SPOILERS thread 3: BTS and upcoming arcs - Page 48

Originally posted by: Eternalallure

An event that wouldn't ever happen in real life Because no organiser would start making a corsage just because an attendee asked for it If Viaan wanted one he should have gotten one for Lisa himself and not asked the organisers to do it Anyway it's some singles meet and greet.

Maybe it can be tradition or normal in such meet and greets. I don't have any idea about how such events are conducted .That's what I was asking if anyone has any idea ?

Originally posted by: abca19510

But, Katha in any way can't be held accountable for ONS. You can't say she hid things from Viaan that's why he gave this offer. Because she was an employee and came to ask loan in office not for a hookup at a bar. This will remain a fact and this will not change with any amount of repentence. But, this doesn't mean we should always criminalize Viaan and use ONS as a trump card. Even makers aren't doing that. But, makers are also not implying that it was Katha's fault that day. So, what is the point of this discussion?

So that is their short coming that they didn't bother to find complete truth and reacted like that. In that scenario it doesn't matter what it looks like to them coz they don't know the whole truth and didn't bother to find out either. Also they ignored a very obvious clue. Katha was in love and ready to marry viaan. If it was rape they should have atleast stopped themselves and question how is she in love with him? That is why I believe that their reaction esp Mr garewal was stemming more from their guilt rather than actual care.

Anyways I have said before and I am repeating again. I am not blaming Katha for having a ons for aarav but she didn't think it through and that is a fact. She had some buffer time between viaan's proposal and her accepting it and she was didn't take the most logical solution in that scenario i.e. confessing the truth about why she needs money and also ending the lie she said while getting hired. Morally, she isn't being blamed for doing what she did coz she did it for her child. 😄makers? They have pinned the entire blame and responsibility on viaan and if you didn't get that from his redemption arc and again during the revelation track I don't know what to tell you. The point of this discussion was that yes viaan is majorly responsible but he didn't rape Katha and some of responsibility of that night lies on her too coz she agreed to it. Viaan's role and flaws have been discussed to death so I am merely seeing the other side of the coin.

Originally posted by: john909

I am the one who entirely blame Viaan for ONS.

And I standby my position.

Yes Katha approach is stupid.

I didn't get how Katha didn't get loan while working as a Lead Architect. I checked internet, she can easily get upto 40 lakh as medical loan. Probably she need guarantor, that Rewa can become. Rewa is as equal experience as Katha. She can arrange 5 lakh. Katha previous boss Chandra sir, he also can give upto 5 lakh. And the Khandani Kangan of her MIL, might be 5 lakh. And the crowdfunding site, may be 5 lakh. Atleast she can arrange 55 - 60 lakh.

Rest she can ask from office. If there is a loan policy in Earthcon, I am expecting it is upto annual package in extreme case (as it is in my company). Her annual package would be around 30 lakh. So asking 40 lakh doesn't look ugly as asking 1 cr.

Asking 1cr from a single bank/person/NGO is plain stupidity.

The more stupidity is - her MIL didn't ask Teji her friend to help her but she can announce in public party that they didn't help her and she arranged money on her own.

But Stupidity and Carelessness doesn't make the person Culprit. It make the person Victim.

People here only point out Katha stupidity only to defend Viaan so called business deal.

If Katha is stupid, so Viaan is harraser. Full stop. By saying he is only morally wrong is a way to sugarcoat his crime.

I don't consider 50 - 50 blame to both party. How in the world this formula calculated. If something happen, it is not necessary that both party have equally involved. It is like saying Salman Khan is only 50% responsible for killing people who are sleeping in footpath because footpath is not meant for sleep but drink and drive is OK.

If sound comes from two hand clap, sound also come from slapping in face.

First of all it is very clear that Earthcon has biases against married woman who has children and they don't hire Mother. This is clearly Viaan fault.

You said Viaan is not responsible for monetary help. He is responsible because in their company there is a loan policy. If there is no loan policy, probably Katha wouldn't ask for it.

Katha didn't tell the reason. She should as it is matter of life and death. But it is because of company policy. You have to add dependency on company profile so that any insurance can be given to direct family member. Let's say Katha is asking for loan for medical help, she hasn't added Aarav as her dependency, then she isn't eligible for loan. She try to get 1cr without saying reason is stupidity. But as soon as Viaan rejected it harshly, she said ok and leaving the room. It is when Viaan take the opportunity to entice her and fulfil his desire.

Again Viaan is the culprit.

Katha clearly ask Loan from company, Viaan has no business to test her character. I don't consider his pure intention. Katha is not a mind reader. Again Viaan is the culprit.

Katha cursed Viaan for asking this shit and leaving. Still Viaan is smiling and ask don't you want loan. If you reject this offer you will not get loan. How the hell this is a test. How can't people see this as harrassment. He didn't ask only 1 time, she rejected and he is fine. He again asked 2nd time when she cursed him and leaving and he can see how annoyed she is, still ask for ONS.

If people want to consider Viaan inner feeling, then consider Katha inner feeling when it is clearly visible that she hesitant with his mere touch on that night. Viaan didn't ask the reason at that time also but he can harrass her next day to know the reason.

If people don't want to consider Katha's feeling, only her word, then don't consider Viaan's feeling as a so called test or how happy he was when Katha rejected it. Did he immediately say sorry to Katha after she cursed him. No.

Viaan inner feeling is clear. If Katha passed the test, he has already plan to say sorry. If Katha is OK with ONS then enjoy. Asking for sexual favor at workplace is sexual harassment.

He said company can't give her money, but he took the money from company account.

Despite her condition to remain as secret, he booked the hotel from company account which many people can access. Again Viaan is to be blamed.

Originally posted by: john909

So that is their short coming that they didn't bother to find complete truth and reacted like that. In that scenario it doesn't matter what it looks like to them coz they don't know the whole truth and didn't bother to find out either. Also they ignored a very obvious clue. Katha was in love and ready to marry viaan. If it was rape they should have atleast stopped themselves and question how is she in love with him? That is why I believe that their reaction esp Mr garewal was stemming more from their guilt rather than actual care.

Anyways I have said before and I am repeating again. I am not blaming Katha for having a ons for aarav but she didn't think it through and that is a fact. She had some buffer time between viaan's proposal and her accepting it and she was didn't take the most logical solution in that scenario i.e. confessing the truth about why she needs money and also ending the lie she said while getting hired. Morally, she isn't being blamed for doing what she did coz she did it for her child. 😄makers? They have pinned the entire blame and responsibility on viaan and if you didn't get that from his redemption arc and again during the revelation track I don't know what to tell you. The point of this discussion was that yes viaan is majorly responsible but he didn't rape Katha and some of responsibility of that night lies on her too coz she agreed to it. Viaan's role and flaws have been discussed to death so I am merely seeing the other side of the coin.

I would agree that Grewal's reaction was stemming from their guilt mostly but, not entirely. Their aggression was more towards that person who at one point was a womanizer (in their eyes). What happened that day can be entirely blamed on circumstances. Viaan was unfortunate that he came there at the most inappropriate time and decided to stay there and fix everything then and there only. It takes time to digest such a harsh truth and unfortunately no time was given to anyone. When the storm settled, gunshot happened and then entire scope for any amount of explanation was gone

@bold When you say that, you are indirectly blaming her. Thing is that she is not accountable even the slightest for what happened with her because, Viaan's reply as a boss, as a person in position of power should have been in yes or no. Such an indecent offer is direct threat to employee as no to boss means no to job. Katha will not assume Viaan's trauma as reason behind this proposal.

It is the case of Data Leak - you are using the data which wasn't present there while making the decision. You know Viaan would have helped but, how will Katha know? She sees a man who is rude, fires employees who lie to him and now shows his lust towards Katha. How do you assume any sensibility from such a man? What if his lust vanishes when Katha tells him she is a mother not single and he changes his mind about the offer?

Now, Katha's accountability only comes when someone questions Viaan and she did admit in front of Grewals. She did say Viaan didn't knew about Aarav, he didn't took advantage of me and it was on consent. Then, Kailash also said a very strong point which has no proper answer - "You were saving your child. What was he doing? Satiating his lust?". This is the entire point. Viaan will be 100% accountable and entire blame will indeed go to him.

Viaan has come to know about her engagement

https://youtu.be/8sg4yevO5T8?si=nDtg3IOlpUv0jVBu

Viaan is not even hoping to get back together. All he wants are some answers. This is what he has said all along. And she can't even give him that. This is what I hate even more than her chat mangni phat byaah. Stop making him run around in circles. Just have a conversation with him. What's so difficult about that. It has to happen sooner or later, so what's the point of prolonging it.

Raining of bts

https://youtu.be/ekRLJIgVvfQ?si=MO6LKFEL8vlpQrrg

https://youtu.be/gtnAXoc5Xp0?si=cu6E1JFVHa7As9Sq

https://youtu.be/7X1mAMzHJVk?si=lbuu9ukxNuYCnOuv

Originally posted by: Eternalallure

Viaan is not even hoping to get back together. All he wants are some answers. This is what he has said all along. And she can't even give him that. This is what I hate even more than her chat mangni phat byaah. Stop making him run around in circles. Just have a conversation with him. What's so difficult about that. It has to happen sooner or later, so what's the point of prolonging it.

Originally posted by: Neutral2

I am the one who entirely blame Viaan for ONS.

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Despite her condition to remain as secret, he booked the hotel from company account which many people can access. Again Viaan is to be blamed.

Bro that's a whole research paper

Are you in debate or MUN or something like that? Your choice of words and examples are precise and accurate.

Show never justified Viaan's actions, Viaan himself didn't justify his actions (he tried to in beginning but, he admitted his crime after Katha gave him the reality check), He never defended himself don't know why fans are doing this. Viaan changed doesn't mean Katha is accountable now. If black and white couples can marry to each other now, it doesn't mean apartheid was right or black race was responsible for this. Jo galti thi wo thi, abhi kya hai wo matter krta hai.

At the end of this video Ehsan was saying that he was blown away when the creative narrated story ahead/ how they are going to deal with this situation😀. Let us see Aisa kya hoga that he was blown away https://youtu.be/8sg4yevO5T8?si=zdJFxi9wn_g20eL8