Why the shame in speaking Hindi - Page 10

Originally posted by: catchmeifucan

I don’t know when and who spoke about English being acceptable through out India, but responding to the bold since I was the first one who said that(that the language is just a medium to get around) in this post!

I stand by my opinion that language is just a medium, English or otherwise!

@Blue: Whaaaaat? 🤣 BJP brought Independence to India, Hindi to India - I mean is there no end to their accomplishments and their bootlickers? Hilarious things that one gets to read on this forum🤣

South states have NOTHING to do with Hindi just like how the so called North states have nothing to do with Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam and Kannada. Don’t forget that Hindi is no more an official language than any of the Southern languages. Just like Northies saying maaro ya kaato when it comes to the southern languages, may be Southern people have learned to return the favor!😛 At least the southern people don’t kill in the name of language unlike the northies!

The hypocrisy by God - English Supremacy is bad but at the same time Zindabad Hindi Supremacy? 🤣

Where did I say Hindi supremacy?

show me? Why are you firing mode always. What was so offensive in my post?

There had been some heating discussion about language in past on this forum. Some were like if you come to Tamilnadu, learn Tamil or English.

And now Hindi is not required for BW actors working in Hindi movie industry. Wah bhai wah. 😆

No BJP didn’t get independence, bjp didn’t get Hindi but the general narrative is that bjp is trying to impose Hindi so that’s why I said that some of you get enraged Hindi ka naam Sunke.

Baki toh lage raho tum log. Ek insaan kuch bol nai sakta without some of you spitting fire. Itna ka mache rahte ho. Aisa Kya bol diya mene.

I didn’t say the stuff that you are implying. Comprehension ka locha hai tum sabka.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

Also, anybody who knows even a bit knowledge of the language movement history of the Southern states, especially Tamil Nadu, will know that they have always associated Tamil nationalism and statehood pride with the language. So no, language was never 'just a medium of communication' for them, nor for any other group that has had to fight for its language.

there were couple members here who had this fundamentals.
Someone said, I went to Tamilnadu and Taxi drivers refused to speak anything but Tamil. Those members defended the Taxi driver.

I asked her what will my Mom do if she ever visited Tamilnadu? She doesn’t know English or Tamil, They said, learn it and then visit. 😆

So much superiority complex. Not everyone has it though. My colleague is from Kerala married to Tamil. She understands Hindi but prefers English so we always talk in English.

In early 90s, our next door neighbor was Tamil couple working in govt office, neither knew Gujarati nor Hindi. None of us knew Tamil or English, we still gelled up well. Some sign language some hinglish and some broke Gujarati. It was so cute. Johnson uncle’s been my Dad’s friend for years after moving out.

I still believe that we need a language that binds a nation. we don’t have one. And I think we never will. People are so stuck up.

Yaha pe log talvaar leke Beth jate hai bar baat pe. I don’t know what some of these people eat. For every little matter, they take offense.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Actually, I never blocked you or anyone else. Not sure why you keep claiming I did. 🤔 It's a bit silly to do it an online forum.

You never blocked her? Then why did she become an Avenger?

Originally posted by: AdrakKombucha

Hahaha haan satyavachan kaha ungliyon ke fetish vaali kanya ne. Kintu main popcorn makai ka lava hindi mein grahan karunga. 😛

You fraud! Fetish ka Hindi kaun prayog karega? Fetish nahin, bolo 'adbhut ichhayein'.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

By God! What does this have to do with BJP?😆

South Indians (by a huge majority) never spoke Hindi or any North Indian languages from the time of Sanskrit. From before Hindi was a twinkle in any northie's eye. 😆

English is the 2nd language of most South Indians. Most South Indians are way more comfortable speaking English than Hindi because both are non native languages to the South, and yeah, English is preferred.

No nonsense couched in patriotic or nationalistic terms is going to change South Indians' comfort with Hindi. Either it will be done by force, or it might happen naturally if and when people decide knowing Hindi makes a difference in their lives. It doesn't at the moment. Most communicate easily enough in English when needed.

Because guess what? Most people do believe language IS a medium of communication. A lot of the Tamilians REFUSE to learn Hindi because the Hindi belt tries to impose it. But they have no problem learning English.

I have seen so many South Indians talk better Hindi than North Indians if they are doing a job in North India. Their IQ levels are much better in general.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

By God! What does this have to do with BJP?😆

South Indians (by a huge majority) never spoke Hindi or any North Indian languages from the time of Sanskrit. From before Hindi was a twinkle in any northie's eye. 😆

English is the 2nd language of most South Indians. Most South Indians are way more comfortable speaking English than Hindi because both are non native languages to the South, and yeah, English is preferred.

No nonsense couched in patriotic or nationalistic terms is going to change South Indians' comfort with Hindi. Either it will be done by force, or it might happen naturally if and when people decide knowing Hindi makes a difference in their lives. It doesn't at the moment. Most communicate easily enough in English when needed.

Because guess what? Most people do believe language IS a medium of communication. A lot of the Tamilians REFUSE to learn Hindi because the Hindi belt tries to impose it. But they have no problem learning English.

In early 90s, our next door neighbor was Tamil couple working in govt office, neither knew Gujarati nor Hindi. None of us knew Tamil or English, we still gelled up well. Some sign language some hinglish and some broke Gujarati. It was so cute. Johnson uncle’s been my Dad’s friend for years after moving out.

He lived in Gujarat for years and still didn’t learn Gujarati or Hindi. We Gujaratis are cool that way. We don’t impose anything or take offense at smallest of things. Not that I have seen in general.

I don't know Hindi 😭 I am a loser and a traitor 😭

I'd like to add my two cents.

I am a Marathi and am proud to say I am a very well-read person in both Marathi and English. I used to live in a second-tier city in Maharashtra and started raiding the library there when I was five. I discovered a lot in that library, not just Marathi but old English literature from Shakespeare to Pearl Buck, from to Martin Luther King to Ayn Rand, from Leo Tolstoy to Margaret Mitchell.

I also grew up listening to Marathi bhajans of Bhimsen Joshi and the Mangeshkar sisters. Those bhajans are an integral part of my mental makeup.

I'd say language is an integral part of the culture. Not because of the language itself per se, but because talented authors, singers, leaders of the old express themselves through the medium. It is a medium of communication that is used by generations to express their thoughts and beliefs. People mold languages to their taste and then the language molds future generations.

Now I live in the UK, my kids are being brought up here. They learn nativity plays and Christian stories in their schools. They learn about Vikings, not the Mughals/Shivaji/Indian freedom struggle. They sing Christmas carols, not Marathi bhajans.

Sometimes I feel far removed from them. There is an emotional disconnect that is hard to explain. It breaks my heart when they don't appreciate the Marathi language or the sweet songs. They don't understand the quirks of the language that's almost the life source for me. I think that is why the native language is called ''Mother Tongue'. The bliss I feel when my child calls me 'Aai' is not the same as when they call me 'mum'.

But It's nobody's fault. I can't hold it against them as they are being brought up in a different environment. When I was in Belgium for a short-term work assignment, I was told I'd have to learn Dutch/French/German as those were official languages, not English. It was a hassle for me, but I appreciated their pride and will to preserve their heritage, their roots, the language that has nurtured and enriched their minds.

As you can see, I sit on a fence. I love my language but have no problem with others loving theirs too. In today's day and age, when there is so much divide in the world already, we should learn from history and choose our battles wisely. Pride and prejudice will only take us so far. Live and let live should be our mantra.

Coming back to some Bollywood kids using a jumble of language struggling to get their point across, I pity them. They just have missed the bus, it's their loss.

Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

You fraud! Fetish ka Hindi kaun prayog karega? Fetish nahin, bolo 'adbhut ichhayein'.

Haey Sundari, 'you fraud' nahin, 'तू कपटी'. Aur mujhe yeh bataate hue atyant khed ho raha hai ki aapka javaab ghalat hai 😭

(Sahi javaab mujhe gyaat hota toh main swayam prayog kar chuka hota)

Originally posted by: monalidp

I'd like to add my two cents.

I am a Marathi and am proud to say I am a very well-read person in both Marathi and English. I used to live in a second-tier city in Maharashtra and started raiding the library there when I was five. I discovered a lot in that library, not just Marathi but old English literature from Shakespeare to Pearl Buck, from to Martin Luther King to Ayn Rand, from Leo Tolstoy to Margaret Mitchell.

I also grew up listening to Marathi bhajans of Bhimsen Joshi and the Mangeshkar sisters. Those bhajans are an integral part of my mental makeup.

I'd say language is an integral part of the culture. Not because of the language itself per se, but because talented authors, singers, leaders of the old express themselves through the medium. It is a medium of communication that is used by generations to express their thoughts and beliefs. People mold languages to their taste and then the language molds future generations.

Now I live in the UK, my kids are being brought up here. They learn nativity plays and Christian stories in their schools. They learn about Vikings, not the Mughals/Shivaji/Indian freedom struggle. They sing Christmas carols, not Marathi bhajans.

Sometimes I feel far removed from them. There is an emotional disconnect that is hard to explain. It breaks my heart when they don't appreciate the Marathi language or the sweet songs. They don't understand the quirks of the language that's almost the life source for me. I think that is why the native language is called ''Mother Tongue'. The bliss I feel when my child calls me 'Aai' is not the same as when they call me 'mum'.

But It's nobody's fault. I can't hold it against them as they are being brought up in a different environment. When I was in Belgium for a short-term work assignment, I was told I'd have to learn Dutch/French/German as those were official languages, not English. It was a hassle for me, but I appreciated their pride and will to preserve their heritage, their roots, the language that has nurtured and enriched their minds.

As you can see, I sit on a fence. I love my language but have no problem with others loving theirs too. In today's day and age, when there is so much divide in the world already, we should learn from history and choose our battles wisely. Pride and prejudice will only take us so far. Live and let live should be our mantra.

Coming back to some Bollywood kids using a jumble of language struggling to get their point across, I pity them. They just have missed the bus, it's their loss.

Once you migrate, preserving one's language and culture becomes a challenge. How much of the alien culture and language to assimilate, how much to blend in, and how much to preserve one's past. ❤️