So...what was the point of bringing in Abhinav? - Page 10

The character Abhinav was just introduced to create some friction between the main leads, to keep them apart for a while that was the whole purpose of his presence. He had no proper backstory,character development and his own arc in the show. The character Abhinav was mostly about insecurities and struggles. Just a reason for Akshara to stay away from Abhimanyu. Abhinav was her reason to hide truths and facts that she had conveniently forgotten over the years and this family she had formed made her believe this is her reality but ultimately she had to face the truth and reality, thus Abhinav who was just a certain phase of her life had to bid goodbye.

Abhinav's point was only one.

To separate Abhira and make Akshara, Abhir unreachable for Abhimanyu by adding boundaries.

Creating a happy bubble for Akshara after she got seperated from Abhimanyu, so that Abhimanyu sees that and has his own character growth because of it.

To teach Akshara how to not run away and "Rishta nibhana"

What Akshara and Abhimanyu have learnt by these turbulences in their individual life, and by seeing each other in last 7-8 months, will be used to bring them together.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Yes their understanding wasn't there. But knowing someone and understanding them is different and that's what we are disagreeing on. Knowing someone is knowing how they will react in situations and knowing what their values and preferences are. Knowing where their trauma comes from so you can help them through it.

Understanding someone is very different though and they definitely did not understand each other. They thought the other person's priorities and values itself was wrong. And like I said they prioritized their values and opinions over their relationship.

Now Abhi is trying to understand Ak more, but the lack of understanding is still there from Ak's side and that is being shown.

Having said that, everyone's subtly or largely different with different people. Different dynamics produce different results. I feel like Akshnav and Abhira shouldn't be held to the same standards because that's naturally unfair. Abhimanyu and Akshara had certain similarities that obviously allowed for certain depth and dynamics that Akshara couldn't have had with Abhinav owing to their vastly different backgrounds. I think there's a certain sort of vivacity, a certain temperament that Abhimanyu has inspired/can inspire in Akshara that Abhinav probably couldn't have (Akshnav had their own positives). I want to see how they move forward with that.

Originally posted by: shrutiraina007

Abhinav's point was only one.

To separate Abhira and make Akshara, Abhir unreachable for Abhimanyu by adding boundaries.

Creating a happy bubble for Akshara after she got seperated from Abhimanyu, so that Abhimanyu sees that and has his own character growth because of it.

To teach Akshara how to not run away and "Rishta nibhana"

What Akshara and Abhimanyu have learnt by these turbulences in their individual life, and by seeing each other in last 7-8 months, will be used to bring them together.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

This is a fair and insightful response! I've come to terms with something along those lines after the discussion so thank you for this. I'd just say that Akshara did not run away. She was driven away. There was no rishta left after the divorce for her to have nibhaoed at least as Abhimanyu's wife or partner or that ghar's bahu. She does owe him as Abhir's mom and that's a different thing.

I agree this happened she was driven away but from Birlas not Goenka but she chooses to hid from them also. It was actually only AbhiM and Aaru who were taking care of both the families. Kairav was mostly busy in his flamboyant activities. Surprisingly these two are only tagged as selfish (not defending Aaru but appreciating where it should be)

Again stark difference between Abhi and Akshara. What not had been said to him, he got jailed, pushed, mentally harrassed by everyone in Goenkas. His image was at stake. He got free coz Akshara stumbled upon the video proof not otherwise what if they didn't see this video for years. Yet AbhiM is there for them.

He could have been there for his son only but he is taking care of Akshara too. You know why coz people who lost someone close and never got the support knows how it feels and that's why he is there for them.

How strange is that both time he lost his favourite sister and brother. His wife wasn't there to lend him a shoulder to cry coz for her other things were more important. Even at Neil's death time Akshara's response was clear that she needs words of assurance that she did nothing wrong instead of once thinking let me take care of my husband now and we can talk and discuss this later and sort this. Explain him how i wasn't wrong. This is chalo still let's blame it on Abhi.

One thing I want to highlight that Akshara when she heard about still being pregnant with one baby was like Abhi main samjhti hun tum gussa ho, tumhra gussa seh lungi main, sab theek hojayega-- implying that she isn't that hurt with his anger and still wants him.

Then the sequence was - BP saying Abhi doesn't want to anything with Ak- in reality Abhi said I can't come but please go and get her back. Still he wanted her to be safe with Goenkas. So she didn't meet BP.

When she called Abhi- he was in hospital and was about to loose the last person he loved as family - his mother too so we can atleast give him a break for that - coz clearly Akshara's communication has gaps.

Then again a called happened he missed and called back when Abhinav picked and started talking gibberish Mr India, bacha hota toh (he could have said I am no one your wife is in hospital even if he would have skipped pregnancy part) we all know AbhiM would have come running for her. But he said basically Jale par Namak chidkna and he didn't said to Akshara that he want to do nothing with them but to a random guy k Haan nahi hai matlab jaao.

BP in Udaipur lied to AbhiM then said she doesn't want to come. He met her and she is happy and said she doesn't want to be back to him. He was like yeah makes sense that's what I said hum ek dusre k liye shyd nahi hai- let's not forget his mental health at this moment as well.

AK then 4 months later suddenly learnt how to say important stuff in one line and be done with it. Then rest is history.

So the only purpose of Abhinav was to create MU between Abhira and then create a bridge between them which isn't easy to cross. So to be together again they have to burn that bridge and be together for better.

In between they dragged it coz episode count 😆

Originally posted by: chaipaani

I agree this happened she was driven away but from Birlas not Goenka but she chooses to hid from them also. It was actually only AbhiM and Aaru who were taking care of both the families. Kairav was mostly busy in his flamboyant activities. Surprisingly these two are only tagged as selfish (not defending Aaru but appreciating where it should be)

Again stark difference between Abhi and Akshara. What not had been said to him, he got jailed, pushed, mentally harrassed by everyone in Goenkas. His image was at stake. He got free coz Akshara stumbled upon the video proof not otherwise what if they didn't see this video for years. Yet AbhiM is there for them.

He could have been there for his son only but he is taking care of Akshara too. You know why coz people who lost someone close and never got the support knows how it feels and that's why he is there for them.

How strange is that both time he lost his favourite sister and brother. His wife wasn't there to lend him a shoulder to cry coz for her other things were more important. Even at Neil's death time Akshara's response was clear that she needs words of assurance that she did nothing wrong instead of once thinking let me take care of my husband now and we can talk and discuss this later and sort this. Explain him how i wasn't wrong. This is chalo still let's blame it on Abhi.

One thing I want to highlight that Akshara when she heard about still being pregnant with one baby was like Abhi main samjhti hun tum gussa ho, tumhra gussa seh lungi main, sab theek hojayega-- implying that she isn't that hurt with his anger and still wants him.

Then the sequence was - BP saying Abhi doesn't want to anything with Ak- in reality Abhi said I can't come but please go and get her back. Still he wanted her to be safe with Goenkas. So she didn't meet BP.

When she called Abhi- he was in hospital and was about to loose the last person he loved as family - his mother too so we can atleast give him a break for that - coz clearly Akshara's communication has gaps.

Then again a called happened he missed and called back when Abhinav picked and started talking gibberish Mr India, bacha hota toh (he could have said I am know one your wife is in hospital even if he would have skipped pregnancy part) we all know AbhiM would have come running for her. But he said basically Jale par Namak chidkna and he didn't said to Akshara that he want to do nothing with them but to a random guy k Haan nahi hai matlab jaao.

BP in Udaipur lied to AbhiM then said she doesn't want to come. He met her and she is happy and said she doesn't want to be back to him. He was like yeah makes sense that's what I said hum ek dusre k liye shyd nahi hai- let's not forget his mental health at this moment as well.

AK then 4 months later suddenly learnt how to say important stuff in one line and be done with it. Then rest is history.

So the only purpose of Abhinav was to create MU between Abhira and then create a bridge between them which isn't easy to cross. So to be together again they have to burn that bridge and be together for better.

In between they dragged it coz episode count 😆

As far as Abhimanyu is considered: nothing defends what he did. It's not a matter as simple as hum ek doorse ke lye nahi hain and I'm not discounting his mental health. It's a matter of understanding what he'd done and said. He'd literally divorced her and said everything Arohi thought of her probably had a ring of truth to it. How could've she been happy after losing her kids and Neil and what he said? After being divorced and accused like that? Did he really know absolutely nothing about her? He was day and night taking care of a mother who had lost her son and couldn't even draw parallels between the pain of that mother and the mother of his children.

As far as her faults are concerned, Akshara did her best to be a good supporting spouse to him during the entire time their marriage lasted. The Khera thing was entirely her mistake and she wanted to come back and explain and deserved his anger, his wrath. What she didn't deserve was the absolute callous manner he treated their relationship and fast-tracked it to a divorce or the way he did not even give her the courtesy of explaining herself. Bharosa nahi tha pyaar toh tha. That's also what happened the second time. Divorce ke papers nikaalo cupboard se, chal mera bhai. Jis rishte mein har chaar mahine mein divorce ki ghanti bajjaati hai -- neither time initiated by her -- us rishte mein kaunsi larki kabhi bhi secure feel karegi? Divorce is the last resort when you have utterly, completely, wholly exhausted every other way of making a relationship work. Yahaan toh mazaak banake rakha hua tha. So Akshara the partner owes Abhimanyu nothing. In fact, if they ever get together romantically, the onus of proving he's not going to divorce her in a quick flash falls on Abhimanyu. Having said that, Abhimanyu is a bigger person when it comes to forgiving the things done to him, of that I have no doubt. His fatherhood snatched and his emotions snubbed; he's been treated vilely by the Goenkas and Abhir's mother. And all that you said regarding that is pretty justified.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Fair enough! You're right about her running away from the Goenkas. Although I would blame both Goenkas and Akshara over this. Whatever her initial reasons had been for running away, once she found out she was still carrying one of her children, she should have returned to her family to ensure the child remained safe. Not trusting her own family during that time of duress made no sense because she had a child to think of apart from herself. The Goenkas also let her go. Which is why I blame them equally. They knew how traumatized and alone she was and put barely any effort in bringing her back. Your daughter has been missing for 6-7 months and you're all fine with it going about your day?

As far as Abhimanyu is considered: nothing defends what he did. It's not a matter as simple as hum ek doorse ke lye nahi hain and I'm not discounting his mental health. It's a matter of understanding what he'd done and said. He'd literally divorced her and said everything Arohi thought of her probably had a ring of truth to it. How could've she been happy after losing her kids and Neil and what he said? After being divorced and accused like that? Did he really know absolutely nothing about her? He was day and night taking care of a mother who had lost her son and couldn't even draw parallels between the pain of that mother and the mother of his children.

As far as her faults are concerned, Akshara did her best to be a good supporting spouse to him during the entire time their marriage lasted. The Khera thing was entirely her mistake and she wanted to come back and explain and deserved his anger, his wrath. What she didn't deserve was the absolute callous manner he treated their relationship and fast-tracked it to a divorce or the way he did not even give her the courtesy of explaining herself. Bharosa nahi tha pyaar toh tha. That's also what happened the second time. Divorce ke papers nikaalo cupboard se, chal mera bhai. Jis rishte mein har chaar mahine mein divorce ki ghanti bajjaati hai -- neither time initiated by her -- us rishte mein kaunsi larki kabhi bhi secure feel karegi? Divorce is the last resort when you have utterly, completely, wholly exhausted every other way of making a relationship work. Yahaan toh mazaak banake rakha hua tha. So Akshara the partner owes Abhimanyu nothing. In fact, if they ever get together romantically, the onus of proving he's not going to divorce her in a quick flash falls on Abhimanyu. Having said that, Abhimanyu is a bigger person when it comes to forgiving the things done to him, of that I have no doubt. His fatherhood snatched and his emotions snubbed; he's been treated vilely by the Goenkas and Abhir's mother. And all that you said regarding that is pretty justified.

See that's the whole point no one is saying Abhimanyu wasn't wrong. He was way out of line that day.

I personally like this character over others is because he when he met her 6 years later, before leaving thinking he may not have to see her again said I am sorry about bringing Sirat topic. He himself said gussa chahe kitna bhi jayaj ho har cheez ka haq nahi deta.

He clearly thought about that day over the years and came to this point. And he has been punished for his anger he was replaced in his son's life wasn't aware.

The girl he loved with all his heart didn't even thought to inform him when he was about to die.

Even after that he is sorry.

Like i said somewhere else that day AbhiM was wrong. Action reaction let's keep it apart.

But now years later if you look in retrospect Akshara is in more wrong.

Like Abhi said Gussa kitna bhi jayaj ho har cheez ka haq nahi deta applies to Akshara too. Her words to him constantly over these months.

He too has been blamed coming back to that day as circle. He blamed her she blamed him. Making it that No one is better than the other. What we do after that makes us a better person and i have explained that in my previous comment.

About Goenkas and Akshara. I supported her leaving them too till the time she decides to hail them as a great family again. If they were so great then why didn't she took their support.

Isn't this what Abhimanyu said socha karo kuch krne se phele. Anything could have happened to her or her baby yet she decided to struggle and not take help of her great family. Both things can't go hand in hand.

And many things related to her is like she wants best of the both world basis her convenience. That's where makers have failed in my view.

It's fictional right why make her say the whole relationship was a qaid and when your plan is to eventually unite them 😂

Why make her hid from Goenkas and then make her say aplog mere great fam ho...

Too funny in my view.

Originally posted by: chaipaani

See that's the whole point no one is saying Abhimanyu wasn't wrong. He was way out of line that day.

I personally like this character over others is because he when he met her 6 years later, before leaving thinking he may not have to see her again said I am sorry about bringing Sirat topic. He himself said gussa chahe kitna bhi jayaj ho har cheez ka haq nahi deta.

He clearly thought about that day over the years and came to this point. And he has been punished for his anger he was replaced in his son's life wasn't aware.

The girl he loved with all his heart didn't even thought to inform him when he was about to die.

Even after that he is sorry.

Like i said somewhere else that day AbhiM was wrong. Action reaction let's keep it apart.

But now years later if you look in retrospect Akshara is in more wrong.

Like Abhi said Gussa kitna bhi jayaj ho har cheez ka haq nahi deta applies to Akshara too. Her words to him constantly over these months.

He too has been blamed coming back to that day as circle. He blamed her she blamed him. Making it that No one is better than the other. What we do after that makes us a better person and i have explained that in my previous comment.

About Goenkas and Akshara. I supported her leaving them too till the time she decides to hail them as a great family again. If they were so great then why didn't she took their support.

Isn't this what Abhimanyu said socha karo kuch krne se phele. Anything could have happened to her or her baby yet she decided to struggle and not take help of her great family. Both things can't go hand in hand.

And many things related to her is like she wants best of the both world basis her convenience. That's where makers have failed in my view.

It's fictional right why make her say the whole relationship was a qaid and when your plan is to eventually unite them 😂

Why make her hid from Goenkas and then make her say aplog mere great fam ho...

Too funny in my view.

As for Akshara, she needs to bridge the gap between him and Abhir, apologize, and realize that she has kept a son from his father and sabotaged their relationship. Neither of them can undo the damage they've caused. And when they come together it has to be with a realization on both ends. It's just for me the wounds they have to heal are very different.

She called their relationship umar qaid? This is so ironic considering 'qaid' hoti toh rishte ki koi umar bhi hoti. Umar qaid nahi thi jabhi alag the.😆

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Fair enough! You're right about her running away from the Goenkas. Although I would blame both Goenkas and Akshara over this. Whatever her initial reasons had been for running away, once she found out she was still carrying one of her children, she should have returned to her family to ensure the child remained safe. Not trusting her own family during that time of duress made no sense because she had a child to think of apart from herself. The Goenkas also let her go. Which is why I blame them equally. They knew how traumatized and alone she was and put barely any effort in bringing her back. Your daughter has been missing for 6-7 months and you're all fine with it going about your day?

As far as Abhimanyu is considered: nothing defends what he did. It's not a matter as simple as hum ek doorse ke lye nahi hain and I'm not discounting his mental health. It's a matter of understanding what he'd done and said. He'd literally divorced her and said everything Arohi thought of her probably had a ring of truth to it. How could've she been happy after losing her kids and Neil and what he said? After being divorced and accused like that? Did he really know absolutely nothing about her? He was day and night taking care of a mother who had lost her son and couldn't even draw parallels between the pain of that mother and the mother of his children.

As far as her faults are concerned, Akshara did her best to be a good supporting spouse to him during the entire time their marriage lasted. The Khera thing was entirely her mistake and she wanted to come back and explain and deserved his anger, his wrath. What she didn't deserve was the absolute callous manner he treated their relationship and fast-tracked it to a divorce or the way he did not even give her the courtesy of explaining herself. Bharosa nahi tha pyaar toh tha. That's also what happened the second time. Divorce ke papers nikaalo cupboard se, chal mera bhai. Jis rishte mein har chaar mahine mein divorce ki ghanti bajjaati hai -- neither time initiated by her -- us rishte mein kaunsi larki kabhi bhi secure feel karegi? Divorce is the last resort when you have utterly, completely, wholly exhausted every other way of making a relationship work. Yahaan toh mazaak banake rakha hua tha. So Akshara the partner owes Abhimanyu nothing. In fact, if they ever get together romantically, the onus of proving he's not going to divorce her in a quick flash falls on Abhimanyu. Having said that, Abhimanyu is a bigger person when it comes to forgiving the things done to him, of that I have no doubt. His fatherhood snatched and his emotions snubbed; he's been treated vilely by the Goenkas and Abhir's mother. And all that you said regarding that is pretty justified.

Abhimanyu has done his fair share of mistakes yet his growth as a character post leap is also impressive, even as a flawed character he stands out for the same reason.

Akshara post leap didn’t have much progress as a character and lacked the depth.This is my personal point of view.

Her running away from her problems was the bigger problem and not informing her family but choosing the unknown path was yet another naive, impulsive choice.She too has her positives but lost the essence of her character post leap.But the recent episodes give hope since she is focusing on her career while showing more empathy towards people around her and overcoming her fears,anxieties.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Knowing and understanding are not different. They are two levels in the same hierarchy. Details --> Patterns --> Understanding. First you see certain details repeat over time and box them into patterns and then you understand the intrinsic and extrinsic motivations driving those patterns. And even the patterns carry connotations. Whether you attach positive ideas or negative ideas to patterns is also very subjective which means often your understanding is colored by the right/wrong/better/worse ideas you attach to those patterns. You cannot understand without knowing. That's not how it works. Plus just the data set tells you more time = more patterns = more understanding. There's also the fact that you see certain things from certain angles. The Abhimanyu Manjiri sees and 'knows' is a very different Abhimanyu compared to the one Akshara saw and knew and thought she understood. Akshara saw Abhimanyu and Abhinav both through the lens of a partner first and vice versa. A relationship like a partnership lasts as long as you are willing to bet on the other person positively. That requires faith and faith requires that intrinsic understanding and comfort that compounds over time. Time is what strengthens faith and understanding. Let's not underscore any of that.

Having said that, everyone's subtly or largely different with different people. Different dynamics produce different results. I feel like Akshnav and Abhira shouldn't be held to the same standards because that's naturally unfair. Abhimanyu and Akshara had certain similarities that obviously allowed for certain depth and dynamics that Akshara couldn't have had with Abhinav owing to their vastly different backgrounds. I think there's a certain sort of vivacity, a certain temperament that Abhimanyu has inspired/can inspire in Akshara that Abhinav probably couldn't have (Akshnav had their own positives). I want to see how they move forward with that.

Knowing and understanding are hugely different. I agree that they often feed into each other. But the only reason for Nav to understand Ak was that he himself was like her in a lot of ways and has similar values. So it's similarity that fed into his understanding her. I think the basic concept is that Abhira are poles apart in who they are as people. Even though Abhi loved Ak, doesn't mean he agreed with her decisions or priorities. Even when Nav didn't love Ak, he still agreed with her decisions. That is the difference.

Otherwise how can Nav know anything about Ak? He didn't even know she came from a rich family or that her ex was just a normal person. He only knew the story from her perspective and even that only in bits and pieces. Once he knew Abhi, he himself was confused about Ak's decisions. Same when he went to Goenkas house. In a bubble Navra might have made sense and might have known each other, but not in the real world.