Episode Spoiler - 12 July 2021 - Page 20

Hello! Have been a silent reader since started watching the show 2 months back. I have always been a Raghav fan since day one. But today one dialogue of Pallavi broke my heart, "Mehandi lagane Ka haq cheen liya" and only due to this I am writing. For her sake I don't want Raghav to die. They can fight, rant, complain all they want. She can go to Kolhapur or hostel or wherever she wants. But Raghav is her " aasman" and if he dies she won't be able to take it like last time. She has fallen too deep for him. She is a brave woman and doesn't need support but she also needs her soulmate. If Raghav dies she loses her soulmate. Jaya Amma is a case in point for how a woman suffers when she loses her soulmate. She became bitter towards her own child, Raghav. Pallu has suffered too much at a young age and if Raghav dies her suffering will start all over again. This girl deserves to be loved, cherished and pampered like only Raghav can. I understand that international shows especially Turkish shows tend to show tragic ends. But here I feel that Raghav and Pallavi's lives have had lot of tragedies. On top if Raghav dies it will be too tragic. He can seek revenge for the death of hi father and brother rather he should. He can go to jail but he should be alive when show ends. That's my take. Sorry if hurting anyone.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Thanks, dear. I agree with everything you've said. This was exactly my point but clearly my communication skills are lacking at this point because I've been unable to express myself well enough. 😔

And your interpretation of my words is spot on. They need to find a way to let her see what we see about him. All those drunken talks and tears of his have been in Pallavi's absence or when she's been asleep, she never saw any of it.

I keep saying that we as the audience see the 360 that the characters don't and this is worth keeping in mind when we see them lacking or failing to act appropriately in various situations.

Was he not the one who was overly expressive in his attempts to stop her at the train station? Yes, so it means he knows how to do it when he wants to and hopefully he will apply the same in their relationship, just as I hope she continues to express her emotions and expectations openly too. They both have to communicate, otherwise it's not going to work long-term.

No worries, I don't think it's an issue with your communication, I got what you were saying. Sometimes when tow people are locked in a disagreement, it's easier to interpret as someone outside the conversation, so I took the liberty to jump in.

The point on an audience's 360 perspective is spot on, it's something I'm constantly reminding myself and others of, and I think I've been harping about it since I started being active on this forum. Which is why Raghav's feelings are evident to us, but it's also fair to call him on really not giving Pallavi the security, especially with the way he's acting these days. He can be expressive when he needs to be, but I guess Pallavi has made him secure enough that he no longer feels the need to. The lack of expressiveness has explicitly started after the music evening, which solidified her commitment to make the marriage work.

Pallavi's made great progress in communicating, and I hope it stays, but I would understand if she recedes back into her shell too, with the rather insensitive response she's getting from him. The response to her little outburst today really did rub me the wrong way. I'll feel a bit cheated if we never get a closed loop on this. If they can't learn to talk and listen, they may as well cut their losses and call it quits.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Trust me when I say this, that this time I understand Raghav's position more than I ever have.. Even if he had gotten the closure wrt his past, though Im not sure how he can ever hope to get that.. Some damages are irreversible and there's nothing much one can do about it.. Nana and Arjun are not gonna come back and he has to live with the pain of their loss forvever.. Point is anyone in his position would've probably have the same intentions, even if the approach was different Its not a theft or forgery charge, its a murder charge which can ruin Keerthi's life and as a brother especially one who just got back his family, its extremely hard to do what Pallavi is expecting of him. I feel equally bad for Pallavi.Its a very unfortunate situation they are in right now. Makes me wonder if things could've been different, had Raghav not tried to hide things from her the beginning, and had tried to explain things logically.. explain to her that it is extremely unfortunate but what has happened has happened..punishing Keerthi is not going to get Mandhar back..Keerthi on her part could've sincerely apologised..maybe Pallavi would've considered..she has surprised us in the past and eventhough its a very different matter.. there was still a chance that she would've weighed her options and tried to figure out a middle way along with all concerning parties. But none of that happened.. Instead he lied to her, misled her, tried to put every road block in her way..Keerthi humiliated her and continues to do which is why as an audience I feel somewhat disappointed with Raghav eventhough I understand his position..

I agree that had Keerti being truly apologetic maybe D family could have forgiven her but that is the point right. Keerti is just not that. She ran away instead of helping the injured person. And for 2 years she tried to pretend the accident didn't happen

So what is the guarantee that she will be humble enough to accept her mistake. Raghav is a very good reader of people's moral standards because his own moral compass bar is set high due to his tragic past. When Raghav books taxi for Pallavi during Lion track and he gets the news that the taxi had an accident - he runs all the way to the spot to search for Pallavi. He didn't cause the accident - it was Lion doing it and Pallavi was his sworn enemy at that time but still he searched for her up and down the road, called her family and then sat near her shop - his moral conscience did not allow him to relax even for a moment until he sees her safe and alive. Keerti is nowhere to Raghav in this regard. Raghav knows it because she choose to hide the accident.

Why Raghav tried to put roadblocks in Pallavi's quest for truth - because he knows what befell Pallavi after her marriage and death of Mandar. He has seen the insults heaped on her by her in-laws - first the abortion scandal by Kaku and then she getting thrown out in middle of night. It is not hard for him to grasp her state of mind, her sense of wanting a closure and her determination to find the truth. Hence he framed himself so that Pallavi can get the closure and Keerti can be saved. Too bad - wifey knows husband in and out and she put 2 and 2 together to get to Keerti.

In yesterday's episode when Raghav switches the pen camera in night there is a moment when you can actually see admiration on his face - for his wife for getting this far in her quest of truth. And when Pallavi questions him he accepts softly - Yes I changed the pen. In earlier episodes he was the same person who used to say - Main aisa hich hain, Main aisa hi karega when he gives Pallavi's Saree to some order vendor and cracks deal with international exporter.

The thing is Raghav is in tight spot - maybe joining the dots and figuring out that it is not Keerti but Sunny who is responsible would help him and he will fight along with Pallavi.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

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Such a great breakdown of the episode! I've been frequenting these daily threads less and less these past few days, and I've really missed breaking these episodes down with you.

I agree with a lot of what you've written here.

On Raghav, I will be upfront in saying I don't condone his approach, at all. That said, I do understand it completely, and it is what I expected, so I'm not surprised. I may not be able to justify him, I understand perfectly. I've been pretty vocal about Pallavi getting unwarranted hatred in the past, today I feel the level of flak Raghav has been getting is as uncalled for. Unfortunately, what's happening is Raghav is suffering the fall out of Kirti's (frankly, despicable) behavior, which isn't fair to him because we know how Kirti is acting, but Raghav doesn't. What's happened is that audience tide has turned against Kirti, hugely, and since Raghav has her back, he's facing the fallout as well. It's a little unfortunate to see a fandom so polarized right now, but it's also expected, I guess, in a track like this.

I wanted to reserve judgment on Kirti as well- as you know, I've adored the girl from day 1, so I'm not able to go all out in hating her, but her behaviour has been quite upsetting. At this point, the best case scenario is that she was just a passenger in the car, and not behind the wheel- she's still complicit though. I can understand panicking and running away in the moment, especially if she and/or Sunny were under the influence, but they did leave him to die. The least she could have done is called for an ambulance anonymously. And if the precap is anything to go by, she's even taunting the wife of the man she killed about how she's going to get away with it. I agree that there's a lot more to the story right now- why does Amma believe she was in Guntur (it's a 6 hour drive from Hyderabad, so I doubt she could have just slipped away- CVs messed up, or something more)? Can she drive or not? How does Sunny figure into all this? How does Ved? But that said, it's hard for me to sympathise with her right now- any sympathy I feel is carrying over from the immense goodwill she earned with me in the past. I am dreading a conclusion to this which boils down to 'it was all Sunny's fault, evil Sunny', and I'm afraid that's where it's heading.

On Pallavi, she's the one I'm unable to find at fault in this situation TBH. Probably the only thing I've found annoying was both her and Farhad nicely telling Kirti where the confession was, and that she kept the pen with her and not with Farhad. That was dumb. I'm also dreading whatever gun pointing tamasha she's about to cause at the police station, but I'll contain my annoyance till it actually plays out. Her husband was killed, and the man she's now married to is actively blocking her from seeking justice, so I don't blame her for bulldozing. She's being far more empathetic that I would expect someone in that situation would be, and I've been rooting for some selfishness from her for a while, so I can't not cheer her on when she's finally doing it. Yes, I do wish she'd handled it a bit more elegantly with Jaya, but I'm willing to forgive that because of what she's dealing with right now from the bhai-behen. Though she doesn't speak much, the helplessness and desperation for justice is quite palpable.

On RaghVi- I actually didn't Raghav him bringing up the abortion thing, because I don't find the situations comparable wrt Pallavi taking the blame onto herself then and Raghav doing it now. Firstly, while I absolutely know it was neither your intent nor Raghav's, comparing abortion to a crime makes me uncomfortable. And second, well, Pallavi didn't jump up to take the blame onto herself, it was pinned on her and she did make attempt after attempt to disprove the allegation, which she did do with her family in the privacy of her bedroom. Considering Mansi's marriage, an innocent in the situation, was on the line, I think what she took issue with was Raghav's approach of the very public spectacle. She was primarily shielding an innocent Mansi, and not Amrutha, and even if it was Amrutha, she was covering her from social stigma, and not the well-deserved, legal and moral, consequences of a crime. That said, I was not on Pallavi's side when she was behaving that way- Raghav's name had been dragged publicly, and he had every right to clear it publicly as well. Similarly, I can't support Raghav now, no matter how much my heart hurts for the impossibly hard situation he's in.

"If Keerti goes to jail, Raghav will be mentally and emotionally finished, as will Amma from the looks of things. What family can he offer her then?"

I agree completely with what you've written here. But if Pallavi has to let go, and pretend to be happy family with the person responsible for Mandaar's death, her pain, her family's struggles, she will be emotionally finished too, and then what marriage will she be offering?

I'm so very glad we got a one-on-one between RaghVi today, I may sound like a broken record now, but their communication issues will be their downfall, and today at least felt like a step in the right direction. We've spoken before about wanting to know about Pallavi's experience of being widowed in such a traumatic situation. I was annoyed when they played a song over Pallavi sharing the last time, and I'm glad we got a glimpse of it today. Every word she said pierced my heart, and I'm pretty sure it pierced Raghav's too, but his response came across as rather insensitive to me. It was basically, "I get you, and I know you're in a terrible situation, but too bad, this is what it's gonna be, find a way to make peace with it." As audience members, we get a lot more insight into Raghav than Pallavi does, and while we do understand how strongly he feels for Pallavi, she doesn't. And after today, I won't blame her if she shuts down further and is less inclined to share- she's not really being made to feel heard, and opening up has been a challenge for her anyway.

Same with his insistence that if she needs to see punishment being served, he's happy to serve himself up on a silver platter. Again, from his perspective, I don't think there could be a bigger indication of how much he values her. The fact that he's putting himself on the line, it's proof that she features in the short list of people he values above his own self along with Jaya, Kirti and Farhad. Else he has enough and more resources to close this entire thing off without anyone being punished, and she won't be able to do a thing about it. But if I look at it from her perspective, it feels emotionally manipulative. He knows she'd never let him take the fall for such a big crime when he's not at fault, so by constantly putting himself on the line, there's a sense of 'drop this or else..' Frankly, this plan of his has seemed quite stupid ever since she found out he was trying to frame himself as the culprit, and isn't the culprit himself.

I know this is long already, but I'll make a last point- I don't think she's feeling betrayed, really, but rather disappointed and hurt. You're right, I doubt she realized he'd go this far, but all of us watching did. I'm glad in some sense that this is happening, as heart-wrenching as it is to watch. I always felt she was falling too hard, too fast, especially considering none of the lines he's crossed before their wedding were ever really addressed- the truck incident comes to mind. I was hoping she'd have some reservations, but I guess it was in character for her to go all in. I am hoping this will make her pull back a little.

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You summed up everything perfectly 🤗

You know what irked me today the most Raghav's approach towards her feelings.

Kirti's crocodile tears he hugged her and said i am here for you but to Pallavi's pain his approach came out as you said " i know you are in bad situation but deal with it."

Originally posted by: inlieu

Agree completely. She may have fallen for him and chosen him, but can she accept him 100% with all the baggage and mess it's going to bring into her life too? I used to ask, is she really going to be ok with being a don's wife? Well we're seeing the conflicts now. Only she can figure that out. I always worried that she was in for a rude shock with the way she had her rose-tinted glasses on, and I guess those are finally coming off. Let her see things the way they are and then re-assess her own priorities in life, hopefully in a direction that gives her happiness and mental peace. I would go so far as to say if Raghav isn't the best person for her long-term, she shouldn't stay with him. At the end of the day, I just want her to do right by herself and not worry too much about other people because she needs to be selfish when it come to things like this. It's all nice to have romance to please the audience but these kinds of emotional struggles are important to address so that the relationship develops (or breaks) in the right way.

@bold : honestly I fear it was just a one episode thing... this confrontation, the rude awakening..it was for the audience, not for her I think...I will be happy if the context of what happened today is not lost on Pallavi... In fact Raghav might feel guilty once again, and Pallavi might pretend like it's okay nothing happened, you were being a good brother I get you, which isn't a bad thing for the plot that she loves him unconditionally despite his flaws...but honestly it will be so unrealistic...To love is one thing, and to have rose tinted glasses for the person you love is another thing....I hope she doesn't have that, it's not really romantic...Seeing all the flaws, fighting with him over them, and even after all this choosing to listen to your heart is romantic...not blind faith/love...I like their arguments, conversations.. but sadly they get lost somewhere..

Originally posted by: PSharada

I agree that had Keerti being truly apologetic maybe D family could have forgiven her but that is the point right. Keerti is just not that. She ran away instead of helping the injured person. And for 2 years she tried to pretend the accident didn't happen

So what is the guarantee that she will be humble enough to accept her mistake. Raghav is a very good reader of people's moral standards because his own moral compass bar is set high due to his tragic past. When Raghav books taxi for Pallavi during Lion track and he gets the news that the taxi had an accident - he runs all the way to the spot to search for Pallavi. He didn't cause the accident - it was Lion doing it and Pallavi was his sworn enemy at that time but still he searched for her up and down the road, called her family and then sat near her shop - his moral conscience did not allow him to relax even for a moment until he sees her safe and alive. Keerti is nowhere to Raghav in this regard. Raghav knows it because she choose to hide the accident.

Why Raghav tried to put roadblocks in Pallavi's quest for truth - because he knows what befell Pallavi after her marriage and death of Mandar. He has seen the insults heaped on her by her in-laws - first the abortion scandal by Kaku and then she getting thrown out in middle of night. It is not hard for him to grasp her state of mind, her sense of wanting a closure and her determination to find the truth. Hence he framed himself so that Pallavi can get the closure and Keerti can be saved. Too bad - wifey knows husband in and out and she put 2 and 2 together to get to Keerti.

In yesterday's episode when Raghav switches the pen camera in night there is a moment when you can actually see admiration on his face - for his wife for getting this far in her quest of truth. And when Pallavi questions him he accepts softly - Yes I changed the pen. In earlier episodes he was the same person who used to say - Main aisa hich hain, Main aisa hi karega when he gives Pallavi's Saree to some order vendor and cracks deal with international exporter.

The thing is Raghav is in tight spot - maybe joining the dots and figuring out that it is not Keerti but Sunny who is responsible would help him and he will fight along with Pallavi.

I agree with you..and I have very similar thoughts on the whole matter..They both understand each others position so well that they are not even angry or upset with one another.. just hurt and sad that they have to stand against each other in this battle of morality/truth versus duties and obligation towards one's family. It is just unfortunate that both Raghav and Pallavi fight battles, and in most cases against each other, for people who don't deserve their kindness and loyalty. At the end of this track, obviously Keerthi is not going to jail, one way or the other, but I am hoping to see Pallavi stand vindicated and some level of justice being served either in the form of Keerthi whole heartedly and genuinely apologising for her part in all this or Raghav cutting ties with her if she refuses to change her attitude.

Originally posted by: Wilddreams

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You summed up everything perfectly 🤗

You know what irked me today the most Raghav's approach towards her feelings.

Kirti's crocodile tears he hugged her and said i am here for you but to Pallavi's pain his approach came out as you said " i know you are in bad situation but deal with it."

Well, he doesn't have any reason to believe that she's shedding crocodile tears na? He had a tough choice to make, he made it. We don't like or approve his decision, but we can't deny it's out of character. Am I disappointed? Yes. Am I surprised? No.

With regard to Pallavi, cold and insensitive is all that comes to mind with his behaviour today. He kind of lost the right to ever complain again that she doesn't share with him. Why should be? I've always believed it's impact, and not intent that matters. While his intent was good, and his heart in the right place, the impact was not okay at all. Pallavi, being who she is, is going to get over it within a couple of episodes, but as a viewer, I'll be let down if there's no closing of the loop on today's conversation.

Originally posted by: Ubiquitos

@bold : honestly I fear it was just a one episode thing... this confrontation, the rude awakening..it was for the audience, not for her I think...I will be happy if the context of what happened today is not lost on Pallavi... In fact Raghav might feel guilty once again, and Pallavi might pretend like it's okay nothing happened, you were being a good brother I get you, which isn't a bad thing for the plot that she loves him unconditionally despite his flaws...but honestly will be so unrealistic...To love is one thing, and to have rose tinted glasses for the person you love is another thing....I hope she doesn't have that, it's not really romantic...Seeing all the flaws, fighting with him over them, and even after all this choosing to listen to your heart is romantic...not blind faith/love...I like their arguments, conversations.. but sadly they get lost somewhere..

Yup, I just said the same thing. I have a feeling she'll get over it, like, tomorrow. I don't love it, and as a viewer, I'll be quite disappointed and let down, but it's what I'm expecting.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Yup, I just said the same thing. I have a feeling she'll get over it, like, tomorrow. I don't love it, and as a viewer, I'll be quite disappointed and let down, but it's what I'm expecting.

Same very low expectations... Very very low in fact that one decent scene with a depth they have after ages and we are like waah waah kya scene tha...

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Originally posted by: inlieu

Like you, I understand where Raghav is coming from but clearly it's morally not the right thing to do. He's aware of it, however, so that's good enough for me as that's what his character should be like. If he'd been totally denying that his path is the wrong one, then I would've had a major issue. Even if people are unhappy with Keerti and he's facing the brunt of it, well... c'est la vie. He will have tough times in his life and may not always be able to do the right thing. I don't expect it from him because of the way his character's been established from day 1. Sure, it's easy to expect that of other ITV ML's who claim to be good and always stick to the right path, but this character is very different so I see him with a different lens. There are many things he's done that are wrong and will continue to be wrong. I may not always agree with them but will accept that those are due to his flaws as a character.

Yep, Pallavi's stance in this matter is correct in terms of the morally right approach as well as in terms of what I would expect from her character. She's not deviating from the Pallavi that we've seen since day one so if she'd tried to be mahaan bahu by dropping the case for her in-laws or look the other way, that's when I would have had an issue. Glad they didn't write it that way. I'm also happy that she's talking about how she feels, because why shouldn't she? It's gradual growth in her character that she also cares about her own closure and how she's struggling with her emotions. She has the right to demand openness and honesty from Raghav as his life partner. Whether or not he does so is a different matter, but her ask is not out of line at all. I know that Amma has understood her predicament, which is why she didn't take it to heart that Pallavi didn't consult with her first. I find Pallavi being overwhelmed by her emotions completely normal.

You're right, my intent was never to compare the abortion with the hit and run. My point was that I was happy he brought it up because it showed her how he was comparing the two situations in terms of their strong drive to protect their families, something they share in common. The main point of conflict here isn't their willingness to sacrifice for their families but in terms of the enormity of issue here and that you literally can't just let people get away with murder. She wanted him to put aside his emotions and stand with the truth the way she was, but she's disappointed that he stuck to his goal of protecting Keerti. I didn't expect any different, and frankly if Raghav hadn't chosen to protect Keerti, it would have seemed out of character to me. Again, I don't agree with his reasoning but I know why he's thinking this way. It hurts me to see him being unable to do right by her and also himself. If he can't support her actively he could at least stop blocking her attempts, and this is why I'm so happy to hear Amma's guidance. Sometimes hearing it from another person, especially the one you love most in the world, can make a huge difference.

I don't think Raghav expects Pallavi to let go and I don't think she should drop the matter either. He knows she won't and understands why, which is how he concluded, rightly or wrongly, that offering himself up with the least he could do.

Yes, she fell too hard too fast and we'd both discussed this a few times. She's been living in the present and in a bit of a la la land so she was bound to come crashing down hard. It was much needed for her to see the big picture and think about the long-term of this relationship and what she wants out of it, so I'm glad that process has started for her. As I've asked many times on this forum, she chose to be his wife and live with him, but can she accept him 100% with all his flaws too? Can she really be a don's wife with all the madness it will bring?

Yeah, that's what it boils down to I guess- I sympathize with both. I understand both. But right now, I'm not able to support Raghav the way I'm able to support Pallavi, because there's a clear right and wrong here. He knows it, she knows it, Jaya knows it. But he's choosing to prioritize family above right and wrong, which is fine, it's his call. He's in an impossible situation, and made an impossibly difficult decision- but choices have consequences, and he'll have earned the fall out from this, whatever it ends up being.

He once said, in reference of Pallavi, emotions mein aa ke usko galat ka saath nahi dene doonga. Well, many of us said back then that had he been in the same boat, he'd have done the same thing. And that's what he's doing. Pallavi was wrong then, he is wrong now. Someone, probably Amma, needs to tell him something to the same effect.

I don't know how this arc is going to conclude, but I do hope we get some meaningful character development for Raghav soon, else this plotline will be kind of wasted IMO.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the abortion thing. I completely get what you're saying, and I respect your opinion there, but it's a little too 'apples to oranges' for me to wrap my head around and be okay with, but I did get the message of the dialogue, so I'll focus on that and ignore the aspects of the execution that made me uncomfortable.

@bold- well, I don't think she has any kind of misconceptions on the shady dealings he's a part of, she knows from the night with Ved and the fact that Nikhil was caught up in all this. I am sure she's okay with that. And she's not the only one with a decision here, he also has to decide- is he going to be a don at home as well, in his marriage, to his wife? I believe it's fair for her to expect that side of him to not apply to her.