"Mein" (ARY Digital) - Ayeza Khan, Wahaj Ali #3 - Page 52

Originally posted by: SwatiSingh79

Independence doesnt mean seclusion, having an identity doesn't mean you are not a part of someone's life. Kashmala took a stand for herself, who said she isn't an independent woman? She was abused by Mubashira and refused to go back home without an apology, the woman has much more agency than Mubashira, Mubashira's worth is limited to her designer clothes

You have to watch the episode again, he called Ayra and Ayra told him that it'll take her 3-4 hours, he should sleep, she'll come back in company's car but he went to pick her up anyway, she didn't ask him to come to her office

https://youtu.be/d9V5qgG7ouQ?si=iD7VOak1m0_vbuP9

If he can go on business trips and not come home at night, shouldn't he respect his wife's work? Even if he was mad, is sleeping in Mubashira's room to show that her actions will have such reactions, right? Come on.

Ayra will use the harassment to guilt trip Zaid? Like the act in itself isnt wrong enough, I am sorry I get your view point, I won't bother you anymore because you didn't give me your view point on Zaid hanging out with the man whom his wife accused of harassment. Women are blamed so it isn't much different here

She said 1-2 hours then said 2 to 3 hrs, told him not to come, him being the caring husband insisted he'll pick her up and she said ok then we will meet. He came after 3 hours, he should have called- but he was feeling picked out by his dad and needed her company and wanted to spend time with her. That's his requirement from this marriage. If she can't complete it she has no business staying married to him.

Likewise, she wants to work late in night and feel her self worth, but Zaid doesn't get it. If he thinks his need is greater than hers, he has no business staying married to her.

He went to Mub room because he started liking her for some time and nowhere he has said he won't sleep with her. He pacified Ayra saying only contract, but now he developed feelings and if biwi number 1 is available for chit chat, he will go there ...if Ayra can't take biwi number one she herself chose, she should leave Zaid instead of clinging on to him na.

Nobody is a blind fan here to blame a woman in harassment case- you yourself actually suggested she didn't call him because she knows he won't take action. So I was thinking actually your thoughts align with Ayra more so may be Ayra might think like you did. She might very well say she didn't call Zaid because he's useless ..and of course it will send him on guilt trip. Point is she should leave the second she feels this man cannot protect her. There's no point. It's useless clinging on.

Originally posted by: arfanazneen

Hmm! The way he looks at her is romantic but he won't accept it so.. I think he has an idea that MJ likes him but... I am 99% sure we will be disappointed with Monday's episode. Nothing is going to progress I am telling you..

Phir bhi we will watch na ..❤️🤭

I was actually thinking up the dialogues 😉

MJ: Sab kuchh kitna khoobsurat haina

Z: Mein yeh sab kuchh pehli baar nahi dekh Raha hoon.

MJ: What did you mean by that? You've been here before? With Ayra?

Z: Silence for a few minutes...koi khaaz tha...

MJ : monologue ( God! Kitne love stories hai iske? Khatam hi nahi hota! Mujhe isise attracted hona tha! Face palm!)

Achha ...tha....?

Z: (Sad ).. tha ...

Rest all Ayra scenes for Ayra fans. 👍🤭

Originally posted by: SwatiSingh79

Who'd mind someone being an independent woman? I definitely don't want her to be like Mubashira, even if I remove her list of crimes, this woman is going so low for approval of a man instead of working on herself not caring about how society perceives her or divorced women, peddling the biases against divorced women and working women.

Like the scene, where Ayra was working late and she told Zaid not to come to her office as she'll be late but he still went anyway then got mad at her for not coming home with him, to punish her for working late, he visited Mubashira's room and Mubashira was showing him off as a prize she has won because she is always available for Zaid as she has no ambitions and father is rich

A woman working late is creating this response from these two people, so tell me what should Ayra do now that her husband is not even in the country won't return home for the night? Should see seek another man to sleep with, would Zaid see her sleeping in some other man's room as a befitting reaction of his actions of hiding this trip from her?

The degree of harassment is not the big picture here, as you said the writing of this drama is better and you can see it in juxtaposition of scenes. Ayra was harassed by Zaid's brother in-law, Pakistani dramas don't always present scenes in a manner where such things are detailed, Zaid brushed it off as nothing and he was fine hanging out with his brother in law, what does his brother in law get from this? He feels Ayra hasn't informed Zaid or Zaid doesn't care that his wife was approached by him so what he does? The next day, his brother in law comes to his house and this time his attempts are even more vigorous, blocking Ayra's path and taking sip of her coffee.

Then we have scene after it where an officer is standing next to Mubashira in car, did traffic officer even do what Zaid's brother in law did to Ayra in his first attempt? Do you not see the difference between Zaid's reaction to both cases? Both scenes were placed next to each other, one attempt was nipped at the bud and another allowed to grow. I am not a shipper who'd "Ooh or Aah" over possibility of this spineless man not caring about harassment Ayra faces because he is in love with Mubashira now so none misbehaves with Mubashira while anyone can do anything with Ayra.

There is difference in Ayra's demeanor too, when first time Zaid's brother in law approached her she was confident and rebuked him, made him run away from the spot, she was scared too because who wouldn't be, and confided in her husband, what did her husband do? Did he help her in any manner? No. He asked her to hide it and the result is an Ayra who is afraid of Zaid's brother in law and didn't confide in Zaid this time because she knows he wouldn't help her.

The 2nd episode wouldn't have taken place if Zaid had handled it, it is not about needing a man's help, my father protects me till this date so does my brother, I feel safe when they are around me. Ayra has none in that house, she felt closer to the house help who came to ask her what she wants to eat than Zaid at this point.

Again the issue is Ayra working for the rival company and putting more time and energy there than her marriage. I think he also took offence to her worrying about how bad it would look if he was waiting outside her company but is unbothered by how it makes him look that his own wife is working for the competitors. He’s constantly fighting for her but it feels like she’s throwing him under the bus. Like Zaid said, it’s weakening his position. On top of that, she has terrible communication and is notorious at ignoring his calls. Maybe some proper lines from Zaid would clarify this. He did say Ayra when she asked him out for lunch after to think it over, he didn’t want her to offend her bosses.

As for the Rayyan thing, we need to see what happens. Is Zaid sitting on it figuring out what to do. I didn’t find what Rayyan did the first time particularly dangerous. Very annoying, creepy and disgusting yes but not threatening. Now he is getting bolder and it does seem like it’s leading up to something. The situation is complicated there, Rayyan is married to his sister who is also pregnant. The situation with the cop happened in front of him and there is no relation to the cop. They did place the scenes side by side for a reason? I don’t know. Also Zaid didn’t tell Ayra not tell anyone. He told her not to say anything to his dad for now. I get that because he realizes there is no way he would side with Ayra in this situation. Zaid is also very preoccupied with Ayra’s other issues at the moment so let’s see how this plays out. He’s always jumped into protecting Ayra so it wouldn’t be in character for him to not do it this time.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Phir bhi we will watch na ..❤️🤭

I was actually thinking up the dialogues 😉

MJ: Sab kuchh kitna khoobsurat haina

Z: Mein yeh sab kuchh pehli baar nahi dekh Raha hoon.

MJ: What did you mean by that? You've been here before? With Ayra?

Z: Silence for a few minutes...koi khaaz tha...

MJ : monologue ( God! Kitne love stories hai iske? Khatam hi nahi hota! Mujhe isise attracted hona tha! Face palm!)

Achha ...tha....?

Z: (Sad ).. tha ...

Rest all Ayra scenes for Ayra fans. 👍🤭

😂😂😂😂😂

Yes I know we will still watch. Kya karein..

Your dialogues😂😂😂🤣🤣

Well! After she says Maan kyun nai lete ke tumhe mere saat rehna acha lagta hai, Zaid will be quiet & then they'll be interrupted bcz they have to go to the meeting.. Bas 🤭

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

I feel like you’re oversimplifying the issue that Zaid had with Ayra. Yes he is someone who wants attention but to be fair, he was pretty much doing whatever it is that she wanted. The issue was also her working with the competitor’s company. Forget Asif and Mubashira, that is literally Zaid’s competitor. He left his home for her so I don’t think it’s too much to ask for her not to work for his direct competition. Really who does that? The biggest problem with all of this is that she chose to be in this situation. Zaid was already left his home, family and was ready to divorce MJ. Ayra said it made no difference to her whether or not he divorced her but she needed his father’s acceptance. There are a ton of strings attached with that. She was aware of how difficult it was for Zaid to get a job and he had to resort to working with the competitor. Didn’t she realize she would have the same challenge? If she had such a problem with MJ to the point that she can’t work at the same place as her than why place this condition that essentially kept Zaid married to her? Who cares that MJ has shares in the company. What difference does this make? She was always the boss’s daughter and Ayra knew this.

Again the issue is Ayra working for the rival company and putting more time and energy there than her marriage. I think he also took offence to her worrying about how bad it would look if he was waiting outside her company but is unbothered by how it makes him look that his own wife is working for the competitors. He’s constantly fighting for her but it feels like she’s throwing him under the bus. Like Zaid said, it’s weakening his position. On top of that, she has terrible communication and is notorious at ignoring his calls. Maybe some proper lines from Zaid would clarify this. He did say Ayra when she asked him out for lunch after to think it over, he didn’t want her to offend her bosses.

As for the Rayyan thing, we need to see what happens. Is Zaid sitting on it figuring out what to do. I didn’t find what Rayyan did the first time particularly dangerous. Very annoying, creepy and disgusting yes but not threatening. Now he is getting bolder and it does seem like it’s leading up to something. The situation is complicated there, Rayyan is married to his sister who is also pregnant. The situation with the cop happened in front of him and there is no relation to the cop. They did place the scenes side by side for a reason? I don’t know. Also Zaid didn’t tell Ayra not tell anyone. He told her not to say anything to his dad for now. I get that because he realizes there is no way he would side with Ayra in this situation. Zaid is also very preoccupied with Ayra’s other issues at the moment so let’s see how this plays out. He’s always jumped into protecting Ayra so it wouldn’t be in character for him to not do it this time.

My understanding was that Ayra asked him to get his father's approval because she was consumed by the trauma of her brother's death, she was being harassed for months, there was a lot of mental, physical and financial strain around her then she lost the only living relation to her. Writer explored Mubashira's trauma associated with her mother leaving her but even Zaid doesn't have his mother and Ayra didn't have anyone, Zaid and Ayra's issues aren't spelled out by a psychiatrists so we have to put our own thoughts into it and how much of it is going into the character, is something none can tell, ultimately all this is guess work based on our interaction with characters, we are not discussing anything with the writer to know that our analysis is correct, so I am not over simplifying it.

I don't hate Zaid like Ayra's actions his actions aren't immoral or criminal, both characters are flawed but they didn't compromise on their morals. Zaid's father asked him to get information from Ayra and Zaid refused, that shows his integrity and similarly, Ayra didn't want Zaid in the office that shows her integrity. These two characters have similar approach towards life. Asif and Mubashira have similar approach towards life

My issue with Zaid is only that he didn't do anything when she complained about his brother in law, if RJ is his brother in law then Ayra is his wife, how can his response be so casual and how can he hang out with him like nothing happened?

Ayra didn't have problems with Mubashira, she clearly can see through Mubashira's planning and plotting, she told as much to Zaid and then she heard Asif and Mubashira talking about Mubashira joining the company to put down Ayra, she joined Zaid's rival company after knowing that Mubashira is actually plotting against her

And she told Zaid that she wants another house and zaid was upset over it, it tells you that Zaid wouldn't have been happy without his family, he was happy when she relinquished her demand of house

https://youtu.be/SRO3YrUZExU?si=h3tsYsB4rxFwuqFd

I get Zaid is upset over her working for his rivals but what he doesn't understand is that he too is working with her rivals, difference is that Fakkhar group isn't doing unlawful practices to harm Zaid like Mubashira and Asif are doing with Ayra. If it was Ayra's story, I'd say I want them to sort out their issues but since they didn't care enough to put her on the poster, my only expectation at this point is seeing her take revenge for her brother's death and all the wrong things which Mubashira and Asif have done to her. It is not a love story so who ends up with whom is something I don't care about, it is more a social drama, will rich and powerful win?

I think one thing that ayra supporter or fans need to understand why there are so many zaid mubashira shippers wanting them to be the endgame is because we were frigging promised that the show would be about them, their ego clashes, their love story, their marriage and themselves...

We signed up this show inspite of knowing that the leads have grey personalities, selfish motives and that their action wont be morally right..we wanted to see two imperfect personalities falling in love overcoming their MEIN and be together..

We weren't even given a slightest hint that ayra would be having sucha huge role in drama...so when we are finally getting something to see something we tuned into ie seeing mj zaid falling in love obv we'd be happy seeing it🤷‍♀️ and wouldn't want any third angle to ruin it although she has already ruined their relationship..

Have you read the synopsis on the ARY site? It is written as a love story, no doubt.

If you are genuinely trying to find answers... remember situations are dynamic here. Nothing is static, unlike in Kash story. She stayed silent throughout and didn't react... finally her only reaction was that she'd go with her self respect more than anything.

Ayra should have gone through an analysis like that and either agreed to Zaid minus his family status and 5 Cr for bhaabhi or just gone to that place which was best for independent woman like her. Zaid was married and she could take him divorced. She definitely didn't choose Zaid's family FOR HIM....She needed Zaid with family.

There was a dialogue she said to Zaid reg being born poor and choosing poverty....no one here has told me what exactly she said. May be you can clarify it.

Her reasons to choose a married Zaid was certainly not in his best interests....no independent woman would choose that for herself or her husband. That's a big No she has started a relationship with...so there's not much bargaining she can do.

She chose this family, so she has to stay by their rules. She had option not to choose it.

Now the dynamic part....her demand made Zaid do a wretched thing - he blackmailed his wife into accepting a second wife....it's a huge crime he has done to Mubashira, because she was not aware he was forced into this....and she extracted a promise from him in return....he has given his word, because she supposedly gave him his supposed love...now both Ayra and Zaid have wronged MJ in this story. ...all these have to be kept in mind while watching the story and interpreting the characters.

Wrong tag🤭

Also if Fakhar group is lawful and Zaid is working for his dad, Ayra wants to work only lawfully should just leave Zaid or tell Zaid to leave dad's unlawful company. Why does she not do that? He was working for Fakhar when she made him quit and join his dad back...it makes no sense.

She asked for a separate house- when she realised she can't boss over Mubashira like she did on day 1. That's plain running away ..by then Zaid has lost his best job offer with Fakhar which will not be offered to him again- in fact the guy called him out when Ayra went to him for work ...she left Zaid with no choice. Fakhr was his brainwave when his dad used his contacts to cancel all his chances, so now he's such with dad's company...and Ayra never wants him to leave the company, just the house. He can't demand that since he came on certain terms of reconciliation, plus his word matters to him....and yes, he will miss his family too. But that's last since he has left family for his self respect before this.

He even stood tall to tell Jafar to convey to his dad that he can survive as just Zaid and doesn't need the Asif surname.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Have you read the synopsis on the ARY site? It is written as a love story, no doubt.

If you are genuinely trying to find answers... remember situations are dynamic here. Nothing is static, unlike in Kash story. She stayed silent throughout and didn't react... finally her only reaction was that she'd go with her self respect more than anything.

Ayra should have gone through an analysis like that and either agreed to Zaid minus his family status and 5 Cr for bhaabhi or just gone to that place which was best for independent woman like her. Zaid was married and she could take him divorced. She definitely didn't choose Zaid's family FOR HIM....She needed Zaid with family.

There was a dialogue she said to Zaid reg being born poor and choosing poverty....no one here has told me what exactly she said. May be you can clarify it.

Her reasons to choose a married Zaid was certainly not in his best interests....no independent woman would choose that for herself or her husband. That's a big No she has started a relationship with...so there's not much bargaining she can do.

She chose this family, so she has to stay by their rules. She had option not to choose it.

Now the dynamic part....her demand made Zaid do a wretched thing - he blackmailed his wife into accepting a second wife....it's a huge crime he has done to Mubashira, because she was not aware he was forced into this....and she extracted a promise from him in return....he has given his word, because she supposedly gave him his supposed love...now both Ayra and Zaid have wronged MJ in this story. ...all these have to be kept in mind while watching the story and interpreting the characters.

I already said that she was consumed by loss of her brother, they were completing rituals associated with his last rites when Zaid kept going to her house, she said she is moving to some other city, if she was interested in his money and status as you want to present, she wouldn't have spoken with her bhabhi about moving to other city. It was her bhabhi who convinced her to marry zaid and she put forward the condition to, get some semblance of justice for her brother's death. You are forgetting episodes after episodes where Zaid kept going to Ayra's house and she kept asking him to leave?

Are you talking about her dialogue "Halaat ke hathon gareeb hona galat nahi but halaat ke hathon khudko Ghulam banana sabse badi maut hai"?

Ayra askes Zaid to get his father's approval for marriage, what he did with Mubashira or how he forced her is his own doing, she had no hand in it and till date, doesn't know that Zaid did it, also it is not a crime. Ayra has not wronged Mubashira in any manner

Replying to your second post -

am sorry but you are not understanding what I wrote, I didn't say Zaid's company is unlawful or whatever, I said the company is Zaid's rival similarly Mubashira and Asif are Ayra's rivals, she heard them plan against her but the difference is that Fakkhar group didn't use unlawful practices to acquire contract, Mubashira did it, Zaid's company is not responsible for Mubashira's crimes

You do realize that Mubashira implicated Ayra in something for which Fakkhar threatened her with legal consequences, that's the unlawful practice, blackmailing was also an unlawful practice, helping a rapist over his victim, I don't even know how there is support for her after this but what to do, she has good clothes

https://youtu.be/gVO8bPP8FBM?si=mBfQ2oJJXdu8J8zq

When Zaid joined Fakkhar group, he told Ayra that he knows they are his rivals but he treated him with respect and he thinks people should work where they are respected and Ayra agreed with him so tell me why would Ayra after hearing that Mubashira joined company to put her down work there? Wouldn't she work where she is respected?