Gauhar and malala supports indian women rights - Page 14

Originally posted by: DheeJattanDi

Yeah because cow worshipping, animal sacrifice, sati practice or even karva chauth aren't pathetic/barbaric.. lol cut the crap.

In Canada genital mutilation is a barbaric act.

Meena Kumari did not appreciate halala.

Originally posted by: desigal90

So just wanted to mention a couple of things -

1) Hijab is required in Islam, however like most religions, people interpret and follow as best as they can. This is where individual choice comes in. There a spectrum to religious following. There are those that follow some aspects of what's written, to the ones that take everything by the book. I don't wear a hijab, but know a lot of girls that do wear it by choice. With this is mind, it is similar to a turban in Sikhism. Not all Sikh men wear a turban but it is required/encouraged. To me, this is the same as banning turbans.

2) It is not anyone's responsibility to impose a ban on hijab just coz some girls are forced to wear it by their families, when others wear it by choice. That's not the solution. You're doing the same thing to them. Forcing your own choice under the guise of women empowerment.

3) Everything is relative in life. For a girl wearing a hijab, it stands for modesty. For some non-Muslim desi girl, perhaps enforcing her to wear swim suit for PE during swimming would be immodest. Who has the right to judge?

4) Let women make their own decisions, stop making decisions on their behalf. I'm so tired of men thinking they know better. This whole "love jihad" nonsense (hindu girls don't know any better and get trapped into Muslim marriages), abortion rights being removed in Texas, ban on hijab because Muslim women don't KNOW they're being oppressed. How about you let the women choose? Let us choose.

You are speaking of ideal world. The world is not ideal. The fact is hijab and burka right now is oppression and promote rape culture. Just because few are allowed the choice does not mean most are allowed the choice. Most will be shamed, disowned, jailed and killed over removing hijab because that’s what mainstream Islam says. That’s why hijab should be banned. I could care less about those few wanting to wear hijab when majority are oppressed and forced to wear it. I would rather support most women for whose it’s a matter of life and death than those few women having the privilege to choose to wear it. The day it truly becomes a choice will be the day I will be okay with hijab. When western and other countries give the choice to wear hijab. It doesn’t mean all women get the choice. It’s only those few women get the choice who truly want to wear it without any brainwashing and pressure. The rest wear it out of force and fear. The same is true for the rest of rules India allows specifically about polygamy etc for Muslims.

Originally posted by: K.Ahm

Hijab isn’t oppression, I’m an Accountant who “chose” you read that? Chose to follow hijab as a part of her faith. My sister is a Doctor and my cousin is a Nurse.

If you’re not a Muslim maybe you shouldn’t talk on our behalf without having the basic understanding of what our religion expects from us.

So speaking on behalf of women who chose to wear hijab I assure you we’re progressive, outspoken, have all the freedom in the world. A headscarf and our body covered doesn’t stop us from working or doing everything a women wearing skirt can do.

Maybe you should learn to differentiate between choice and force. It will make life easier for you and you’ll be able to respect a women who chooses to practice her faith the best way she can.

Strange India is becoming like Afghanistan and Iraq where a minority is not able to freely choose to follow their faith.

Yes , but majority women in India are not socially or economically strong.

They don't have the same voice as perhaps you or your social circle do.

You might have chosen it , but percentage of this is low.

In last 15 or so years, this religious compulsion on women has increased in India

My own close college friend from a typical middle class family , everyday she used to come to college remove the hijab, wear it back while going home. She used to feel free in college and not at home

If so much compulsion exists at home, how can women be happy.

And I am taking about a case in urban bangalore.

Not even the rural areas.

Do you seriously think there is so much choice left where getting a education itself is a privilege.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

But that’s not the point of discussion.

The issue is the same what you are saying. Women being “told” what they can wear and cannot.

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/hijab-ban-karnataka-high-court-islam-larger-bench-reference-191536

Previously, Kerala HC had ruled it denies women their fundamental right.

https://www.livelaw.in/right-women-choice-dress-based-religious-injunctions-fundamental-right-kerala-hc-allows-muslim-girls-wear-hijab-aipmt/

If women are allowed to wear hijab, how do you make sure most wearing it are doing it out of choice and not pressure? I am financially independent and live in USA, but I still have to wear it every time I am visiting my relatives. So what about those who don’t even have financial means, controlled and don’t even live in west? When I was in Pakistan, I didn’t even have that choice and was forced to burka and abaya it at age 12. It’s only because I am in west that I can at least wear it outside when my extended family members are not around me. And right now too I don’t just wear hijab. I always have to wear burka with it or at minimum a long coat something. Hijab is not enough.

1. ALL religions were organized by men, and the rules were written to benefit men. Covering women, female mutilation, Sati, etc were started for their benefit.

2. Times have changed. We ain't living in the Middle Ages anymore.

3. Talking about Sati which was banned ages ago makes no sense in this context because Sati would be considered criminal now. But subjugation of women USING THE WOMEN'S RIGHTS argument is going on now.

4. The answer is not to use the long discarded practice of one religion to justify the current lunacy of another. It is to drag the lagging religion to 2022 with the rest of us.

5. Yeah, some women may voluntarily want to cover up. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing if the men in charge are misusing the laws written to protect women's rights to impose their will on said women who might not be in a situation to speak up.

6. Until that fine day when we can be sure there is no coercion involved, facial coverings cannot be allowed in public spaces.

7. There is also the matter of criminal intent of men (and women) while using religion as pretext to mask their identities. When entering public space where security is considered to be of primary importance, government need not care what your faith is. Don't want to reveal your face? Fine, stay home.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

But then again, it’s not. The HC has stated that it’s an “essential “ part of religion so no organisation can ask them to.

Also, it’s in direct violation of fundamental right.

A secular state shouldn't be in the business of defining what is essential or not in a religion, what next, you going to allow other backward regressive practices to be permitted if its proven that it is "essential" part of a religion

How about we stop talking about religions we know nothing about? If you aren’t practicing it or born into it, you shouldn’t have an opinion on what said group should do with their life, if it is not hurting you in anyway.

Such an easy concept yet so hard to understand.

Originally posted by: galaxyfan

How about we stop talking about religions we know nothing about? If you aren’t practicing it or born into it, you shouldn’t have an opinion on what said group should do with their life, if it is not hurting you in anyway.

Such an easy concept yet so hard to understand.

But this is a matter beyond religion.

It's about oppression of women and using young girls and women for propaganda.

Its a social issue

Originally posted by: galaxyfan

How about we stop talking about religions we know nothing about? If you aren’t practicing it or born into it, you shouldn’t have an opinion on what said group should do with their life, if it is not hurting you in anyway.

Such an easy concept yet so hard to understand.

We can talk about human rights, I believe. Since all of us on the forum are supposedly human. And yeah, that includes any religion which tells women they should not be seen. I don't have to know the ABCs of said religion to know it's wrong.

Originally posted by: arnavfluffy

Yes , but majority women in India are not socially or economically strong.

They don't have the same voice as perhaps you or your social circle do.

You might have chosen it , but percentage of this is low.

In last 15 or so years, this religious compulsion on women has increased in India

My own close college friend from a typical middle class family , everyday she used to come to college remove the hijab, wear it back while going home. She used to feel free in college and not at home

If so much compulsion exists at home, how can women be happy.

And I am taking about a case in urban bangalore.

Not even the rural areas.

Do you seriously think there is so much choice left where getting a education itself is a privilege.

All I’m saying is don’t blanket hijab as oppression because it isn’t for everyone.

I’m not denying there’s forced hijab on girls. The point is here in this particular case its not an oppression its their choice and they want the freedom to wear it.

I also agree that if a school/organisation doesn’t want to entertain religious ornaments/wear they should make it very clear from the start and people should choose school based on that or follow the rules of the school if its already mentioned at the time of admission.

Another interesting thing is that Islam never stopped women from being educated. There are hadiths which tells that seeking education is compulsory for every muslim. Not just men but muslim. It’s different that things changed over time. That’s another discussion all together so I’ll let it go.

My point is raise your voice against forced covering but do not take away the right to wear hijab for those who want to wear it. Oppression is forcing women whether its to make them wear hijab or force them to not wear it.