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Actually akshara should be in jail for deliberately writing wrong name of the father , snatching abhimanyu's parental rights . All these things are an attack to a person's basic human rights . He has every right to divorce akshara and still be the legal father of abhir.

Afterall he abandoned akshara and not his son abhir.

Originally posted by: LadooCandy

Actually akshara should be in jail for deliberately writing wrong name of the father , snatching abhimanyu's paternity rights . All these things are an attack to a person's basic human rights . He has every right to divorce akshara and still be the legal father of abhir.

Afterall he abandoned akshara and not his son abhir.

That literally is not a thing. If it were, the registrar would require a paternity test before stamping out every birth certificate in a given constituency and the certificate would explicitly ask for biological father's name lol

Originally posted by: chaipaani

Yaar see this is the whole point na first itna legally jana hai toh Abhira ka aese divorce bhi nahi hoskta. Phir toh Navra ki marriage hi illegal hogyi. Divorce mein settlement clause tha hi nahi koi kya hi matlb hai.

Ghar par sign karo hogya ITV mein hi hota hai.

Ab it's upto everyone what they want to believe but what i am saying is that birth certificate is a legal certificate aese hi kisi ka naam nahi likh sakte.

How i know it coz mere cousin ka 18th se phele passport nahi ban paya. I was out of the country and my cousin wanted to visit me but he couldn't you know why coz his parents are divorced and guess what his parents were divorced in 98 and he was born in 2000. Coz during that time they reconciled. Around 2005 ny aunt remarried my uncle.

Now coz it's been years not many people know that he is not my uncle's real son but legal papers do.

During the passport thing he needed signed from both his parents so to avoid too much work we were like baad mein bna lenge.

Don't come at me k ban jaata passport and all thoda laziness mein bhi nahi banwaya k ab kaun uske papa k pass jaaye sign laaye and all.

Coming back to the show:

Abhinav is Abhirs father not only coz he is AK ka pati but coz he has been there for him always loves him. No body is denying it. Someone stupid will deny this but it's a fact. Abhinav no matter what is a father to Abhir but legally he has no right not more than Abhimanyu at least.

Legally Abhimanyu is the father of Abhir and it's a fact. Ap woh nahi badal sakte. Abhir ka blood group ya toh AK se milega ya AbhiM se Abhinav se nahi milega na. Mereko yeh smjh nahi arha k itna sa point mein kya issue hai. Ab hai toh hai baap abhimanyu.

So writing wrong name in BC was wrong on her part considered as felony. Obviously India mein load nahi lenge but US jaise countries mein felony is a crime.

You are contradicting two statements "Itna legally nahi ja sakte" then bringing in real world scenario to say ki "Legally, Abhimanyu is father of Abhir"

Bhai, legally in India, paternity only matters in case of inheritence. The SC doesn't compel any citizen to prove who their father is biologically unless such a dispute is raised. A birth certificate can be notorised with or without a father's name. It doesn't compel the mother to provide the biological parents' name. (Think of surrogates and sperm donors). It is a mother's prerogative. The mother chose to give the legal rights of a father to her husband at the time of birth. He has inheritence claims in both Akshnav's private properties. The court does not care about Abhir's DNA until and unless someone (Birla) raises a dispute. The onus is on Abhimanyu to prove his paternity and not on Akshara.

But agar itna legally nahi bhi dekh sakte toh bhi the show says that Akshnav are the legal guardians of Abhir (they are one party of the legal dispute and Abhimanyu is the other; the case is between Akshnav and Birla, and not between Akshu and AbhiM as real or fake parents).

Toh phir baat hi khatam

Also

https://m.indiatimes.com/news/father-s-name-no-longer-mandatory-on-passports-sadhus-can-use-their-guru-s-name-instead-268039.html

Your aunt remarried in 2005, your cousin was born before that. Unless his birth certificate was made after her remarriage, I don't see how his case is similar to Abhir's?

Unless he is the legal heir to your aunt's second husband or he shares his custody, i do not see how his issue is similar to Abhir?

Again, father's name is not mandatory for passports in India as of 2016

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

i am not demeaning real women. Akshu is already looking bad choosing papa every time. Ab abhinav gaya toh again she marry to give papa to her child. How many times she will continue some day she has to learn to be independent.

Agar kal abhi margaya toh phir naya papa.

and i replied to below - we want her to independent than finding a new papa every time. That's it.

this same forum would write qaside on second-love trope and how Abhim and kid are best bond on itv ever.

Ak is looking more matured these days , I am liking her ,I liked how she is not anymore trying to invest her time n emotions on her ex by being emotionally weak like before when she gave 2nd chance in her 1st marriage. Am sure if at all Nav leaves she would prefer to stay independent but AbM tho uske piche nahi chodenge na . He should stop following G sisters better ignore them and get some other girl of his mom’s choice or stay single n independent. Why repeat the same thing multiple times getting engaged to Goenka sisters then brk up and repeat.😆

Originally posted by: LadooCandy

Who said that ? Court does take actions on humanitarian grounds . All the circumstances are looked up at that led to a situation .

So court will say Abhimanyu was right in divorcing Akshara after miscarrying because his brother passed away during her presence? 😂 delulu much?

Originally posted by: chaipaani

Read my second comment also.

As per evidence this show has a lot of loop holes.

As a attorney you can say then writing Abhinav's name on birth certificate is wrong.

What Akshara could have done is made Abhinav the legal gaurdian of Abhir instead of faking birth certificate. In that case what you are saying will be valid.

In their case she started by breaking law herself.

She is no where denying that haan he is Abhimanyu's biological son basis which it was very easy for AbhiM to file a custody case. This itself is a complicated case.

I just put my comment keeping the emotional aspects of who is the best father, who is not, who abandoned who.

@bold this is the loop hole also there's no way to prove that Abhimanyu abandoned the child.

Again not saying or supporting what he did was right or wrong. But he has no clue of his child existence which was the talk also and second party didn't deny the claim.

Trust me there are a lot of cases where a mother raises her child on her own or with another man (boyfriend or husband). The father is usually not in the picture and out of nowhere decides to come back and file for his rights. Fathers can give numerous reasonings as to what happened. For example, they didn’t know they had a child with the woman or such circumstances led to separation but it becomes extremely difficult for the fathers to get joint custody. It usually ends up with visitation rights. And this can be the other way around when the child is living with the father and the mother shows up.

I know Itv doesn’t follow laws and they can differ from country to country but with what is shown Abhimanyu wouldn’t get much out of the custody battle other than visitation rights and maybe child support since he makes more than the Sharmas and if their financial situation was brought up 😂

Originally posted by: Noorain13

Trust me there are a lot of cases where a mother raises her child on her own or with another man (boyfriend or husband). The father is usually not in the picture and out of nowhere decides to come back and file for his rights. Fathers can give numerous reasonings as to what happened. For example, they didn’t know they had a child with the woman or such circumstances led to separation but it becomes extremely difficult for the fathers to get joint custody. It usually ends up with visitation rights. And this can be the other way around when the child is living with the father and the mother shows up.

I know Itv doesn’t follow laws and they can differ from country to country but with what is shown Abhimanyu wouldn’t get much out of the custody battle other than visitation rights and maybe child support since he makes more than the Sharmas and if their financial situation was brought up 😂

See I am talking about in this particular scenario just assuming if something happens to Akshara at the moment.

Obviously jab tak Akshu is there it's a different scene.

I get your point and you are right but I know for sure that Abhinav will not get the sole custody of Abhir in case of his divorce or in case Akshu dies.

It will be a long ugly battle in real life, plus proving how bad a parent AbhiM is and all. Plus Abhir is now attached toh AbhiM too so it will play a huge role.

I guess you will agree on this that if Akshu goes out of picture than Abhinav won't have the legal rights on Abhir not more than AbhiM.

Emotionally he is coz no matter what he is a good father plus loves Abhir unconditionally.

I only don't like his acting and as partner to Akshu coz of his recent issues or whatever.

About child support i have said that a lot of time when this so call custody track was going on k unpar nahi hai money toh yeh dede par Abhir nahi milega 😂

Originally posted by: Noorain13

Trust me there are a lot of cases where a mother raises her child on her own or with another man (boyfriend or husband). The father is usually not in the picture and out of nowhere decides to come back and file for his rights. Fathers can give numerous reasonings as to what happened. For example, they didn’t know they had a child with the woman or such circumstances led to separation but it becomes extremely difficult for the fathers to get joint custody. It usually ends up with visitation rights. And this can be the other way around when the child is living with the father and the mother shows up.

I know Itv doesn’t follow laws and they can differ from country to country but with what is shown Abhimanyu wouldn’t get much out of the custody battle other than visitation rights and maybe child support since he makes more than the Sharmas and if their financial situation was brought up 😂

I mean I agree with u ideally in real world he definitely won't get the physical custody

But will he also not get any legal custody but still has to pay for child support

Originally posted by: Deltablues

What does independent mean? Was Akshara not independent when she married Abhimanyu? No? Why? Because marriage is a restriction on women's agency to take independent financial and personal decisions? If she was independent in her marriage with Abhimanyu, what makes her not independent in her remarriage? Does she not take independent financial and personal decision? Does she not have a means of income? We know she does. We know she owns their home. We know she can act against Abhinav's wishes without getting presigned divorce papers thrown at her face.

If the concept of marriage is detrimental to women's freedom, then no woman should get married even the first time. If only remarriage bothers you then sorry that's just sl*** shaming with some woke words.

Lastly, my statement said "this forum" and not firewings_diya so you cannot speak on "this forum's" behalf

It's my opinion that girls has to be independent and don't feed words into my mouth. I was quiet clear in my post we will ask for akshu's independent era maine na s*** shaming kiya na maine usko bura kaha. I only said why reason of the marriage should be to give papa to her kid. Why can't be it a love. She can take care of the kid and fall in love and then she can marry. I don't want one more scene of she asking some one kya aap mere bacche ka papa banenge.

you are free to disagree. When you generalized saying forum ppl will make a post praising that bond i generalized it too.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

It's my opinion that girls has to be independent and don't feed words into my mouth. I was quiet clear in my post we will ask for akshu's independent era maine na s*** shaming kiya na maine usko bura kaha. I only said why reason of the marriage should be to give papa to her kid. Why can't be it a love. She can take care of the kid and fall in love and then she can marry. I don't want one more scene of she asking some one kya aap mere bacche ka papa banenge.

you are free to disagree. When you generalized saying forum ppl will make a post praising that bond i generalized it too.

"Akshu is already looking bad choosing papa every time. Ab abhinav gaya toh again she marry to give papa to her child. How many times she will continue some day she has to learn to be independent."

Does bad not mean bura in hindi lol? You keep insinuating that she jumps from one man to another ("Akshu is already looking bad choosing papa every time. Ab abhinav gaya toh again she marry to give papa to her child. How many times she will continue some day she has to learn to be independent.") and then cry that I am feeding words in your mouth.

Everyone keeps crying about Akshara's independence on this forum without defining what independence is. If it means living alone without getting attached to any man then she and even the married women on this forum should have never gotten married in their life ever for whatever reasons. (Love isn't a valid rebuttal here because a) Akshara loves Abhinav, and b) many real Abhira fans as other women would have been in arranged marriages without dating their partners previously.)

If marriage is bad then all marriages (*cough* Abhira *cough*) are bad. If it extends to just remarriages that broke fictional ships then that's just bias lol.

P.S Akshara has a business, she's studying for a degree, she solely owns her house in Kasauli, she can take independent decisions bypassing her husband.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

nope we will ask akshu to learn raising your child than finding new papa everytime 😊 definitely i Don't want her to come back to her umar kaid wala pati 🥳

Umar kaid wala EX pati