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So finally Meerasim meet .... I have skipped their separation track....who's baby is Meerab holding? 😲

Originally posted by: x.titli.x

So finally Meerasim meet .... I have skipped their separation track....who's baby is Meerab holding? 😲

MK & Meerub’s

Originally posted by: ddppkkrr

MK & Meerub’s

Huh ? 😲 you mean after the MR drama? 😲

So it was real ?

Originally posted by: x.titli.x

Huh ? 😲 you mean after the MR drama? 😲

So it was real ?

Everyone is interpreting this differently. I don’t believe it was MR - I believe that this was used as a hook by the TB writer, director and PH which backfired on them.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/163459134

I know my reply is more than two weeks late (and coincides with the 'Murtasim Bashing' time of the TBverse 😉), but I need to do this.

Out of all your beautiful analyses on TB, this had to be the favourite of mine (I will tell you why!), hence when I first rushed through it, I knew I had to take my time to read this one, but one thing or the other kept coming. Since we are reaching the end of this beautiful journey, it seems that I no longer can put this behind.

While watching the first few episodes, I was so convinced that Meerab and Murtasim had a ‘shared’ history that was hidden before the story’s onset, so much so that when Murtasim said ‘Woh meri chahat thi’, for a moment, I believed that he was taking about Meerab. The undercurrent between these two could not be ignored, so I was literally going mad with the confusion! Thus, the clarity of this post of yours made me really happy – proved that I may not be imagining things or at least few others in the TB fandom are insane as me (both possibilities are OK with me). And you have penned everything so beautifully and put forth some noteworthy points.

Starting from their very first interaction, whenever they collide the underlying proprietorship was palpable. There were literally no qualms of invading each other’s personal spaces. There were neither introductions nor pleasantries during the call he made to her (the only one call we saw them making!), rather a heap of authority from both sides. As you rightly said, he was totally in the ‘jealous BF avatar’ during the birthday party thrown by Rohail and was almost accusing her through his eyes for Rohail’s questioning about his rights over her. Such possessiveness could not be possibly explained using their cousin relationship, right? Further, although Meerab showed resistance to all those hand-pullings, she always let him do that too!

Murtasim’s love for Meerab pre-marriage was always like the case of sour grapes. He knew that he was not included in her grand plans for life. As you said, his reaction to the engagement announcement was a perfect indication (the whole sequence was brilliant, of course, sans Haya’s part!) – he looked more worried about her reaction, almost afraid of her rejection as he knew that it is what was coming. When he barged into his room angrily, the flash backs were of the ‘respect – disrespect’ dialogue and her ‘apni marzi ka maalik’ statement – his ego and her stubbornness. Camera focuses on him throwing his coat – his power and his authority, while Meerab kicks the ‘khaandani kangan’ – her callous dismissal of any possibility of including him in her life. When it was back on him, with their romantic tune in the background, he is on his throne and he had made his decision – she is his desiderium, something he lost even before having it. It would have hurt him less if he rejects her before she does. His rejection is his defensive mechanism to protect himself and her – he was not bluffing when he said to his mother to protect Meerab from him. He knew the strength of his longing for her and her unwillingness to allow him into her life. Two powerful hurricanes colliding together to merge into create complete destruction (Before the ‘Dargah scene’ got me hooked into the drama, it was the infamous slap scene I saw first. So, I really cannot shake this thought of mine that they both represent two uncontrolled storms!). As you always say Gun, only they could survive this! Whether he had completely realised he is in love with her at this point or not, I am not sure (Let’s just say I want to strongly believe he had this epiphany at the Dargah).

In the ‘Chai scene’ of Ep. 03, he masked his emotions when she throws their incompatibility on his face, clearly rejecting him (though he clearly didn’t do the same in the parallel scene after their marriage – he was hurt here, and he let it show!). However, Meerab almost showed a slight disbelief and hurt when he said that ‘she doesn’t deserve to be married to him’. It seems that she had an air of haughtiness around her regarding his feelings for her (and it remained even after the marriage as well). Cut to the scene where she said ‘yes’ to the marriage, you were absolutely on spot – she was sure he would agree once she said yes (Even MB was sure about this!). He even shakes his head asking her to not say yes – because he knows she is unwilling, and her decision is made out of despair. It was not her consent, and he knew that. And note that he didn’t really deny either, ‘I need time to think, I have not said yes yet!’ he said. Her look was defiant, daring him to reject her. Her acceptance, no matter how it came, weakened the walls he built around his feelings. Her vulnerability managed to break all his shackles and he chose her over his ego; his question to her was whether she ‘STILL’ hates him, as he was 100% sure that she hated him.

And I totally agree with you that Murtasim was apologetic to MB when he accepted falling in love with his wife. Not only that, the two times he said that he loves her, there was an additional ‘really’ in it – I really love her/ I really love you. The stressing of the word ‘really’ hints an attempt to convince. Though the ‘chaahat’ revelation scene was a beauty itself, it was not his love confession. Rather he was trying to convince her to believe and accept his love. She already knew he loves her; he does not need to say that. But as she had already told him, she doesn’t believe in his love. She is holding herself from accepting her love for him and does not give a proper answer when he asked what stops her from loving him (Ep. 39).

{QUOTE}

“She has monologues in episodes 14, 38 about her feelings for Murtasim. She says I could never like ‘YOU’, I could only hate ‘YOU’, I could never love ‘YOU’, I will never believe in ‘YOUR’ words. Her stressing the word ‘YOU’ reflects that she is accusing him of a specific crime that goes beyond just forced marriage, this is a personal charge against him, he has done something that she can’t forgive him for.”

Murtasim not rejecting their alliance was what I always perceived as Meerab’s grudge against him – his immediate crime. It also seemed like she falsely accused him of being a part of the plotting that went around to make her accept the proposal – her dialogues before the ‘slap’ scene proves that. But you are right, it could also be that she misunderstood him also being a part of her ‘parentage saazish’, which could validate her inability to believe in his love. And yes, all her monologues strongly stress that ‘YOU’, it was almost as she is condemning herself for even thinking about him in those lines.

But what was his crime that she is so unable to forget and forgive? And you are absolutely right, that the miscommunication is the Achilles heel of their relationship. She was punishing him for a crime that he doesn’t know about, while he was holding patiently for her to come out of her trauma of her lost life and accept him. Regarding the crime Meerab hold him accountable for, though I am not sure whether there is any that makers would show us, I have a feeling that Haya may have a hand in this too. There are few insignificant moments that I believe hinted towards something and apparently, Haya also has a backstory (please, have some mercy on us!), we just have to wait and see - I guess just one more week.

Sorry for the long post, on top of yours. But whenever I read your analyses, my mind jumps with joy – In my head I am always like, ‘Exactly, right!’ ‘See, I was not hallucinating!’ – And of course, you have a better insight into things and pens down everything so poetically. I would never get tired of saying this Gun, your analyses are beautiful and thank you for taking the time to share them with us! 👏

Originally posted by: altr

I’m not pissed off at the episode any more than I was with its precap last week. In fact, this episode only aligned with my earlier analysis.

The episode highlighted a few things:

1. Haya has been adamantly refusing every proposal throughout the year

2. MK’s doubt on Haya. He again questioned her if she was involved in Meerab leaving.

Why did he ask her this? He was giving her a chance to come clean and go scot free. With her lie, she lost her chance and his mercy.

3. Haya could have answered a simple ‘no’, she could have escaped. Her answer was the most apparent lie on MK’s face: Had I been there, Meerab would have been here

He knew it’s a lie.

4. Thank God for small mercies. MK didn’t allow H to put that ring on him. Notice he wore the ring on his own. And he didn’t bother to wait for formalities and mu meetha karna.

MK kisi ka jhoota nahi khata

5. MK again recalled the scene about losing umeed and promising Haya the ring.

Why would the makers insert this fb while giving us devdas MK simultaneously? He hasn’t lost umeed.

6. MK’s body language throughout the episode, his subtle eye rolls, eyes twitching, jaw ticking at Haya’s antics.

7. MK’s silence when Anwar defends Meerab. He was not ashamed. He should be ashamed if he’s moving on so quickly after claiming to love his daughter, no?

This was such a deja vu of Waqas’s adalat and MK’s silence.

8. And why would Anwar specifically talk about ‘Intezaar’? Hasn’t MK been saying ishq is ‘intezaar’?

9. How come Anwar has suddenly grown a spine and is speaking for Meerab when it is a story about MK’s ishq and intezaar?

Sure, Anwar gets a redemption, but never at the cost of the writer’s favourite character.

10. Haya’s monologue during the engagement. Confirmation: She never loved Murtasim. It was always MK and the power of being his Begum. So there’s hope for no redemption for her. She won’t become mahaan and sacrifice something she isn’t capable of.😆

But the harsh facts remain:

1. Meerab is being character assasinated publicly. MK has allowed this.

2. This is a public engagement. MK is going along with it.

It was almost comic that he dragged his hand as soon as she started slipping the ring. Let alone 'jhoota', he did not accept the glass of water she offered - he didn't in the Ep.01, not even in the Ep. 55. Indeed, small mercies 😉

Was there any doubt about Haya's intentions? If she loves him as she claims to be, wouldn't she feel for his suffering? It has always been the 'power of being the Khannum' for her, nothing else. She has hoodwinked everyone to believe that she loves him, that now she herself has become delusional.

Regarding Anwar, my thoughts are, he was always the 'spare' of the family. He is wired to follow the orders of the elders - first probably his father, his elder brother, then after his brother's demise his sister-in-law. He was trained to be in the shadow - unlike the heir of the family, so the trait must have become an inherent for him. So he is always unable to go against the matriarch of the family. But, losing his daughter may have hit him harder and the grief could make you do unthinkable.

All your other points are valid and very correctly pointed out too. Let's just hang in there 😊

Just love ❤️your post. Was waiting for your analysis.. reading two of your posts has just made my day!!! Will miss your analysis as the show comes to an end … I really want to read your take on why he is marrying haya when he is not even let her put the ring properly..

Originally posted by: anu41982

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/163459134

I know my reply is more than two weeks late (and coincides with the 'Murtasim Bashing' time of the TBverse 😉), but I need to do this.

Out of all your beautiful analyses on TB, this had to be the favourite of mine (I will tell you why!), hence when I first rushed through it, I knew I had to take my time to read this one, but one thing or the other kept coming. Since we are reaching the end of this beautiful journey, it seems that I no longer can put this behind.

While watching the first few episodes, I was so convinced that Meerab and Murtasim had a ‘shared’ history that was hidden before the story’s onset, so much so that when Murtasim said ‘Woh meri chahat thi’, for a moment, I believed that he was taking about Meerab. The undercurrent between these two could not be ignored, so I was literally going mad with the confusion! Thus, the clarity of this post of yours made me really happy – proved that I may not be imagining things or at least few others in the TB fandom are insane as me (both possibilities are OK with me). And you have penned everything so beautifully and put forth some noteworthy points.

Starting from their very first interaction, whenever they collide the underlying proprietorship was palpable. There were literally no qualms of invading each other’s personal spaces. There were neither introductions nor pleasantries during the call he made to her (the only one call we saw them making!), rather a heap of authority from both sides. As you rightly said, he was totally in the ‘jealous BF avatar’ during the birthday party thrown by Rohail and was almost accusing her through his eyes for Rohail’s questioning about his rights over her. Such possessiveness could not be possibly explained using their cousin relationship, right? Further, although Meerab showed resistance to all those hand-pullings, she always let him do that too!

Murtasim’s love for Meerab pre-marriage was always like the case of sour grapes. He knew that he was not included in her grand plans for life. As you said, his reaction to the engagement announcement was a perfect indication (the whole sequence was brilliant, of course, sans Haya’s part!) – he looked more worried about her reaction, almost afraid of her rejection as he knew that it is what was coming. When he barged into his room angrily, the flash backs were of the ‘respect – disrespect’ dialogue and her ‘apni marzi ka maalik’ statement – his ego and her stubbornness. Camera focuses on him throwing his coat – his power and his authority, while Meerab kicks the ‘khaandani kangan’ – her callous dismissal of any possibility of including him in her life. When it was back on him, with their romantic tune in the background, he is on his throne and he had made his decision – she is his desiderium, something he lost even before having it. It would have hurt him less if he rejects her before she does. His rejection is his defensive mechanism to protect himself and her – he was not bluffing when he said to his mother to protect Meerab from him. He knew the strength of his longing for her and her unwillingness to allow him into her life. Two powerful hurricanes colliding together to merge into create complete destruction (Before the ‘Dargah scene’ got me hooked into the drama, it was the infamous slap scene I saw first. So, I really cannot shake this thought of mine that they both represent two uncontrolled storms!). As you always say Gun, only they could survive this! Whether he had completely realised he is in love with her at this point or not, I am not sure (Let’s just say I want to strongly believe he had this epiphany at the Dargah).

In the ‘Chai scene’ of Ep. 03, he masked his emotions when she throws their incompatibility on his face, clearly rejecting him (though he clearly didn’t do the same in the parallel scene after their marriage – he was hurt here, and he let it show!). However, Meerab almost showed a slight disbelief and hurt when he said that ‘she doesn’t deserve to be married to him’. It seems that she had an air of haughtiness around her regarding his feelings for her (and it remained even after the marriage as well). Cut to the scene where she said ‘yes’ to the marriage, you were absolutely on spot – she was sure he would agree once she said yes (Even MB was sure about this!). He even shakes his head asking her to not say yes – because he knows she is unwilling, and her decision is made out of despair. It was not her consent, and he knew that. And note that he didn’t really deny either, ‘I need time to think, I have not said yes yet!’ he said. Her look was defiant, daring him to reject her. Her acceptance, no matter how it came, weakened the walls he built around his feelings. Her vulnerability managed to break all his shackles and he chose her over his ego; his question to her was whether she ‘STILL’ hates him, as he was 100% sure that she hated him.

And I totally agree with you that Murtasim was apologetic to MB when he accepted falling in love with his wife. Not only that, the two times he said that he loves her, there was an additional ‘really’ in it – I really love her/ I really love you. The stressing of the word ‘really’ hints an attempt to convince. Though the ‘chaahat’ revelation scene was a beauty itself, it was not his love confession. Rather he was trying to convince her to believe and accept his love. She already knew he loves her; he does not need to say that. But as she had already told him, she doesn’t believe in his love. She is holding herself from accepting her love for him and does not give a proper answer when he asked what stops her from loving him (Ep. 39).

{QUOTE}

“She has monologues in episodes 14, 38 about her feelings for Murtasim. She says I could never like ‘YOU’, I could only hate ‘YOU’, I could never love ‘YOU’, I will never believe in ‘YOUR’ words. Her stressing the word ‘YOU’ reflects that she is accusing him of a specific crime that goes beyond just forced marriage, this is a personal charge against him, he has done something that she can’t forgive him for.”

Murtasim not rejecting their alliance was what I always perceived as Meerab’s grudge against him – his immediate crime. It also seemed like she falsely accused him of being a part of the plotting that went around to make her accept the proposal – her dialogues before the ‘slap’ scene proves that. But you are right, it could also be that she misunderstood him also being a part of her ‘parentage saazish’, which could validate her inability to believe in his love. And yes, all her monologues strongly stress that ‘YOU’, it was almost as she is condemning herself for even thinking about him in those lines.

But what was his crime that she is so unable to forget and forgive? And you are absolutely right, that the miscommunication is the Achilles heel of their relationship. She was punishing him for a crime that he doesn’t know about, while he was holding patiently for her to come out of her trauma of her lost life and accept him. Regarding the crime Meerab hold him accountable for, though I am not sure whether there is any that makers would show us, I have a feeling that Haya may have a hand in this too. There are few insignificant moments that I believe hinted towards something and apparently, Haya also has a backstory (please, have some mercy on us!), we just have to wait and see - I guess just one more week.

Sorry for the long post, on top of yours. But whenever I read your analyses, my mind jumps with joy – In my head I am always like, ‘Exactly, right!’ ‘See, I was not hallucinating!’ – And of course, you have a better insight into things and pens down everything so poetically. I would never get tired of saying this Gun, your analyses are beautiful and thank you for taking the time to share them with us! 👏

Black and White ( my version)

ME made MK her Muhafiz (he was wearing white) the day he took her back to her foster parents house and later to dargah..

On day of Nikaah, MK lost his bed... ME the queen took over.. The king was now a knight.. a king in name only

Akhri faisla tau MK ka hoga in yam's case ended up being the akhri faisla of ME the queen... the queen did not consult her knight.

It was the fight of queen's( ME and H). MK was just brawn in this case.. in case of coup you find support you build up the case and that is exactly what H did.. she used and created the case to throw ME out... it was a coup and the only way to gain legitimacy in coup is to get the crown is quickly as possible... it took 2 years in this case.. She got MB and finally MK

MK has completely destroyed ME's kirdar in his jealous paranoia.. you say the lie multiple times it becomes the truth.. he didnt stop MB, didnt stop H.. each time he showed disgust it was for himself and his lie but didnt stop any one..

MK could not lie on the bed as that was the queen's bed..

Now ME is back on Nikaah wearing black which is garment of "sog" - mourning and her character in shreds and tarnished by family and outsiders.. MK is wearing white... knight is back but does not know what he is fighting... Mk had said tod ke pe jod dunga ( epi 11) .. just when he thought everything is over ... in enters ME with MEE ( in light yellow and pink).. the colors that ME favored.. MK is now MEE's knight and he will have to clear ME's name and MEE's legitmacy.. Nikaah was the platform needed to clear ME's name .. it had to come to this big an event to not only show the mirror but also to clear the character in a public way.. will MK be able to clear ME's name..He will have to fight MB !!

Mohabbat, ishq is good but nothing can build a relationship like trust and respect..ME above everyone.. not just a thought but what she says and feels over everyone

You cant say ME is your queen and keep disrespecting her at each step.."Disrespect tau main tab karu jab mein tumhari respect karu"... this applies for MK more than ME.

MK has to fight and will have to get ME's respect back before anything.. he is ready to lose everything and looks like he will.

I reached this analysis after reading amazing Cera on twitter ( has done such fantastic work on symbolism and tales), anu and Gunn

I have no idea what role the chain played in this process.

my theory is bit different.. I have been following Cera’s thought process on Twitter and have the following analysis. MK has no plan… deep down he did think that ME would not leave after the deed.. he kind of felt that he closed all doors for her moving out of his life.. little did he know that ME would leave and cut all bonds from everyone.

MK is guilty and also when he does not get what he wants does the unmentionable he kills the entire thing and that is how he survives.. he loved animal photography and now he is a hunter a total irony…

ME’s main thing was kirdar .. MK has been killing it completely in eyes of everyone.. his guilt does not let him sleep what he is doing is making her so small that it makes him easier to live … if he accepts that she left of her own accord ..he would just cease to exist… not that should even suggest that he is currently living…

Mohabbat does takes different forms and is deeply selfish.. ME’s definition is higher and so she left him as she could not see him with anyone else not because of identify crisis though that might have compounded things at first… she has been at war from the very first day is that I am not going to let him win.. which does not help as it’s life it is not winning or losing .. it is simply love..

MK’s reason for marrying Haya is again deeply selfish.. punishing himself for guilt that he carries… it could have been anyone then he would not been reminded of his guilt everyday..., he is not only seeking revenge from ME..see I am marrying her who you did not like but also at the same time punishing himself unconsciously.. again this is also mohabbat.. a different variety definitely .. would certainly not label ishq no matter how much he would like it to be defined that way…

he has hope everyday as he agrees with Anwar.. he wants to see her before he leaves this life… he is just existing.. he is not living.. his life left him..

MK’s entire foundation has been shaken.. he thought he was making breakthrough with ME.. he feels betrayed that not only Me knew about yam but also the one day when they talked life a normal couple or he felt that there was desire from her end also seems like she was playing him.. it is shaken him up.. and simply does not know where he stands.. he gambled and seems to have completely lost.. so now he is doing everything out of character.., resonates with the line that he said in the morning .. ab mujh se koi umeed na rakh a kisi kaam ki … he has no plan..,

If he even had any inkling of ME was at SB’s place there was no way he would have left her with MEE that would be wishful thinking … he would have met her even if he did not get her.. he is desperately seeking her forgiveness .. again mohabbat difficult hoti hai aur is liye mafi MK ko zayada chahiye…

He is still sleeping on the sofa… he took her pillow the first night when he tried to sleep…

MK didn’t even in his wildest dreams must have thought of Meesam…

the sight where they are reunited again at their nikkah is the problem presenting itself again.. MK did not keep his boundaries and now he is marrying the same person he time and again claimed was no one to ME.. the night continues and will get to know if they matured or have learned anything from this separation. ME was breathily deeply as if this was the first time she has taken a breath in 2 years and MK …

Again they both love each other deeply ❤️