Sympathy for female lead - Page 5

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

Don't keep hopes high.

ML supporting FL looks like difficult. If it is Ghum 1 or even S3 repeat, we will get that only by the end

Are makers nuts....that they dont know how ghum shuda pakhi was thrashed....

That serial is now making sense...i dont think s4 will work for an year..if the plot is so regressive

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

She is an TV ki FL. Has to be mahaan and take up blames as and when required

The constant thing with Akshara is Mahaanta, and habit of running away.

I would say its fine to run away from families like Goenkas and Birlas. Two days before Goenkas were fighting with Manjari for Akshara and today they are disowning her. Better to stay with a stranger who has no family than living with such a family who disowns you at the drop of a hat.

She was happy for the six years when she was in Kasauli. Maybe that was the only time in her whole lifetime she was really happy and had a normal life

Why do they think Akshara did the accident willingly? What is her motive behind this accident in Goenkas' opinion? Were they competing for same man/property/anything else?

At the drop of a hat? You do realize that in BOTH instances someone died! What stupid narratives is this. I don't see how its comparable to her magical kasauli life unless Abhinav lost someone he cared about and it was related to Ak. If he then doesn't as you say drop her, then I would agree. Since they never showed any conflict at all, and skipped over six years, its not comparable to anything.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

At the drop of a hat? You do realize that in BOTH instances someone died! What stupid narratives is this. I don't see how its comparable to her magical kasauli life unless Abhinav lost someone he cared about and it was related to Ak. If he then doesn't as you say drop her, then I would agree. Since they never showed any conflict at all, and skipped over six years, its not comparable to anything.

Its not narrative. Its what is shown in the story. Kasauli they have shown a happy family and they were happy till they came to Udaipur. Thats what is shown in the story.

As you think disowning a family member for their mistake is fine, I believe its very wrong to leave them alone when they are also in trauma. If Goenkas' leaving Akshara to her fate on WD and now is fine, Ruhi also deserves the same, because the event that triggered accident was her playing with the car. If Goenkas are right to leave Akshara alone, Abhi leaving Ruhi is also justifiable. If Akshara going behind Arohi and Sirat in her zid that leading to Sirat's death is mistake, here Ruhi is also wrong, right?

I really don't take Akshara involved in Neil or Arohi or Sirat's death with any direct intentions. So I don't take her as responsible for their deaths. The intention behind action is more important to declare whether the person is wrong or right. Akshara did not intent to cause death to Neil or Sirat or Arohi. But Abhi on WD and Goenkas now intent to punish Akshara.

If you have listened to Manish's dialogue, he says Abhir has not done any mistake so he does not deserve punishment. Swarna also says Ruhi has made no mistakes so she should be protected. These dialogues itself justifies Akshara's hiding of Ruhi's role to the family. If they get to know Ruhi did some mistake un intentionally also, she deserves to be punished like Akshara. Thats what Goenkas are.

If anyone of your family member dies and another member was present at that place/another member asked him to go to that place does not make them murderer. And it happens in many real life situations also. But people don't disown them unless they commit a heinous crime intentionally.

And I really don't believe in this panauti/bad omen/good omen things. Had Akshara been their in car or not, the car was out of control, moving on its own and would have hit Arohi. And thats a fact. Anyone sitting on driving seat in an out of control car can not stop it in between.

Everyone gets back their good and bad karma. Be it main leads or sides. Arohi got her Karma, Abhi got his Karma, Manjari got her Karma and Akshara got her Karma. All are suffering due to their bad Karma.

To me, What Abhimanyu did on WD was wrong. and what Goenkas are doing now is wrong. Family is for to stand with you on tough days, not to disown and punish you.

You can happily disagree with me. We all are entitled to have our own opinions and perspectives, isn't it?

You framed it as a drop of a hat. My point is simple. Death is a big deal. Trauma related to death is a big deal and people often do take bad decisions because of such trauma. What happened of wd was that, Birlas were in trauma and they couldn't see beyond their own pain. And what happened with Abhi during Nav;s death is the same. What is happening now is the same yet again.

But the abandonment atleast to me wasn't about if Ak is responsible or not. Abhi abandoned AK because her presence was triggering both Manjari and Arohi. Similarly, BP abandoned Ak cause her presence was triggering to Ruhi. Its about managing people's immediate emotions. Something even Ak understands this time around which is why she is leaving. Something she didn't understand the first time around. Her expectations with Abhi have always been insane in comparison to anyone else.

Right and wrong is a moot point to me now. My issue was with you trivializing the circumstances of these decisions. Can we atleast agree to keep death at a different level than abandonment? Can we atleast agree that trauma due to someone dying is much more than someone abandoning you? Can we stop acting like death means nothing on this forum? We all know deaths are supposed to be a plot device, so maybe they loose their importance. But narratively this plot device means something for the characters and their emotions. Disregarding that and only focusing on the results of these devasting occurrences is plain shortsighted.

Also like there has been nothing to show that Ak was "happy" during the six years in Kasauli, not one scene really, unless you count her rehashing that to Abhi while being angry at him.

Instead what is shown is that she developed anger issues, she became volatile and emotionally unavailable to people around her. She stopped sharing her life with anyone including her so called husband. She missed her family but was too scared to look back. Infact there have been several times where she has berated Abhi for having to make this choice. Even after six years, she said clearly that if he had come back for her then they could have had the life they dreamed of. Not once has that been debated. Then what happiness are you talking about?

Originally posted by: lagjagale

You framed it as a drop of a hat. My point is simple. Death is a big deal. Trauma related to death is a big deal and people often do take bad decisions because of such trauma. What happened of wd was that, Birlas were in trauma and they couldn't see beyond their own pain. And what happened with Abhi during Nav;s death is the same. What is happening now is the same yet again.

But the abandonment atleast to me wasn't about if Ak is responsible or not. Abhi abandoned AK because her presence was triggering both Manjari and Arohi. Similarly, BP abandoned Ak cause her presence was triggering to Ruhi. Its about managing people's immediate emotions. Something even Ak understands this time around which is why she is leaving. Something she didn't understand the first time around. Her expectations with Abhi have always been insane in comparison to anyone else.

Right and wrong is a moot point to me now. My issue was with you trivializing the circumstances of these decisions. Can we atleast agree to keep death at a different level than abandonment? Can we atleast agree that trauma due to someone dying is much more than someone abandoning you? Can we stop acting like death means nothing on this forum? We all know deaths are supposed to be a plot device, so maybe they loose their importance. But narratively this plot device means something for the characters and their emotions. Disregarding that and only focusing on the results of these devasting occurrences is plain shortsighted.

Sorry dear. I don't say death is trivial. But death should not be used to throw people out. Perhaps you should understand that abandonment also makes a huge trauma to people and that trauma stays for their lifetime.

If Abhi can take wrong decisions due to trauma, Akshara is also under trauma, right? So how do we expect her to not to react and wait till Abhi and Goenkas calm down? And if people start abandoning their one family member in the name of trauma for other members, what is the meaning of family? Family should be for all the members or not? I can never digest anyone abandoning any family member in any situation.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

Sorry dear. I don't say death is trivial. But death should not be used to throw people out. Perhaps you should understand that abandonment also makes a huge trauma to people and that trauma stays for their lifetime.

If Abhi can take wrong decisions due to trauma, Akshara is also under trauma, right? So how do we expect her to not to react and wait till Abhi and Goenkas calm down? And if people start abandoning their one family member in the name of trauma for other members, what is the meaning of family? Family should be for all the members or not? I can never digest anyone abandoning any family member in any situation.

I never said abandonment is a drop of a hat either. I am just saying trauma from death trumps any trauma from abandonment. No one is expecting anything anymore. As for your question about reality. In reality lots of people divorce due to miscarriages. Its a common thing. Couples are often not able to come out of that trauma and being with each other actually makes it worse. Death in a family often leads to estrangement of some members, especially if the circumstances are like that or if some members are triggered like Manjari was. People also grieve at different rates and in different ways, which leads to some members feeling left out or betrayed. The way it happened in the show is obviously more dramatic and instant. That's not how it happens in most families. But to say that trauma doesn't affect family relations is not right. Abandoning some members for others also happens all too often. None of this means that its not a family, or anything like that. Relationships are complex and they are supposed to be treated with kindness whenever possible. That is/was the point of this show but they have obviously lost touch with that idea. If relationships break, they can also heal.

Abhi never intended for Ak to be alone, he wanted her to go to Goenkas. He wanted to get his family above this grief of Neil's death before trying to smooth over relationships with Ak again. Its a valid strategy, if not well thought out. Ak needed to stay, in both cases, she is the one who left. She is the one who gave up on her relationships. Only Abhi divorced her, but yet she left everyone. Right now also, only Ruhi hates her, still she is leaving everyone. There are soooo many better ways to handle things than to leave people. Leaving means you never sort things out.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Also like there has been nothing to show that Ak was "happy" during the six years in Kasauli, not one scene really, unless you count her rehashing that to Abhi while being angry at him.

Instead what is shown is that she developed anger issues, she became volatile and emotionally unavailable to people around her. She stopped sharing her life with anyone including her so called husband. She missed her family but was too scared to look back. Infact there have been several times where she has berated Abhi for having to make this choice. Even after six years, she said clearly that if he had come back for her then they could have had the life they dreamed of. Not once has that been debated. Then what happiness are you talking about?

She was shown having a settled life with Abhir and Abhinav. A normal family life. She came to Kasauli with a heavy baggage and you can not expect her to stop remembering the past and start happily. Despite that she had a peaceful life and thats because Abhinav gave her own space and never intruded in her thought process.

If she developed anger issues, it was due to her past experience, where her expectations were not met. That anger and fear to look back was a part of her baggage. that comes from her insecurities she got from her past life experiences. How does that is an issue developed in her Kasauli life.

Akshara expected Abhi to get her back post WD is quite normal and he did not come back looking for her is the main reason for her trust issues with Abhi. But Abhimanyu being angry for 6 long years and not regretting unless he learned about Abhir is not normal. How can you be angry with your most loved one for such a long time?

I would say, Akshara and Abhi always had trust issues in their relationship. Love alone is not enough for keeping a relationship intact. Trust and faith in each other plays a huge role to keep the relation through ups and downs of life.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

She was shown having a settled life with Abhir and Abhinav. A normal family life. She came to Kasauli with a heavy baggage and you can not expect her to stop remembering the past and start happily. Despite that she had a peaceful life and thats because Abhinav gave her own space and never intruded in her thought process.

If she developed anger issues, it was due to her past experience, where her expectations were not met. That anger and fear to look back was a part of her baggage. that comes from her insecurities she got from her past life experiences. How does that is an issue developed in her Kasauli life.

Akshara expected Abhi to get her back post WD is quite normal and he did not come back looking for her is the main reason for her trust issues with Abhi. But Abhimanyu being angry for 6 long years and not regretting unless he learned about Abhir is not normal. How can you be angry with your most loved one for such a long time?

I would say, Akshara and Abhi always had trust issues in their relationship. Love alone is not enough for keeping a relationship intact. Trust and faith in each other plays a huge role to keep the relation through ups and downs of life.

Lol sorry but that is NOT a normal family life. It wasn't even a normal husband wife relationship then how can it be normal family? And the only reason it was so called peaceful is cause Abhinav had no family and no expectations, nor did Ak have any expectations from him. Lack of expectations sure makes a relationship smooth sailing.

Abhi wasn't angry for six years, like there was no anger in him shown post leap so not sure where that is coming from. He was angry about her calling him during the seven months when he was busy managing Manjari and cause Manjari was getting triggered by Ak's name.

As to relationship what happened, what not, I am not interested in discussing. I think Abhira had a beautiful stable relationship with a lot of love, trust and faith. People act like love is some solitary emotion. Love doesn't really happen without all the rest of it too. No one ever just loves someone. With love the other things come up naturally like trust and respect. You can't love someone you don't trust. You can't love someone you don't respect.

Death is a big deal and that can make people say terrible things in trauma and grief. One day doesn't define a relationship.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

I never said abandonment is a drop of a hat either. I am just saying trauma from death trumps any trauma from abandonment. No one is expecting anything anymore. As for your question about reality. In reality lots of people divorce due to miscarriages. Its a common thing. Couples are often not able to come out of that trauma and being with each other actually makes it worse. Death in a family often leads to estrangement of some members, especially if the circumstances are like that or if some members are triggered like Manjari was. People also grieve at different rates and in different ways, which leads to some members feeling left out or betrayed. The way it happened in the show is obviously more dramatic and instant. That's not how it happens in most families. But to say that trauma doesn't affect family relations is not right. Abandoning some members for others also happens all too often. None of this means that its not a family, or anything like that. Relationships are complex and they are supposed to be treated with kindness whenever possible. That is/was the point of this show but they have obviously lost touch with that idea. If relationships break, they can also heal.

Abhi never intended for Ak to be alone, he wanted her to go to Goenkas. He wanted to get his family above this grief of Neil's death before trying to smooth over relationships with Ak again. Its a valid strategy, if not well thought out. Ak needed to stay, in both cases, she is the one who left. She is the one who gave up on her relationships. Only Abhi divorced her, but yet she left everyone. Right now also, only Ruhi hates her, still she is leaving everyone. There are soooo many better ways to handle things than to leave people. Leaving means you never sort things out.

If Abhi wanted her to go back to Goenkas, he should not have divorced her, he should have dropped her to G house or asked BP to take her home. In stead he signed divorce and told her its over. Then he expected that she will go back to G house and wait for him to cool down and then again get married to him. Thats a bit over expectation, isn't it?

How can we say AK needed to stay. Once he divorced her, he is stranger to her. and why she need to wait for him and plead him to take back.

Rather I would say, thats the only time she took a stand for herself. Decided to leave the place which does not value you. And now its not only Ruhi hating her, Manish and Swarna, Surekha all are showing it explicitly that they hates her. Except Mimi no one asked her to stop. Why??and she is right in leaving G house.

Leaving means you never sort out. But sorting out needs both the parties to be open. If one party is closing the door and expecting the other party to wait outside the door till the time they cool down is foolish. Sorting out should be the requirement of both the parties. Not that only the person leaving requires sorting out. That makes her look clingy

In real life also relations break due to unfortunate events. and I must say in such cases, love never existed. If a husband abandoned wife due to MC, he never loved her. Because love, hate and expectations in return of love can not co exist. I would say such couples were never meant to be together.