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Originally posted by: Moonks

which case?

Paise nahi diye the

Originally posted by: Palak2812

Paise nahi diye the

Originally posted by: Moonks

GM🤔😡

What is GM?

Originally posted by: Pete15rogmourey

What is GM?

Originally posted by: Moonks

Greedy Modi😆

Nice I'm going to use it from now on 🤣

Wishing you a very happy birthday Arpi🥳🤗

Originally posted by: Moonks

I was saying this since ages

@red

@green exactly my point, he made a choice but everyone believes that he was forced to make a choice, and if that was the case then also he put himself in that situation, he was a warrior could have defeated Duryodhana and the party, if he cared so much about doing the right thing but he did not, all he cared about how his decision should not be viewed as selfishness, it may all be in mind but that’s what pisses me off and the promo yesterday, reminded me of the way TV Bheeshma used to behave, saara raita failake bolta itna ganda ghar kaise hua

and I am so happy that it’s DB’s plan, reason May be anything but the fact that he knew how low his successors can stoop to get the chairmanship is something many won’t show, DB is a businessman since years and him easily coming in DGD’s trap was so incomprehensible🤷‍♀️

Thankyou for your response, this is my problem with the TV shows. Bheeshm was always a strong patriarch, no one dared to go against him, and to be honest actually loved him way too much to do a thing which might offend him, the most "indecent" or "insulting thing" Duryodhan ever said to him was politely saying that Karna has agreed to kill Pandavas while Bheeshm isn't ready to kill them so how can they ensure his victory(Since Karna had told that he wouldn't participate till Bheeshm is the CIC, so this line was to ask if he could either convince Karna to join under him or he could step down as CIC, but in the most indirect way) and in a situation when one of his most powerful soldier was not in the war and he needed his support

TV shows bring up a non existent oath of his that he had vowed to remain loyal to the throne, when not even once he did that.

@bold forget fighting or defeating, had he just said that what is happening in Dwit Sabha is wrong or supported when Draupadi said Yudhisthir didnt have a right to stake her after becoming a slave, Duryodhan would have stopped it, just like he freed Draupadi once Dhritrashtra freed her. It wasn't like he couldn't, thing is he didn't...

Also to be honest In my personal opinion Karna wouldn't have dared to ask for her disrobe unless he was sure that Bheeshm wouldn't mind

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Thankyou for your response, this is my problem with the TV shows. Bheeshm was always a strong patriarch, no one dared to go against him, and to be honest actually loved him way too much to do a thing which might offend him, the most "indecent" or "insulting thing" Duryodhan ever said to him was politely saying that Karna has agreed to kill Pandavas while Bheeshm isn't ready to kill them so how can they ensure his victory(Since Karna had told that he wouldn't participate till Bheeshm is the CIC, so this line was to ask if he could either convince Karna to join under him or he could step down as CIC, but in the most indirect way) and in a situation when one of his most powerful soldier was not in the war and he needed his support

TV shows bring up a non existent oath of his that he had vowed to remain loyal to the throne, when not even once he did that.

@bold forget fighting or defeating, had he just said that what is happening in Dwit Sabha is wrong or supported when Draupadi said Yudhisthir didnt have a right to stake her after becoming a slave, Duryodhan would have stopped it, just like he freed Draupadi once Dhritrashtra freed her. It wasn't like he couldn't, thing is he didn't...

Also to be honest In my personal opinion Karna wouldn't have dared to ask for her disrobe unless he was sure that Bheeshm wouldn't mind

Edt 7 page 31 for context...

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Thankyou for your response, this is my problem with the TV shows. Bheeshm was always a strong patriarch, no one dared to go against him, and to be honest actually loved him way too much to do a thing which might offend him, the most "indecent" or "insulting thing" Duryodhan ever said to him was politely saying that Karna has agreed to kill Pandavas while Bheeshm isn't ready to kill them so how can they ensure his victory(Since Karna had told that he wouldn't participate till Bheeshm is the CIC, so this line was to ask if he could either convince Karna to join under him or he could step down as CIC, but in the most indirect way) and in a situation when one of his most powerful soldier was not in the war and he needed his support

TV shows bring up a non existent oath of his that he had vowed to remain loyal to the throne, when not even once he did that.

@bold forget fighting or defeating, had he just said that what is happening in Dwit Sabha is wrong or supported when Draupadi said Yudhisthir didnt have a right to stake her after becoming a slave, Duryodhan would have stopped it, just like he freed Draupadi once Dhritrashtra freed her. It wasn't like he couldn't, thing is he didn't...

Also to be honest In my personal opinion Karna wouldn't have dared to ask for her disrobe unless he was sure that Bheeshm wouldn't mind

Originally posted by: Moonks

the point is why he did not do that? Why was he silent? Does the OG has the answer to this? I feel that even ITV has distorted the facts, they at-least made it reasonable, I know whatever they did that was wrong, but I don’t know how to explain it, but his bechara avatar is more better than this, what he was actually trying to do here?? And about karna, the thing is that when you allow an outsider in your home by giving him the freedom he wants means you have given him the power to destroy it, karna has always been clear with it I guess, that he wants to destroy them or whatever his agenda was and the point is why Bheeshma allowed to do that? Does he want to take revenge for the oath he took on his own? Or later on he realised how stupid he and his family is so he chose to die🤔

No reasons ever given. Only thing he did not do anything about it, when Draupadi said Shakuni cheated (obviously she was making up since she wasn't in spot to know whether or not he cheated), he could have taken the cue and immediately said that he too doubts that Shakuni cheated, or else said that since there are suspicions hence replay is needed, he didn't do anything, doesn't this mean he had silent support to it? Or at least that he was uninterested on whatever happens? When Vidur can say, Vikarana can support why can't he? Except for the reason that he didn't want to.

If you ask my personal opinion,(strictly my opinion post this part) he had much more power in Hastinapur that it would have been in Indraprastha, Yudhishthir kept Krishna at top the way Duryodhan and Dhritrashtra kept Bheeshm, yes Bheeshm was highly regarded by Pandavas, but say wise he wouldn't have had that importance with them. Like Krishna and Bheeshm didn't have any legal rights but most of the time their words was the final decision in the respective side (obviously not always, since many times their suggestions were ignored). If you take it in a very practical way, why shouldn't he support Duryodhan over Yudhisthir? Also Duryodhan wasn't completely wrong in his claim for the throne, BORI scholars opine that he had higher rights than Yudhisthir(thought I don't completely agree here). He was actually a great king (not like DJ in anyway). You might say he tried killing Bheem as kid, but that's what kings of past did. Asoka killed his brothers, Haranyaka's killed their father to inherit throne for generations (Ajatshatru, Uddayan, his son all killed their fathers) and these were all considered great kings, we might not like it but removing challenges to throne wasn't considered bad back then, just like abducting women for marriage wasn't. That was kind of a Kshatriya honor for them.

Just to think out of two grandsons (he never considered them grand nephews but grandsons) you love equally, and who are equally good governors, if you need to chose one, won't you chose the one who you know will give you more importance in his reign? Yes he felt bad when Pandavas were hurt because he loved them as his grandsons and wanted best for them, but why shall he have same feeling for Draupadi? Women were never more than status symbol for these people, and Bheeshm was the biggest misogynist in Mahabahrat (read Anushashan Parva and his views of women) And if Pandavas are fool enough to lose everything in a game of dice why shall he care? He wanted Duryodhan to return Pandavas land to them after 13 years as a good grandfather, but didn't say a word for Draupadi, goes to show who and what mattered to him.

I don't think Karna wanted to destroy them, he wouldn't have gained anything out of it, but Duryodhan in power was definitely in his favour. He was saddist kind of person who enjoyed miseries of his enemies, but Karna and Bheeshm were always loggerheads later (once he started becoming more important to Duryodhan maybe Bheeshm feared his position or maybe he actually saw what a bad influence Karna was on Duryodhan), but either ways he always kept Karna in control at least in public, if Karna was able to go ahead and make such an order to Dusshashan and is never questioned about it, clearly means Bheeshm wasn't against this act(maybe not in favour of it but not completely against it either, it was nothing more than a momentary sad feeling to him)

@bold this is a good take, I always thought in this way, but never got any reason to support this thought of mine, but Bheeshm as the mastermind aiming to destroy Kuru clan was my fantasy always, which no TV show will ever dare to show, hence I am so much rooting for an evil DB here