Waah re duniya!!! - Page 9

Originally posted by: euphoric

Ren you know I love this post! And I love the discussions you have churned here!!! Thanks for proof reading and always being my sounding board. You're my 🍉.

We stay in a hypocrite world... And this discussions have been brought up here time and again. I am so happy this thread is so live and kicking 🤗 yes such a hypocritical world. The discussion is going great and different perspectives shared. Can't believe u joined at page 10 🤪

Pallavi has always been the mature one in this relationship. A whiff of misunderstanding and she's in action to get things on track. She so much more mature and practical. Wasn't she love when she came back with aai to RR mansion during Mandar track breaking her promise to VD because she prioritised him or even now when she initiated a call to sort things when he left for Warangal without meeting her. Her life revolves around him, use kuch aur karne ko patha hi nahi. Unfortunately for him it's always been his family, his business, his alcohol. Jab yeh door jayegi, he'll run behind her. He knows her importance but just won't accept till push comes to shove.

The fact is she never denied him the assurance and comfort he sought from her. She treated Mandar like an acquaintance... Her aai Baba's son and nothing more. Inquiring about him was like a chore to her. Her heart and soul set on him. Whether he liked it or not, pallavi has only served him truth and nothing else. And with that she didn't give any one any space to intrude between them. Pallavi is a truthful person and filled with honesty. She has so much clarity in her thoughts that she really can handle any problems that comes her way. It was easier to defend her in M track than defend Raghav today.

But this is where Raghav has failed not once but multiple times. His promises and truths have been to suit his convenience. He snapped at her when she asked him certain questions... Her curiosity brushed past... So now when it was his turn to make her secure... He shunned her. His flight response to problems makes him do so many wrong things. Kitna free pass denge for his lying ways. I hate it when he shuts her out, jabki it's not her fault.

He hid mandar's 7 day challenge and resorted to adding a tracker in her bag... Giving mandar a passage to drive a rift between them! Yes Raghav ne kafi kuch galat kia in the M track..poor decision making main PhD hai isko. I can't expect any better from him.

He kept lying to pallavi about his business and allowed sunny to drive a wedge between them. Yeah such bad moves. He lies like he drinks protein shake ufff. Thoda trust karke toh dekho Raghav babu.

And now he hid me too msg from Pallavi (as if it was him who had sent that msg knowingly to Esha). Sharing a room, making amends and sharing a drink with his ex when until less that 24 hrs ago that name was a taboo topic... He must have not done anything but he is going to believe the inevitable. And we know he's going to lie and hide this too. And with this he is again allowing someone to capitalise on this and enter his and pallavi's dynamics. This is way worse than any lie he's said before. He knows the stakes are huge but the downfall and her breakdown is going to be worse. Their marriage will be on the verge of breaking.

He doesn't seem to learn or realize that his lies are not saving him instead are pulling him down. My feelings for him are so conflicted today that even though I might empathise with him, I will not be able to justify him. May be this will make him learn. Soni you know I'm conflicted too but the makers will put the blame on Esha drugging toh whatever Raghav does he gets a clean chit. Tu aur main hi pagal bane ro rahe hai subah se.

I am not holding him accountable for the alleged kaand but there are other things he definitely need to be called out on. Yes agree. Wapas murky territory on what can be forgiven and what can't be.

Each time, he doesn't agree with her, he shuts her out. This time, I genuinely want tables turned. Let her be the one to shut him out. Let him realize that a relationship doesn't survive on love alone. Trust is equally important. And he has not done anything that Pallavi needs to keep putting her faith in him. I want an emotional distancing too. Her trust was too sacred and that will break. Sacrilege hai yeh bas. I'd say trust is more important than love in a marriage. Raghav doesnt trust Pallavi whereas she blindly trusts him. Balance is required.

Life ka funda should be simple... What you don't want to happen to you, don't do it yourself. What you expect from your partner give them that. Absolutely. Would Raghav forgive this of Pallavi. I think he loves her so much he would. He would forgive her anything.

Trust is not a commodity that can be bought... it's not abundantly available for one to renounce and restore... It's not a charity that one can get out of begging... It's a virtue that needs to be cherished and safeguarded. I hope he does value her trust hence forth. It will take so much of breaking to sort this man out ufff...

Time for Raghav to take the onus of this relationship. Bohut ho gaya one sided. As much as I want Pallavi to let go the reigns, I want him to pick it up right there. If he can't cherish and value her and what he has with her... If he can't work to mend the chords he's set to break... We are looking at dead end for Raghvi!

Yes kafi one sided ho gaya now the tables should turn and he should take charge. Pallavi should stay at the sides and let him do damage control. We discussed why we love Raghvi more than other couples coz they were equal. Time to see it in reality. Raghav needs to make himself worthy of her trust.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Fria why are u so cute. 🤗

Actually we love ranting a bit too much. We should take this show as seriously as the makers take it only then can we save ourselves severe heart problems.

We have pushed this show to quite a pedestal (biggest credit to Saishi for their flawless portrayal of Raghvi) which is none to the makers credit. Many times I feel it's a fluke. Sicku lucked out with Saishi bas.

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We do. I could rant for hours. I need my own podcast. I never shut up. 🤣🤣🤣

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I expect too much, I know they won't deliver, yet I still want what I want and keep watching the show. I'm such a glutton for punishment. Saishi just too hard to resist. They just really bring out something in these two characters where I'm just like - I can't not watch them?!

Originally posted by: fria319

hehe 😳🤗

We do. I could rant for hours. I need my own podcast. I never shut up. 🤣🤣🤣

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I expect too much, I know they won't deliver, yet I still want what I want and keep watching the show. I'm such a glutton for punishment. Saishi just too hard to resist. They just really bring out something in these two characters where I'm just like - I can't not watch them?!

Just the other day I was telling Ren this is one couple I want to see their domestic scenes too. Koi story mat do... Just give us tazbu scenes 😛😆

Originally posted by: euphoric

Ren you know I love this post! And I love the discussions you have churned here!!!

We stay in a hypocrite world... And this discussions have been brought up here time and again. I am so happy this thread is so live and kicking 🤗

Pallavi has always been the mature one in this relationship. A whiff of misunderstanding and she's in action to get things on track. Wasn't she love when she came back with aai to RR mansion during Mandar track breaking her promise to VD because she prioritised him or even now when she initiated a call to sort things when he left for Warangal without meeting her.

The fact is she never denied him the assurance and comfort he sought from her. She treated Mandar like an acquaintance... Her aai Baba's son and nothing more. Inquiring about him was like a chore to her. Her heart and soul set on him. Whether he liked it or not, pallavi has only served him truth and nothing else. And with that she didn't give any one any space to intrude between them.

But this is where Raghav has failed not once but multiple times. His promises and truths have been to suit his convenience. He snapped at her when she asked him certain questions... Her curiosity brushed past... So now when it was his turn to make her secure... He shunned her.

He hid mandar's 7 day challenge and resorted to adding a tracker in her bag... Giving mandar a passage to drive a rift between them!

He kept lying to pallavi about his business and allowed sunny to drive a wedge between them.

And now he hid me too msg from Pallavi (as if it was him who had sent that msg knowingly to Esha). Sharing a room, making amends and sharing a drink with his ex when until less that 24 hrs ago that name was a taboo topic... He must have not done anything but he is going to believe the inevitable. And we know he's going to lie and hide this too. And with this he is again allowing someone to capitalise on this and enter his and pallavi's dynamics.

He doesn't seem to learn or realize that his lies are not saving him instead are pulling him down. My feelings for him are so conflicted today that even though I might empathise with him, I will not be able to justify him.

I am not holding him accountable for the alleged kaand but there are other things he definitely need to be called out on.

Each time, he doesn't agree with her, he shuts her out. This time, I genuinely want tables turned. Let her be the one to shut him out. Let him realize that a relationship doesn't survive on love alone. Trust is equally important. And he has not done anything that Pallavi needs to keep putting her faith in him.

Life ka funda should be simple... What you don't want to happen to you, don't do it yourself. What you expect from your partner give them that.

Trust is not a commodity that can be bought... it's not abundantly available for one to renounce and restore... It's not a charity that one can get out of begging... It's a virtue that needs to be cherished and safeguarded.

Time for Raghav to take the onus of this relationship. Bohut ho gaya one sided. As much as I want Pallavi to let go the reigns, I want him to pick it up right there. If he can't cherish and value her and what he has with her... If he can't work to mend the chords he's set to break... We are looking at dead end for Raghvi!

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Originally posted by: joliefemme

Yes fria they can't keep showing her picking up all the slack. He needs to be an equal party in this relationship and bear the emotional burden as well

Thanks for your reply.

I think any relationship at the end of the day is salvageable. I've seen much worse. That's why I won't ever write him off completely. I'm hella mad at him, and upset, and disappointed but there's no way I'd give up on him completely. He would never physically cheat on Pallavi in a sober state.

I think the issue is they're portraying him being pulled/drawn towards his ex as if feelings are still there. And this was so glaringly obvious in this latest episode. And this is the STARK difference between M track and this E track.

It's the question of whether what he's doing / feeling is emotional infidelity or not. I'm on the fence about that and this is why I can't call him a cheater, but it still feels like a betrayal nonetheless.

At the end of the day, even among all her faults, Pallavi never was once shown as being drawn towards M as R is shown with E. It was clear as day, everything she did for M was out of guilt and this sense of duty that she has. Every mistake she even committed was unintentional too. It was out of a place of being stuck between a rock and hard place. And even then I definitely called her out and was unsympathetic towards some of the decisions she made.

Here its like we see the steps Raghav took and it's like, dude? What were you thinking? And of all things, you added alcohol to the mix? We saw him waver. Even if it was for 5 sec. And I think that's what everyone is stuck on and that's what makes it feel like emotional infidelity. Which makes it feel harder to forgive.

No one will / should blame him for sleeping in the same bed as his ex IF he was drugged. THAT is victim shaming.

But if he was drunk? Does it still make it ok? I think it just depends on your personal threshold. Tbh I'd have a hard time forgiving that despite his intentions. Because at the end of the day - he made decisions that put him in that situation. The correct thing would have been refuse the drink and sit on the sofa or go to the lobby. Pallavi, idk man. She's more forgiving than me lol. I have a hard time understanding what she'll do. All I know is she's going to be incredibly hurt.

Originally posted by: fria319

hehe 😳🤗

We do. I could rant for hours. I need my own podcast. I never shut up. 🤣🤣🤣

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I expect too much, I know they won't deliver, yet I still want what I want and keep watching the show. I'm such a glutton for punishment. Saishi just too hard to resist. They just really bring out something in these two characters where I'm just like - I can't not watch them?!

I know Fria our views may be different but our reactions are always the same... I want to rant too... See this thread crossed 11 pages worth of good discussion. No bashing but really good healthy discussions.

Most of the people here are stuck because of Saishi. Sicku has destroyed the show post mangalagour and Saishi are the reason I'm still here breaking my head at 1.30 in the night. But you know what I'm not watching the epi tomorrow so I can wake up late.

Originally posted by: fria319

I think any relationship at the end of the day is salvageable. I've seen much worse. That's why I won't ever write him off completely. I'm hella mad at him, and upset, and disappointed but there's no way I'd give up on him completely. He would never physically cheat on Pallavi in a sober state. Cheating is where I draw the line Fria but like you said R would never cheat (not P not anyone). So good we aren't yet cancelling him.

I think the issue is they're portraying him being pulled/drawn towards his ex as if feelings are still there. And this was so glaringly obvious in this latest episode. And this is the STARK difference between M track and this E track. Again this is sicku ka tadka, it is not required to show even an iota of conflict. Why take this to murky territory. The issue here is makers don't think as deeply as we do. They will make esha negative as if she's drugged him and he gets a clean chit. Every action of his will be given a free pass.

It's the question of whether what he's doing / feeling is emotional infidelity or not. I'm on the fence about that and this is why I can't call him a cheater, but it still feels like a betrayal nonetheless. I won't call him a cheater. His actions may be wrong but he doesn't want to cheat Pallavi. He's naive and an emotional fool.

At the end of the day, even among all her faults, Pallavi never was once shown as being drawn towards M as R is shown with E. It was clear as day, everything she did for M was out of guilt and this sense of duty that she has. Every mistake she even committed was unintentional too. It was out of a place of being stuck between a rock and hard place. And even then I definitely called her out and was unsympathetic towards some of the decisions she made. Pallavi made mistakes and repented, he'll do too. He'll have to repent much more coz his stand isn't as clear as hers. He won't be able to justify his lies

Here its like we see the steps Raghav took and it's like, dude? What were you thinking? And of all things, you added alcohol to the mix? We saw him waver. Even if it was for 5 sec. And I think that's what everyone is stuck on and that's what makes it feel like emotional infidelity. Which makes it feel harder to forgive. Lots of places he's done things which are unacceptable generally. I'm on the fence about emotional infidelity. My threshold is higher than yours supposedly.

No one will / should blame him for sleeping in the same bed as his ex IF he was drugged. THAT is victim shaming. Yes agreed

But if he was drunk? Does it still make it ok? I think it just depends on your personal threshold. Tbh I'd have a hard time forgiving that despite his intentions. Because at the end of the day - he made decisions that put him in that situation. The correct thing would have been refuse the drink and sit on the sofa or go to the lobby. Pallavi, idk man. She's more forgiving than me lol. I have a hard time understanding what she'll do. All I know is she's going to be incredibly hurt.

I think drunk out of senses, is still ok but then he is responsible for drinking when he knows of her feelings. But thin line going towards victim shaming. There's no consent then it's assault. Only time I can't forgive is sober plus slept with ex.

He's done a lot of mistakes today and she's definitely going to be hurt, hopefully breakdown and emotionally and physically (?) shut him out. He's done worse things to her for far less reasons.

I know there are comparisons being made between Pallavi and Raghav's behaviors and decisions regarding their exes but the fact that she never really had a relationship with Mandaar or loved him makes a huge difference compared to Raghav who did love Esha.

Also, Pallavi used to think Mandaar was a good person until she found out otherwise, while Raghav has been thinking Esha was a bad person until he just found out otherwise. We as the audience suspect her of having ulterior motives but based on what Raghav knows, she sacrificed her life's happiness to protect him. Raghav is not only grateful but also overwhelmed upon learning this. I wouldn't underestimate the impact of that weight being lifted off his chest after years of feeling unworthy of love and now realizing it wasn't about his worthiness but about his safety.

He may no longer be in love with her but the fact that they were close friends before falling in love means that a part of him will always think of her fondly as a friend even, and this doesn't make him a cheater, emotionally or physically.

Just my 2c.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

I think drunk out of senses, is still ok but then he is responsible for drinking when he knows of her feelings. But thin line going towards victim shaming. There's no consent then it's assault. Only time I can't forgive is sober plus slept with ex.

He's done a lot of mistakes today and she's definitely going to be hurt, hopefully breakdown and emotionally and physically (?) shut him out. He's done worse things to her for far less reasons.

Yeah that's assuming only if he passed out drunk and stayed passed out. Then obviously if it was E pursuing him, then he's the victim for sure.

But if he slept with her in a drunken state - conscious but drunk nonetheless, maybe thinking she was his wife (itv trauma speaking here LOL), idk if I'd consider him a victim in that situation because they're both drunk so who is going to hold who accountable for consent?

Are they both victims at that point? Idk.

I think its still betrayal in the latter situation - why get drunk in the first place in the same room where your ex is you know? Idk obviously to each their own. I get eventually forgiving someone, but its so rough lol. I would never want to be in Pallavi's shoes LOL. Even for someone as attractive as Raghav LOLLL🤣🤣

I've never been drunk so I can't comment too much on what someone can tell is happening and what they can't. But I think there's a difference between just being drunk and being so drunk you've lost all your sense, right? No? Genuinely not sure LOL.

We'd have to watch today's episode to understand but I have a feeling they're not going to show us what actually happened - we'll see what the precap showed us - drunk, fall into bed, wake up no clothes on.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

This post is just to call out the hypocrisy of this world we live in and make a short comparison between the two third angle tracks - Mandar and Esha.

1. Pallavi was always transparent with Raghav and Amma about her equation with Mandar. Whereas Raghav did not clarify the fact that Esha still loves him. He also didn't tell Pallavi the entire truth of his past with Esha and she got to know through Esha.

2. Pallavi had a clear conscience in regard to Mandar's position in her life, he was the son of her Aai and Baba and she was helping them get his memories back. Whereas Raghav's stand looks conflicted, he smiles while reciting the shlok, he cries while hearing the recording and reacts so strongly to her presence.

3. Pallavi never led Mandar on and was very clear to him that she's helping him for the sake of humanity. She was Raghav's wife and she openly declared it to the world. Raghav on the other hand, is somewhere leading Esha on by taking care of her, staying in the room etc despite knowing she loves him.

4. Pallavi went with Mandar to the doctor for a whole day (broad daylight) and was questionned for being naive and stupid (I was among those who were pissed that day) but here Raghav is drinking with the ex and sleeping in the same room, sofa or not is unacceptable unless he planned to tell Pallavi the truth (which he's practically not capable of).

5. Pallavi never lied to him about anywhere she went or any interaction with Mandar. Raghav will lie after the kand (I can understand he was drugged but he somewhere will bring this on himself for drinking after promising Pallavi not to). He can never be honest with Pallavi because he's too afraid that she'll leave him.

My take:

Raghav has always hated cheaters toh when he gets up tomorrow (he doesn't know it's a trap), he will have done the same thing he hates. Will he come clean to Pallavi or continue his mountain of lies in the name of insecurities?

Pallavi should take a step back from this relationship. He will break her trust so badly (something she gave him much before her heart), he needs to literally grovel to get her back. Pallavi pls leave for your own self-respect. He needs to realise your value and stop taking your trust for granted. You can't continue to take the full ownership of this marriage when all Raghav does is lies to you, hurt you, insults you, shut you out and make you feel like an outsider.

My questions to the whole world,

Would Raghav have let this slide if it was Mandar and Pallavi in the same situation?

Will we call Raghav a two-timer and cheater and ask Pallavi to divorce him?

The genders here play a massive role in how one will react. A man always gets a free pass for cheating (emotional / physical all of it) but a woman is asked to prove her honor. I'm so done with this.