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Posted: 3 years ago

I'll address a common misconception - Hindi/Urdu is NOT the most common mother tongue even in the Hindi Belt.

In Bihar e.g., the most common languages are Bhojpuri, Magahi & Maithili.

Even if we go to neighboring Pakistan whose - unlike India - national language is Urdu (Hindi), the original local languages are actually Punjabi, Sindhi, Sairaki, Pashto etc etc. Urdu is actually a deccan export. 😆


Thousands of years back one's ancestors spoke a different language, and there is a good possibility that thousands of years later one's descendents will speak another one. Haal beherhaal toh English is the giant python that's going to gobble up quite a few languages for good. Hindi, which was designed as a lingua franca, is the most in danger. People will either completely move on with English, or try to preserve their original native language and skip Hindi (since they can already use English to communicate with non natives).


Finally we should stay away from the mentality of looking down upon someone if they're speaking in English, even if they're not proficient in it or don't have the capacity to tathakathit "speak it perfectly". 👍

(matlab ab yeh din aa gaye ki kehna padta hai angrezi bolne wale koh badtar mat samjho 🤣)

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: monalidp

I'd like to add my two cents.

I am a Marathi and am proud to say I am a very well-read person in both Marathi and English. I used to live in a second-tier city in Maharashtra and started raiding the library there when I was five. I discovered a lot in that library, not just Marathi but old English literature from Shakespeare to Pearl Buck, from to Martin Luther King to Ayn Rand, from Leo Tolstoy to Margaret Mitchell.

I also grew up listening to Marathi bhajans of Bhimsen Joshi and the Mangeshkar sisters. Those bhajans are an integral part of my mental makeup.

I'd say language is an integral part of the culture. Not because of the language itself per se, but because talented authors, singers, leaders of the old express themselves through the medium. It is a medium of communication that is used by generations to express their thoughts and beliefs. People mold languages to their taste and then the language molds future generations.

Now I live in the UK, my kids are being brought up here. They learn nativity plays and Christian stories in their schools. They learn about Vikings, not the Mughals/Shivaji/Indian freedom struggle. They sing Christmas carols, not Marathi bhajans.

Sometimes I feel far removed from them. There is an emotional disconnect that is hard to explain. It breaks my heart when they don't appreciate the Marathi language or the sweet songs. They don't understand the quirks of the language that's almost the life source for me. I think that is why the native language is called ''Mother Tongue'. The bliss I feel when my child calls me 'Aai' is not the same as when they call me 'mum'.

But It's nobody's fault. I can't hold it against them as they are being brought up in a different environment. When I was in Belgium for a short-term work assignment, I was told I'd have to learn Dutch/French/German as those were official languages, not English. It was a hassle for me, but I appreciated their pride and will to preserve their heritage, their roots, the language that has nurtured and enriched their minds.

As you can see, I sit on a fence. I love my language but have no problem with others loving theirs too. In today's day and age, when there is so much divide in the world already, we should learn from history and choose our battles wisely. Pride and prejudice will only take us so far. Live and let live should be our mantra.


Coming back to some Bollywood kids using a jumble of language struggling to get their point across, I pity them. They just have missed the bus, it's their loss.


Wah wah. What a gem of a post.

I am in your boat too. Kids speak English. We try to teach them enough Gujarati so they can converse with Grandparents.

Once my daughter was watching her favorite cartoon “Bluey” and she had remote so language settings got changed to Dutch. She shouts, Mumma Bluey is speaking Gujarati, change it to English. 🤣 I legit laughed and felt sad too. Any foreign language is Gujarati for her. 🤷‍♀️

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: AdrakKombucha


(matlab ab yeh din aa gaye ki kehna padta hai angrezi bolne wale koh badtar mat samjho 🤣)



Topic maker’s intention wasnt that. Logo ka to kam hai offense lena. 😆

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi


Wah wah. What a gem of a post.

I am in your boat too. Kids speak English. We try to teach them enough Gujarati so they can converse with Grandparents.

Once my daughter was watching her favorite cartoon “Bluey” and she had remote so language settings got changed to Dutch. She shouts, Mumma Bluey is speaking Gujarati, change it to English. 🤣 I legit laughed and felt sad too. Any foreign language is Gujarati for her. 🤷‍♀️



Awwww so cute, so innocent. ❤️

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: priya185

Because some people in India think that speaking English shows they are highly educated in English medium and look down upon people speaking Hindi.

I think it is very backwards since we overturned colonialisation

The best part of all this is that some English speakers may be so clueless, that they can hear any of the 22 official languages spoken in India and they will just smile and think they are all the same... it's all chinese...
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: priya185

Because some people in India think that speaking English shows they are highly educated in English medium and look down upon people speaking Hindi.

I think it is very backwards since we overturned colonialisation

Tbh i sometime like speaking in english with some people when i not sure to address them as aap or tum 😆 in english its pretty easy

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I am against language impositions of any kind. Yes, language can be a part of someone's identity. But it is up to the individual to decide that. We can go about imposing a certain language as someone's identity just because they were born somewhere or belong to a certain family.

Many of India's larger cities are cultural hubs. They are home to people with different linguistic backgrounds. You can find hundreds of languages and dialects spoken within a small area. Naturally, when there is linguistic diversity a lingua franca emerges.

In North Indian cities the lingua franca is Hindi because it has the widest speaking range and most people were familiar with a form of Hindi. In South Indian cities the lingua franca is English because due to colonization it was the language they had in common.

In a place like Bombay which is along the north-south divide, Hinglish emerged which combined Hindi, English, and even Marathi the local language. Most Hindi speakers cringe when Bombayites speak Hindi because it is dramatically incorrect and uses tons of borrowed words. I had a mind-blowing moment in my life when I learned that Kanda-batata is not Hindi. Outside the upper class that has an immersive English education - Bombay spoken English can be terrible with many improperly formed sentences and frequent insertions of a Hindi word.

My mother did a major part of her schooling in USA before her parents moved back to India. So she only knew Gujarati and English. She did not know Hindi or Marathi. As a result, my English is solid because she could always correct my English but my Hindi/Marathi is terrible because she can't read or write those languages properly. But she has incredible speaking fluency. She learned to speak Hindi/Marathi as a 15-16-year-old after moving back from the US. She learned to speak Konkani as an adult after marriage.

I also sometimes cringe at the expectation that people know their "mother tongue" because I don't speak my mother tongue, Gujarati. I speak my father tongue, Konkani because I grew up immersed in my father's side of the family. I wish I was more immersed in the Gujarati side of my culture, but language is not one I regret. Gujarati is still widely spoken, but Konkani is spoken by fewer people and the variation in Konkani in communities up and down the Konkan coast is stunning.

There was a time when German was actually the most spoken language in the United States to the extent that the founding fathers almost made German the national language. But English eventually won over. Most Americans now speak English. After multiple generations of being born in the USA, immigrants who came from all over the world lost their native tongues to English. Today so many Americans will proudly claim Italian, German, Polish, or other European descents but know scant little of their home language and culture.

The point is you don't need to speak a certain language. You get to decide your linguistic identity and no one can impose that on you. And it might evolve over time. Today you are where you are - tomorrow life may take you to another part of the world that might shape your linguistic identity differently.

Always try to speak the local language because it is a respectful thing to do. At the same time never demand someone speak your local language because respect is earned not demanded. Don't make fun of accents or mistakes because learning a language is hard.

Try to learn a new language because it's a valuable skill to have and can open a whole world of new possibilities. I speak four languages and continue learning Spanish. I plan to learn another language when I get through Spanish on Duolingo.

In the end its not the language you speak but your willingness to communicate with other humans that matter. The desire to communicate can overcome anything. But no amount of language fluency can save you if you are a language arse or a language imperialist.


Again, let me repeat myself if you come from a multi-lingual background and/or live in a different (not your native) state, then it's different to adhere to a particular language.


But, if someone who grows up in their native land with ALL their family and everyone around them speaking a language, then they're a gigantic doofus if they do not pick up the language despite hearing it all the fricking time ever since they were in their diapers.


These people are arses and should be treated like one. This is my point.

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Festival

I don't know Hindi 😭 I am a loser and a traitor 😭

Kya! 😱 *Gasps in French*

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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22


Again, the 'imposition of Hindi' is just a fraction of the history of the Tamil nationalist movement. It exists even today, even to problematic extents, with Dravidian parties fueling distrust and hate against North Indians. They have this theory that Tamil is even older than Sanskrit, and that the Indus Valley civilization burnt clay plates had an ancient form of Tamil inscribed on them. There was a whole Tamil Renaissance or 're-awakening' of Tamil history, cultural and literary movements similar to the Bengal Renaissance in undivided Bengal.


'Tamil nationalism is just because of Hindi imposition' is just as accurate as 'French revolution started because Marie Antoinette asked everyone to eat cake.' 😆 I'd suggest you to read up more and gain an in-depth idea of the Tamil Nationalist movement.


It's not a theory. Tamil IS older than Sanskrit. The oldest Tamil inscription is from 3rd century BCE while oldest Sanskrit inscription is from 1st century BCE.


Also, Tamil nationalism and Tamil language movement are intertwined, but they're not the same.


And yes, Tamil language movement did start because people were trying to *impose* Hindi. It's a part of recorded history. Tamilians did not have that problem with English. They don't even now. The issue is the forcing of Hindi on a population which doesn't want it.


Casting the language movement as the same as the national movement is not accurate.

Edited by HearMeRoar - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


It's not a theory. Tamil IS older than Sanskrit. The oldest Tamil inscription is from 3rd century BCE while oldest Sanskrit inscription is from 1st century BCE.


Also, Tamil nationalism and Tamil language movement are intertwined, but they're not the same.


And yes, Tamil language movement did start because people were trying to *impose* Hindi. It's a part of recorded history. Tamilians did not have that problem with English. They don't even now. The issue is the forcing of Hindi on a population which doesn't want it.


Casting the language movement as the same as the national movement is not accurate.



Will learn a foreign language if it isn't forced..but is implemented widely in any case at the cost of Tamil..but not learning a foreign ( which means non Tamil) language coz it is imposed. Sorry m not aware how it was imposed so won't comment on that.

This can translate to preferring someone to take over in a sly or stealthy manner compared to someone talking upfront...sweet talking works

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