Sympathy for female lead - Page 6

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

If Abhi wanted her to go back to Goenkas, he should not have divorced her, he should have dropped her to G house or asked BP to take her home. In stead he signed divorce and told her its over. Then he expected that she will go back to G house and wait for him to cool down and then again get married to him. Thats a bit over expectation, isn't it?

How can we say AK needed to stay. Once he divorced her, he is stranger to her. and why she need to wait for him and plead him to take back.

Rather I would say, thats the only time she took a stand for herself. Decided to leave the place which does not value you. And now its not only Ruhi hating her, Manish and Swarna, Surekha all are showing it explicitly that they hates her. Except Mimi no one asked her to stop. Why??and she is right in leaving G house.

Leaving means you never sort out. But sorting out needs both the parties to be open. If one party is closing the door and expecting the other party to wait outside the door till the time they cool down is foolish. Sorting out should be the requirement of both the parties. Not that only the person leaving requires sorting out. That makes her look clingy

In real life also relations break due to unfortunate events. and I must say in such cases, love never existed. If a husband abandoned wife due to MC, he never loved her. Because love, hate and expectations in return of love can not co exist. I would say such couples were never meant to be together.

That's not how love or relationships work. In reality these things are complex and expectations are a part of any relationship. And yes, she should have waited in both cases. Abhi waited a whole year for Ak when she abandoned him (from his perspective). Even when she came back from that, he was ready to talk about it, he wanted her to explain and he gave her time to explain. That is clingy?

And nope, divorce doesn't mean leave Udaipur. Goenkas did nothing against her back then, but she abandoned them too. Right now also there are so many relationships that she could have maintained - kairav, muskaan, etc. She is abandoning them, moreover she is ensuring that her son also doesn't have any of his relationships AGAIN. She has made these insane choices over and over again. For one relationship she forgets all others.

Taking a stand for oneself does not mean running away to a different place where no one knows you so you can start afresh. It means staying and fighting for your own rights. It means staying and making people see you for who you are. Arohi fought for who she is multiple times. Even though she did bad things and everyone berated her, she still stayed. Abhi fought for Ak so many times, and then with her for their relationship. That is taking a stand. Running away isn't.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Lol sorry but that is NOT a normal family life. It wasn't even a normal husband wife relationship then how can it be normal family? And the only reason it was so called peaceful is cause Abhinav had no family and no expectations, nor did Ak have any expectations from him. Lack of expectations sure makes a relationship smooth sailing.

Abhi wasn't angry for six years, like there was no anger in him shown post leap so not sure where that is coming from. He was angry about her calling him during the seven months when he was busy managing Manjari and cause Manjari was getting triggered by Ak's name.

As to relationship what happened, what not, I am not interested in discussing. I think Abhira had a beautiful stable relationship with a lot of love, trust and faith. People act like love is some solitary emotion. Love doesn't really happen without all the rest of it too. No one ever just loves someone. With love the other things come up naturally like trust and respect. You can't love someone you don't trust. You can't love someone you don't respect.

Death is a big deal and that can make people say terrible things in trauma and grief. One day doesn't define a relationship.

To me, love is not physical intimacy. Thats only a part of love.

Love has many forms. And to me, care, concern, understanding each other, trust and faith, respect is the ultimate form of love. Getting romantic, eye locks, fall and trip etc., are not actual love to me. If my partner understands me when I am in trouble, when I am sad, when I want him the most, I would say thats better than some one showering hugs and kisses on me.

And OFC, love and expectations can not stay together. I n love, you don't expect your partner to behave in a specific pattern. You accept the person as such, with all his good and bad qualities and don't expect him or her to change themselves.

You need trust, faith and respect in love. That was lost in events on and post WD. Which now they are regaining.

If Abhi wasn't angry for six years, why he was not bothered to go and see where she is? Was his love over in that 6 years and suddenly he wanted her back after he met her in Kasauli? or after he got to know about Abhir? What difference it made after 6 years that he is leaving everyone for her?

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

To me, love is not physical intimacy. Thats only a part of love.

Love has many forms. And to me, care, concern, understanding each other, trust and faith, respect is the ultimate form of love. Getting romantic, eye locks, fall and trip etc., are not actual love to me. If my partner understands me when I am in trouble, when I am sad, when I want him the most, I would say thats better than some one showering hugs and kisses on me.

And OFC, love and expectations can not stay together. I n love, you don't expect your partner to behave in a specific pattern. You accept the person as such, with all his good and bad qualities and don't expect him or her to change themselves.

You need trust, faith and respect in love. That was lost in events on and post WD. Which now they are regaining.

If Abhi wasn't angry for six years, why he was not bothered to go and see where she is? Was his love over in that 6 years and suddenly he wanted her back after he met her in Kasauli? or after he got to know about Abhir? What difference it made after 6 years that he is leaving everyone for her?

Sorry, but have you actually seen the whole show? Like from the beginning? Have you seen Abhira relationship? Cause I feel like you might not have seen what they were like that is why you are saying all of this. Everything existed in their relationship. Everything.

Akshnav however atleast during that six years were nothing more than roommates. She shared nothing with him so there is no scope of any care concern understanding or anything to develop there. After the temple confession is when their relationship actually began and I agree it was an okie relationship in its own rights.

Oh! and Abhi didn't go cause he learnt seven months after she left that she already remarried. He didn't go cause he didn't want to disturb her new life. Even when he comes face to face with her in Kasuali he tried to leave immediately cause he doesn't want to create any problems for her. That is not what someone thinks in anger.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

That's not how love or relationships work. In reality these things are complex and expectations are a part of any relationship. And yes, she should have waited in both cases. Abhi waited a whole year for Ak when she abandoned him (from his perspective). Even when she came back from that, he was ready to talk about it, he wanted her to explain and he gave her time to explain. That is clingy?

And nope, divorce doesn't mean leave Udaipur. Goenkas did nothing against her back then, but she abandoned them too. Right now also there are so many relationships that she could have maintained - kairav, muskaan, etc. She is abandoning them, moreover she is ensuring that her son also doesn't have any of his relationships AGAIN. She has made these insane choices over and over again. For one relationship she forgets all others.

Taking a stand for oneself does not mean running away to a different place where no one knows you so you can start afresh. It means staying and fighting for your own rights. It means staying and making people see you for who you are. Arohi fought for who she is multiple times. Even though she did bad things and everyone berated her, she still stayed. Abhi fought for Ak so many times, and then with her for their relationship. That is taking a stand. Running away isn't.

But you take stand for yourself also if you feel its worth fighting for it. And I don't find fighting with Goenkas are worth it. Its just waste of time. They are not worth. One day they start dancing for you, next day they abandon you. She has been abandoned by Goenkas since Sirat's death. She was sent away and asked to go away for keeping Arohi happy. And I don't think its worth fighting with such people.

Divorce doesn't mean leaving Udaipur is a valid point. But Abhimanyu Birla expected Akshara Goenka to behave as per his expectation of her going back to G house. Why? she can also decide herself where to go. She can also make wrong decisions as she was also under trauma, isn't it?

Leap 1, I agree that Abhimanyu waited for her and he behaved sane. But Leap 2, his behaviour was insane. Till Abhir rejected him, he went on the same. And once Abhir rejected him, he realised and regretted.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Sorry, but have you actually seen the whole show? Like from the beginning? Have you seen Abhira relationship? Cause I feel like you might not have seen what they were like that is why you are saying all of this. Everything existed in their relationship. Everything.

Akshnav however atleast during that six years were nothing more than roommates. She shared nothing with him so there is no scope of any care concern understanding or anything to develop there. After the temple confession is when their relationship actually began and I agree it was an okie relationship in its own rights.

Oh! and Abhi didn't go cause he learnt seven months after she left that she already remarried. He didn't go cause he didn't want to disturb her new life. Even when he comes face to face with her in Kasuali he tried to leave immediately cause he doesn't want to create any problems for her. That is not what someone thinks in anger.

I have seen from S2 and my family is watching since S1.

And I don't think Abhi-Akshara love as built on the foundation of trust and faith. It was mostly physical attraction. And he was chasing a voice. He pushed her to the edge that she was forced to confess her feelings. what mostly they have shown is two people in love with intense romance and a bunch of extreme characters called family around them. An angry young man in love with a carefree and sacrificial girl who was suppressed in gratitude for her family. Pre leap they have not shown any kind of mature love between them. Post Abhinav death, what they are showing between Abhi-Ak is understanding, and care and concern for each other. Thats also a kind of love. Even if AK is not confessing, her actions says she loves him.

I perceive Abhi-Akshara as intense romantic couple and Ak-Abhinav as a family unit (room mates does not have a common goal), they had a common goal of parenting Abhir and giving him the best.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

But you take stand for yourself also if you feel its worth fighting for it. And I don't find fighting with Goenkas are worth it. Its just waste of time. They are not worth. One day they start dancing for you, next day they abandon you. She has been abandoned by Goenkas since Sirat's death. She was sent away and asked to go away for keeping Arohi happy. And I don't think its worth fighting with such people.

Divorce doesn't mean leaving Udaipur is a valid point. But Abhimanyu Birla expected Akshara Goenka to behave as per his expectation of her going back to G house. Why? she can also decide herself where to go. She can also make wrong decisions as she was also under trauma, isn't it?

Leap 1, I agree that Abhimanyu waited for her and he behaved sane. But Leap 2, his behaviour was insane. Till Abhir rejected him, he went on the same. And once Abhir rejected him, he realised and regretted.

I dont see any of that. Ak never behaved like Goenkas were not worth it for her. She infact was very much missing them for six years and kept in constant touch with BP. When she came back the reunion was power packed with emotions too. We may think Goenkas are not worth it, but she clearly doesn't.

Abhi didn't expect anything at the time. It wasn't some well thought out plan. He just needed to cut off that relationship to be able to handle whatever was going on. But the logical thing would have been to go to Goenkas. Also its not like Ak planned where to go or made any decisions. She just got on a bus and then fell on a stranger. Her real decision was not going back with BP for whatever reason and that was wrong on multiple levels but again, not interested in rehashing everything.

Abhi has repented and realized his mistakes multiple times in the past eight months. Not just after Abhir's rejection. Infact after Abhir's rejection he has become zinda laash. So according to you, a person is only good if they have no expectations from any relationships? Love is not love if it asks for love back? One cannot be human and think they deserve love, if they are to truly love another? That is not redemption you are talking about, its systematically breaking down a person so that they become a shell with nothing but guilt inside.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

I have seen from S2 and my family is watching since S1.

And I don't think Abhi-Akshara love as built on the foundation of trust and faith. It was mostly physical attraction. And he was chasing a voice. He pushed her to the edge that she was forced to confess her feelings. what mostly they have shown is two people in love with intense romance and a bunch of extreme characters called family around them. An angry young man in love with a carefree and sacrificial girl who was suppressed in gratitude for her family. Pre leap they have not shown any kind of mature love between them. Post Abhinav death, what they are showing between Abhi-Ak is understanding, and care and concern for each other. Thats also a kind of love. Even if AK is not confessing, her actions says she loves him.

I perceive Abhi-Akshara as intense romantic couple and Ak-Abhinav as a family unit (room mates does not have a common goal), they had a common goal of parenting Abhir and giving him the best.

Lol, again, have you watched this gen from the beginning? What you are talking about are just some isolated aspects of their relationship. Pre leap there were tons of mature love instances perhaps missed cause they didn't create such a big hoopla around them. Some of them that just come to mind for me, was when Abhira discovered Abhi's hand issue. That was a truly traumatic time and Ak became Abhi's support and cared for him the way a wife should. There were tons of other family issues too that they may have fought about but eventually they understood each other's POV and came together to give each other support. After the first reunion too there were family issues with Arohi and Neil where they handled things with maturity and grace. Abhi always supported Ak's career and helped her build it again. He became her cheerleader no matter what she chose to pursue. When they found out about not being able to conceive, the whole family came together to support them. These are not realistic situations which were handled with maturity? This is intense romance with nothing else? Even for the families there were lots of time where they supported Abhira in realistic circumstances. Manjari disregarded Arohi hitting her with a car, then again disregarded Ak leaving for a year.

I am sorry but a lot of what you are saying is false narrative built by hand picking a few instances, like the rest of the story didn't even happen. This is not what just physical attraction is like either. People don't marry people for just physical attraction. People don't love and understand each aspect of a person for just physical attraction. People don't dream about a family and plan for their future together for just physical attraction.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I dont see any of that. Ak never behaved like Goenkas were not worth it for her. She infact was very much missing them for six years and kept in constant touch with BP. When she came back the reunion was power packed with emotions too. We may think Goenkas are not worth it, but she clearly doesn't.

Abhi didn't expect anything at the time. It wasn't some well thought out plan. He just needed to cut off that relationship to be able to handle whatever was going on. But the logical thing would have been to go to Goenkas. Also its not like Ak planned where to go or made any decisions. She just got on a bus and then fell on a stranger. Her real decision was not going back with BP for whatever reason and that was wrong on multiple levels but again, not interested in rehashing everything.

Abhi has repented and realized his mistakes multiple times in the past eight months. Not just after Abhir's rejection. Infact after Abhir's rejection he has become zinda laash. So according to you, a person is only good if they have no expectations from any relationships? Love is not love if it asks for love back? One cannot be human and think they deserve love, if they are to truly love another? That is not redemption you are talking about, its systematically breaking down a person so that they become a shell with nothing but guilt inside.

you have so many valid points I must say. 👏🏻

@bold - Most of the times we, people when argue about characters here, disregard the perspectives of the characters and put our own (third) perspective.