragic already. The first time around it would have worked had Asif accepted this middle class girl and cared about his son’s happiness but he didn’t. The second time it would have worked as well if Ayra had agreed to live separately with Zaid without wanting Asif to come with the formal proposal. It would have worked in that scenario.

But now? Being around Asif? Never. There’s no chance. So she picked her own doom in a way, perhaps feeling she might overcome her trauma but she is unable to do so obviously. Her outbursts and helplessness is depicted really well so it’s easy to see the conflict. I’ll say it again, Ayra is the best written character on paper - Zanjabeel spent time on this girl and her story and how her breakdown is gradually happening - if anything is lacking it’s Azeekah’s performance. She has her ups and downs playing her and it’s not consistent. Had anyone else played Ayra, it would have been an amazing one to see for sure. So much scope to perform in this character.

I also differ about Ayra not being Zaid’s “mohabbat.” I don’t think the concept of love in this show is very linear. Or black and white. The lines are blurry if anything. Zaid can absolutely have a thing for MJ in the past, move on, and fall in love again. And while being in love, have realistic ups and downs. The show has made Ayra and Zaid very vocal and direct about their state of mind regarding their relationship. When her heart feels dead, she tells him so. When she’s healing and learning to love him again, she says it back to him. Same goes for Zaid. I believe him when he says he’s more in guilt than love. But then I also believe him when he says I love you to Ayra. I like this honesty in their dynamic because it’s extremely realistic. You can overcome hurdles and differences and feel like one again after going through so much. So I enjoy the way their love evolved given their changing circumstances.

No matter what Zaid felt about MJ in the past, at the moment Ayra is the most important person for him. He can absolutely love Ayra now but also fall for MJ later on. One kind of love doesn’t have to be negated to make the other one sound better/truer 🤷‍♀️ The heart is more complex than that.

What Ayra should have thought is which man would want to court the unpopular concept of polygamy. She forced him to go ahead with it which was the lowest point in the drama for me, honestly. It put so many things about Ayra in perspective. What is I love you? It's just a line. If you really loved someone you'd know not to hurt them...by rejecting him, choosing to force polygamy on him, insisting on working for a rival, not understanding your partner losing...where's Ayra's love in this show?

I don't think it would have worked if Ayra had agreed to marry Zaid without her condition of involving Asif in it because there was a showdown between Zaid and Asif where Zaid calls Asif a criminal and holds him responsible for death of Ayra's brother. Asif is a criminal has been established in the drama by Zaid and what does he do next? He goes to Asif and asks for permission to marry Ayra, why would he do that? Zaid living away from his family is not a possibility because 1) The drama is there 2) He accepted his father with all the crimes he has committed

Now, the closure of this drama will tell me what was the writer trying to portray?

Should we forgive criminals like Asif because they are family? Why is everyone advising Ayra to make a place in his heart? Would anyone be nice to their abuser? Would anyone be nice to people who have history like Asif?

The basic need of civilization is justice, evrything you have around you comes down to justice in every setting

Or you take a realistic approach to it and say that it is not possible to fight against rich and powerful and come out victorious, it is sad but it is true. One person bringing down an empire is a fictional tale, it comes from your sense of love for hope and justice but the world doesn't work like it. Even in this approach you accept that justice didn't happen but you know that something wrong was done

Coming to this drama, I have seen complete disregard and casual mention of crimes and criminals. A crime like rape is mentioned where a businessman's son takes advantage of his maid, it makes it to media and another businessman's daughter helps him by asking her vlogger friends to make videos in his favour so what about the victim? What happened to her? Am I not supposed to feel bad for a woman who had to suffer because this man had a friend like Mubashira?

People committing crimes then paying for it then being accepted by the masses is understood but an individual committing crimes and people accepting those crimes as a part of their quirks is something I don't understand but I have seen it in real life. I have seen people supporting criminals, there are so many cases where you'd wonder "Why" then you understand that attachment makes one let go of a lot of wrong deeds.

Zaid has accepted his father's crimes as a part of him, his attachment to his father took him back to him the next day.

Azekah can emote but some procedure on her lips has made it difficult for her to move them and say her dialogues so it comes out robotic without any feelings. She is good when she doesn't have dialogues

Originally posted by: chicksoup

What Ayra should have thought is which man would want to court the unpopular concept of polygamy. She forced him to go ahead with it which was the lowest point in the drama for me, honestly. It put so many things about Ayra in perspective. What is I love you? It's just a line. If you really loved someone you'd know not to hurt them...by rejecting him, choosing to force polygamy on him, insisting on working for a rival, not understanding your partner losing...where's Ayra's love in this show?

She’s letting the second personality win na. It’s her downfall made by her own choices. She chooses wrong every time because her actions are dictated by revenge and not love anymore. First time she listens to bhabhi’s good advice. Second time she doesn’t. She tries to overcome her feelings by keeping busy, distracting herself, becoming a workaholic - but even that win is taken from her and she’s back to square one. Alone with her thoughts with just Asif in the house.

I know you think it’s because she doesn’t *love* Zaid that she does this but the writer has given her a backstory and trauma as an evolving factor for a reason. Her love for Zaid is losing against her past trauma. And she’s letting it 🤷‍♀️ Despite multiple people begging her not to do this to herself. Love and revenge aren’t mutually exclusive. One is taking precedence and she’s made that choice herself.

She’s a tragic character through and through. Look how irrational her choices are now. What is her goal? There’s no logical goal in this mess she’s created. This is a person who is acting out of desperation and is self destroying. In her foolishness she’s given Asif the perfect excuse to annihilate her

You’re right but I don’t think the writer will leave Asif at least unpunished at the end of this. So let’s see. MJ also might come clean to Zaid. Who knows. Which is why the closure episodes need to be done justice and not rushed. Too many problematic themes are at stake here lol