"Mein" (ARY Digital) - Ayeza Khan, Wahaj Ali #3 - Page 51

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Haya partly ruined Murtasim for me. I can't tolerate that...when I think of how he agreed to marry her...my blood boils. Such a worthless character.

Characters are much better written in mein any day for me. I loved the chemistry in TB, but story is far better in mein... chemistry is great too.

Tb is just a mixture of Indian shows..nooran wanted to show separation like itv but didnt knew how to execute it and hence the whole mr fiasco and murtu agreeing to marry haya

Murtasim atleast had some substance but meerab was such an unlikable character like ayra

Mein also had great potential but I would have been more happy with the show if they had focused more on zaid mj love story buildup, and wish they had more scenes together also I'm sad that very less scope has been given to the ml..After tb blew up I wish they had made some changes to zaids character and had increased his ss..

Originally posted by: Rashi23

Tb is just a mixture of Indian shows..nooran wanted to show separation like itv but didnt knew how to execute it and hence the whole mr fiasco and murtu agreeing to marry haya

Murtasim atleast had some substance but meerab was such an unlikable character like ayra

Mein also had great potential but I would have been more happy with the show if they had focused more on zaid mj love story buildup, and wish they had more scenes together also I'm sad that very less scope has been given to the ml..After tb blew up I wish they had made some changes to zaids character and had increased his ss..

TB had great chemistry and it was a fairytale. Such an impossible story! 🤭 Yeah but irresistible chemistry in all possible scenarios...like you said mixture. .

Originally posted by: chicksoup

If that's how you have interpreted Zaid, you will be fine with Ayra being the independent woman...chalo good.

When it comes to harassment... there was no physical harassment and yes, often that's how ppl neglect victims. However Ayra is quite capable of taking it up herself as she's going to show in future, I hope. I like it when women handle these issues themselves - really. None of us need a man to support us in this regard...

Who'd mind someone being an independent woman? I definitely don't want her to be like Mubashira, even if I remove her list of crimes, this woman is going so low for approval of a man instead of working on herself not caring about how society perceives her or divorced women, peddling the biases against divorced women and working women.

Like the scene, where Ayra was working late and she told Zaid not to come to her office as she'll be late but he still went anyway then got mad at her for not coming home with him, to punish her for working late, he visited Mubashira's room and Mubashira was showing him off as a prize she has won because she is always available for Zaid as she has no ambitions and father is rich

A woman working late is creating this response from these two people, so tell me what should Ayra do now that her husband is not even in the country won't return home for the night? Should see seek another man to sleep with, would Zaid see her sleeping in some other man's room as a befitting reaction of his actions of hiding this trip from her?

The degree of harassment is not the big picture here, as you said the writing of this drama is better and you can see it in juxtaposition of scenes. Ayra was harassed by Zaid's brother in-law, Pakistani dramas don't always present scenes in a manner where such things are detailed, Zaid brushed it off as nothing and he was fine hanging out with his brother in law, what does his brother in law get from this? He feels Ayra hasn't informed Zaid or Zaid doesn't care that his wife was approached by him so what he does? The next day, his brother in law comes to his house and this time his attempts are even more vigorous, blocking Ayra's path and taking sip of her coffee.

Then we have scene after it where an officer is standing next to Mubashira in car, did traffic officer even do what Zaid's brother in law did to Ayra in his first attempt? Do you not see the difference between Zaid's reaction to both cases? Both scenes were placed next to each other, one attempt was nipped at the bud and another allowed to grow. I am not a shipper who'd "Ooh or Aah" over possibility of this spineless man not caring about harassment Ayra faces because he is in love with Mubashira now so none misbehaves with Mubashira while anyone can do anything with Ayra.

There is difference in Ayra's demeanor too, when first time Zaid's brother in law approached her she was confident and rebuked him, made him run away from the spot, she was scared too because who wouldn't be, and confided in her husband, what did her husband do? Did he help her in any manner? No. He asked her to hide it and the result is an Ayra who is afraid of Zaid's brother in law and didn't confide in Zaid this time because she knows he wouldn't help her.

The 2nd episode wouldn't have taken place if Zaid had handled it, it is not about needing a man's help, my father protects me till this date so does my brother, I feel safe when they are around me. Ayra has none in that house, she felt closer to the house help who came to ask her what she wants to eat than Zaid at this point.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

And the way he looks at her...like he is looking through her soul. ❤️

Hmm! The way he looks at her is romantic but he won't accept it so.. I think he has an idea that MJ likes him but... I am 99% sure we will be disappointed with Monday's episode. Nothing is going to progress I am telling you..

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Absolutely right on Mubashira and her abandonment issues. She knows she's formidable and though she may not have called herself unlovable- she's only proud to say she doesn't need love. Remember that ashiq at the anni party who was gushing over her and she said - excuse me, this is my anniversary and I don't value love - only loyalty matters to me. That's her fear of abandonment that made her carefully choose a first husband who was not her ideal, but she had a feeling he'd be loyal - because he had chased her, promised her loyalty and was even below her class like Rayyan kept berating her choice and his betrayal with her so called friend really threw her off the track

And I love it that her healing comes from within herself. It's not Zaid's love that heals her. It's her love for him that heals her...that's very touching about this story.

@ Bold - it is quite a beautiful way of putting it.

And I realized with your description of Mubashira's first husband, her second one is the quite anti-thesis of that at their marriage - 'who was not her ideal, but she had a feeling he'd be loyal - because he had chased her, promised her loyalty and was even below her class'

Originally posted by: arfanazneen

Also for me this show is about how Zaid and MJ handle situations. If I go on about the morality of the characters believe me, I can't watch any show for that matter. Humans are grey. Yes, some are really positive, some grey and some are negative and criminals. But it's not really easy to divide people on that basis..lines blur.

Now, for me, I see this show as Zaid loved Ayra but since she didn't choose him, he married MJ in an impulse and treated her badly. Blackmailed and then married Ayra finally. Then he started liking MJ as well. Now, this story is about whose love lasts, Zaid-Ayra or Zaid-MJ. Now I judge this based on the dynamics between the couples. Ayra-Zaid don't seem compatible. She brings down his energy. Ayra might not be negative but she is selfish and passive narcissist. Her behaviour was same with her brother as well. Even with Zaid before marriage for that matter.

Then comes MJ. Obviously she is disrespectful, mean and what not. But in her and Zaid's relationship, she never was mean with Zaid. Infact she always had a nice opinion about him. Yes, she didn't want the divorcee tag second time hence agreed for his 2nd marriage but she does like him genuinely as well. That's how and why I root for Zaid and Mubashira bcz yes, she plots and plans but when it comes to Zaid, she genuinely is falling for him. Now if we expect her not to try to win him over and be cool with Ayra and be selfless in loving Zaid, that for me is quite difficult when Ayra(supposedly positive, innocent and right) also couldn't tolerate MJ and literally stops Zaid from even spending time with Zaid. She married him knowing MJ will always be there (Infact demanded to he married with the consent of his fam) So, obviously, MJ is going to create problems for Ayra. Also Zaid knows how his relationship with Ayra is. Ayra just demands and never gives..

So yes, I judge the show only based on the relationship and dynamics between the pairs. If I like people based on who is positive, negative and grey, then I can't digest most shows I guess. You just fall for a person and there's no reasoning. Person can be good bad..you can't stop.

Being selfish isn't a crime, what Mubashira did was crime both can't be compared, there is a reason why one is punishable by law and another is not. Just because someone is in love with Zaid doesn't mean her actions against Ayra or the driver or the house help are nullified.

How come Mubashira who has never been honest with Zaid is compatible with him? Does Zaid know that the only reason she agreed to the marriage was because she is actively trying to force Ayra out of his life? Does he know that everything she is saying and doing is a facade? Even Haya was nice in front of Murtasim and told him that she didn't have any hand in Meerab leaving him, Meerab left Murtasim and Haya loved him, therefore Haya > Meerab?

Ayra was told by Zaid that his relationship with Mubashira is a contract and nothing more, Ayra is true to him, she doesn't hide her feelings for Mubashira from him, the only time she did something out of character was when she called him from the office to go out with her, otherwise he knows where he stands with Ayra unlike Mubashira. She is jealous of Mubashira so was Meerab of Haya, the difference was that Meerab never plotted or manipulated Murtasim while Haya like Mubashira did both.

Originally posted by: SwatiSingh79

Who'd mind someone being an independent woman? I definitely don't want her to be like Mubashira, even if I remove her list of crimes, this woman is going so low for approval of a man instead of working on herself not caring about how society perceives her or divorced women, peddling the biases against divorced women and working women.

Like the scene, where Ayra was working late and she told Zaid not to come to her office as she'll be late but he still went anyway then got mad at her for not coming home with him, to punish her for working late, he visited Mubashira's room and Mubashira was showing him off as a prize she has won because she is always available for Zaid as she has no ambitions and father is rich

A woman working late is creating this response from these two people, so tell me what should Ayra do now that her husband is not even in the country won't return home for the night? Should see seek another man to sleep with, would Zaid see her sleeping in some other man's room as a befitting reaction of his actions of hiding this trip from her?

The degree of harassment is not the big picture here, as you said the writing of this drama is better and you can see it in juxtaposition of scenes. Ayra was harassed by Zaid's brother in-law, Pakistani dramas don't always present scenes in a manner where such things are detailed, Zaid brushed it off as nothing and he was fine hanging out with his brother in law, what does his brother in law get from this? He feels Ayra hasn't informed Zaid or Zaid doesn't care that his wife was approached by him so what he does? The next day, his brother in law comes to his house and this time his attempts are even more vigorous, blocking Ayra's path and taking sip of her coffee.

Then we have scene after it where an officer is standing next to Mubashira in car, did traffic officer even do what Zaid's brother in law did to Ayra in his first attempt? Do you not see the difference between Zaid's reaction to both cases? Both scenes were placed next to each other, one attempt was nipped at the bud and another allowed to grow. I am not a shipper who'd "Ooh or Aah" over possibility of this spineless man not caring about harassment Ayra faces because he is in love with Mubashira now so none misbehaves with Mubashira while anyone can do anything with Ayra.

There is difference in Ayra's demeanor too, when first time Zaid's brother in law approached her she was confident and rebuked him, made him run away from the spot, she was scared too because who wouldn't be, and confided in her husband, what did her husband do? Did he help her in any manner? No. He asked her to hide it and the result is an Ayra who is afraid of Zaid's brother in law and didn't confide in Zaid this time because she knows he wouldn't help her.

The 2nd episode wouldn't have taken place if Zaid had handled it, it is not about needing a man's help, my father protects me till this date so does my brother, I feel safe when they are around me. Ayra has none in that house, she felt closer to the house help who came to ask her what she wants to eat than Zaid at this point.

Why everyone has to be independent? Some like to be attached and giving...like Kash...and she learnt her lesson. If a guy seems to be compatible enough and you are the first wife, why not pursue him... especially when he does not seem to have such a great love story as he'd like to believe...and he himself seems to realise it now.

The woman working late: Zaid had called her and she had told him to come at that time. Then she denied him entry and told him to go back rather than wait ..yes, if it is companionship he wants and she'd rather work on a project for a rival, she should leave him. Her priorities are clearly different. When she refused Zaid's idea of divorcing MJ, did she ever tell him he can't sleep with her? What was she thinking? Zaid didnt choose to have two wives- she did.

He had to find a proper way to break it because whether he told her two weeks or two hours before, reaction was not going to be pleasant. It's not a pleasant situation - she stupidly chose it and didn't take care to reciprocate him for putting him in an unsavoury position.

Harassment - there are too many things happening and dealing with these issues is a sensitive matter. Better to be in the best frame of mind while involving family members in sexual assault cases.

The police man was not connected to family, so the response was delivered then and there.

Second time - come on, let's give the writing it's due than go on one sided view....clearly she has decided to shun him the entire trip to make him feel bad and she's not a bechaari - she will take matters in her own hand. She might use it to guilt trip Zaid saying she didn't confide because he wouldn't believe, then she has no business staying married to him. Leave - now!

Point is Ayra doesn't trust Zaid and he is unable to give her the time she needs in this house...but she bullied him into picking this future...so stupid of her.

Originally posted by: SwatiSingh79

Being selfish isn't a crime, what Mubashira did was crime both can't be compared, there is a reason why one is punishable by law and another is not. Just because someone is in love with Zaid doesn't mean her actions against Ayra or the driver or the house help are nullified.

How come Mubashira who has never been honest with Zaid is compatible with him? Does Zaid know that the only reason she agreed to the marriage was because she is actively trying to force Ayra out of his life? Does he know that everything she is saying and doing is a facade? Even Haya was nice in front of Murtasim and told him that she didn't have any hand in Meerab leaving him, Meerab left Murtasim and Haya loved him, therefore Haya > Meerab?

Ayra was told by Zaid that his relationship with Mubashira is a contract and nothing more, Ayra is true to him, she doesn't hide her feelings for Mubashira from him, the only time she did something out of character was when she called him from the office to go out with her, otherwise he knows where he stands with Ayra unlike Mubashira. She is jealous of Mubashira so was Meerab of Haya, the difference was that Meerab never plotted or manipulated Murtasim while Haya like Mubashira did both.

Actually when we watch a show it's better to be neutral and not get emotionally invested. Once you catch one pov, it's impossible to see the other side...same goes on in our lives too. Everyone has a pov and it's good to see that. The way you are describing the show is entirely from Ayra's pov, as if other characters should revolve around her. Unfortunately every character has a story and their back story- so unless you take an effort at least to understand others we will end up repeating what has been written pages after pages.

Some ppl enjoy from one pov- like Meerab or Murtasim...def not Haya

In this show, all three character's pov have to be taken... otherwise you are watching only 1/3of the show. If that works, well and good.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Why everyone has to be independent? Some like to be attached and giving...like Kash...and she learnt her lesson. If a guy seems to be compatible enough and you are the first wife, why not pursue him... especially when he does not seem to have such a great love story as he'd like to believe...and he himself seems to realise it now.

The woman working late: Zaid had called her and she had told him to come at that time. Then she denied him entry and told him to go back rather than wait ..yes, if it is companionship he wants and she'd rather work on a project for a rival, she should leave him. Her priorities are clearly different. When she refused Zaid's idea of divorcing MJ, did she ever tell him he can't sleep with her? What was she thinking? Zaid didnt choose to have two wives- she did.

He had to find a proper way to break it because whether he told her two weeks or two hours before, reaction was not going to be pleasant. It's not a pleasant situation - she stupidly chose it and didn't take care to reciprocate him for putting him in an unsavoury position.

Harassment - there are too many things happening and dealing with these issues is a sensitive matter. Better to be in the best frame of mind while involving family members in sexual assault cases.

The police man was not connected to family, so the response was delivered then and there.

Second time - come on, let's give the writing it's due than go on one sided view....clearly she has decided to shun him the entire trip to make him feel bad and she's not a bechaari - she will take matters in her own hand. She might use it to guilt trip Zaid saying she didn't confide because he wouldn't believe, then she has no business staying married to him. Leave - now!

Point is Ayra doesn't trust Zaid and he is unable to give her the time she needs in this house...but she bullied him into picking this future...so stupid of her.

Independence doesnt mean seclusion, having an identity doesn't mean you are not a part of someone's life. Kashmala took a stand for herself, who said she isn't an independent woman? She was abused by Mubashira and refused to go back home without an apology, the woman has much more agency than Mubashira, Mubashira's worth is limited to her designer clothes

You have to watch the episode again, he called Ayra and Ayra told him that it'll take her 3-4 hours, he should sleep, she'll come back in company's car but he went to pick her up anyway, she didn't ask him to come to her office

https://youtu.be/d9V5qgG7ouQ?si=iD7VOak1m0_vbuP9

If he can go on business trips and not come home at night, shouldn't he respect his wife's work? Even if he was mad, is sleeping in Mubashira's room to show that her actions will have such reactions, right? Come on.

Ayra will use the harassment to guilt trip Zaid? Like the act in itself isnt wrong enough, you didn't give me your view point on Zaid hanging out with the man whom his wife accused of harassment. I get not taking rash decisions as it is family but what did he do? Did he do anything to ensure his wife's safety? How can she confide in him when he didn't do anything when she did it the first time?

As you are a shipper, I get you want to put the blame on Ayra ignoring Mubashira's crimes, I was giving my view point on why I don't want Ayra to end up with a man like Zaid who would rather her brother in law does anything he wants with his wife than take a step.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Actually when we watch a show it's better to be neutral and not get emotionally invested. Once you catch one pov, it's impossible to see the other side...same goes on in our lives too. Everyone has a pov and it's good to see that. The way you are describing the show is entirely from Ayra's pov, as if other characters should revolve around her. Unfortunately every character has a story and their back story- so unless you take an effort at least to understand others we will end up repeating what has been written pages after pages.

Some ppl enjoy from one pov- like Meerab or Murtasim...def not Haya

In this show, all three character's pov have to be taken... otherwise you are watching only 1/3of the show. If that works, well and good.

You are describing from a point of view of a shipper who finds fault in Ayra's character so MJ-Zaid pair would make sense, we all have our biases, it is alright.