Episode Spoiler - 2 July 2021 - Page 29

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

How well have these characters been sketched out that we are able to imagine perfectly the relationship between Ajit and Pallavi, two characters who never even crossed paths? But I completely agree, he'd have been an excellent FIL for Pallavi.

Pallavi and Jaya are definitely more of saheliyaan than anything else, and it works for me. Pallavi has a mom, she doesn't need another. Jaya has a daughter. The thing missing in both their lives is a friend. Someone they can confide in, laugh with, seek advice from, use as a sounding board, be silly with, get drunk and dance with. Them finding that in each other is so much more beautiful than seeing them form a maa/beti or a saas/bahu dynamic. It's fast shaping into one of my favorite dynamics on the show.

@bold, truly! Kudos to the writers!

Also agree on the friendship aspect, I love the way it's shaping up too!

One thing we see with both Pallavi and Amma is that they are strong women but they do not express their deepest emotions so easily, except perhaps with each other. I love that they can speak plainly with one another without embarrassment or fear of being judged. It's a very healthy way to start off the relationship and will make them resilient.

I just thought of something else. While Pallavi considers Sharda her Ayi, it has been easy being that way because she formed that bond pretty much without Mandaar ever being around. If he were there or if he were to return would it be the same? There would always be that MIL angle, even if 1%, and with the upcoming track, I don't think she'd ever be able to think of Sharda without Mandaar somehow coming into the picture.

With Amma, things will be different. Pallavi and she bond irrespective of their individual equations with Raghav. Sure, they came into each others' lives because of the marriage but I can see them stand by each other with our without Raghav in the picture. For example, if Raghav and she were to go their own ways one day, I see Pallavi still staying in touch with Amma. This is why I feel that their bond is being shown more closely, as I expect Amma to hopefully be one of her biggest sources of support when everyone else is going to be doing and saying crazy things, including Raghav.

Originally posted by: Shri_12

Jean, remember once I said we are desperate to see desperate Pallavi.

It is indeed celebratory. Most of the time we see jab husband ka mood hota Hai then only couple get intimate. It's so one sided. In a relationship both partners have equal rights to initiate things. No one becomes small or big by initiating

I had said long back that she'd fall in love and realize first, she'd initiate, and she'd choose what she wants. She has never been shown as an abla naari, bechaari kismat ki maari type of woman/widow. Even when Raghav put roadblocks for her, she decided on the challenge and went to him with the idea. Also, she's been pretty much in control of her personal dynamics with Raghav, going to his house, touching him, helping him out when he was injured, etc. She didn't need to do all that but she chose to. He may have shown his annoyance at her turning up but that's because they used to fight. It was never because he questioned her character or intent.

I also always say that Raghav is the perfect kind of life partner with whom a woman can feel at ease expressing her desires without worrying about what is typically expected of her in these matters or if he'd misunderstand her. I still hold that opinion. He never cared what people thought and doesn't expect her to, either. He knows what she feels for him but has never been condescending, demeaning, or judgmental about it. He may not be shown dwelling upon it but he accepts it and her changing emotions as things progress. Just his reaction to the drinking, which was no surprise for most of us, is another indication that he's pretty chilled out about life.

Also, we've seen Amma's eyes light up from the time she found out they were in the pool together, so even as the MIL she doesn't care about these things. The fact that she shares such fond memories and speaks openly about her love and longing for her late husband, even though she's from the previous generation, is a great thing for young people to hear. Why should she be shy or ashamed of her feelings because she's older now or because she's a widow? Similarly, why should Pallavi be ashamed of anything? Apne husband ko nahin chahegi to phir kisko chahegi?

I want to add something here about another topic: toxic masculinity. It's not discussed much but the fact is that a lot of men feel immense pressure to take the lead, perform, etc. just because of social conditioning. Why? Is that fair? Nope. They may be shy, introverted, want to take it slow to first understand their wife better, wait for cues from the woman so as not to pressure her, etc. Physical intimacy may not be the top prio for them at the start of a relationship. Why is it ok for a woman to say she needs time but not for a man?

So then we have these situations where women acknowledging and expressing their natural desires is frowned upon and men who don't conform to the preconceived notion of being an alpha in this matter are also judged unfairly. Ugh... At the end of the day, every couple is different and they need to figure out their own dynamics. Doesn't matter who takes the initiative, just be true to yourself and to your spouse, communicate what you want, and don't waste time worrying what people will think - this happens in the bedroom, so only the couple decides.

Quoting Hanuman Singh here: sabse bada rog, kya kahenge log.

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold, truly! Kudos to the writers!

Also agree on the friendship aspect, I love the way it's shaping up too!

One thing we see with both Pallavi and Amma is that they are strong women but they do not express their deepest emotions so easily, except perhaps with each other. I love that they can speak plainly with one another without embarrassment or fear of being judged. It's a very healthy way to start off the relationship and will make them resilient.

I just thought of something else. While Pallavi considers Sharda her Ayi, it has been easy being that way because she formed that bond pretty much without Mandaar ever being around. If he were there or if he were to return would it be the same? There would always be that MIL angle, even if 1%, and with the upcoming track, I don't think she'd ever be able to think of Sharda without Mandaar somehow coming into the picture.

With Amma, things will be different. Pallavi and she bond irrespective of their individual equations with Raghav. Sure, they came into each others' lives because of the marriage but I can see them stand by each other with our without Raghav in the picture. For example, if Raghav and she were to go their own ways one day, I see Pallavi still staying in touch with Amma. This is why I feel that their bond is being shown more closely, as I expect Amma to hopefully be one of her biggest sources of support when everyone else is going to be doing and saying crazy things, including Raghav.

I am stunned by how openly Pallavi and Jaya share their emotions with each other, considering how closed off they are. It speaks greatly to the sense of security they both have given each other, a kind of mutual bond neither shares with anyone else. I love Sharda's affection for Pallavi, and the mom-daughter bond they have is believable to me, but one thing that bothered me a lot about Sharda is that she failed to create this security for Pallavi. Pallavi never felt she could share her mind freely, share her stresses. It's why when at the wedding, Sharda was begging for her to just tell her what's going on, but she didn't. She never did it before, she's wasn't about to start then, with the stakes much higher than ever before. Perhaps this was precisely because Sharda was a mom, and Pallavi felt protective of her, but either way, this free sharing of concerns and seeking advice aspect was missing there.

I agree with you completely regarding the fact that Jaya and Pallavi now have something independent of Pallavi's relationship with Raghav, and yes, had Mandaar not died immediately after the wedding, maybe Sharda/Pallavi won't have this kind of relationship. Now that it exists though, what kind of cracks do you think Mandaar's reappearance will bring?

@bold- this line reminded me of this really sweet ad, and I can absolutely imagine this being Jaya and Pallavi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlb4SfKhsdM

Originally posted by: PSharada

I think it was more of Vijay being an emotional abuser to everyone in the house. Only Sharda stood up to him when he threw Pallavi out middle of night. I feel all his life Vijay was like - it is either my way or the highway with his family be it his brother, his wife or his sons. None of them opposed him because he was head of family. Aayi genuinely opposed him during the abortion track and throwing out scene but Vijay brushed it off. I guess Vijay demanding Raghav wash his feet totally showed these people his obsessive emotional abuse. It was then Milind started to stand up to Vijay and so did Amrutha and Sharda. Even Pallavi broke off her ties after seeing his ghathiya harkat.

So true…it was about the patriarchy, no one stood up to him. Raghav’s indirect influence on pallavi was When first time she stood up to him, he clearly realized he was loosing the grip. That reason he hated Raghav (called him kala saya on our family) Like they say courage is contagious, so Ayi , milind and amrutha followed the suit.

He questioned Raghav’s upbringing, that’s reason I badly want mandar to be a crook. Kinda poetic justice.I wish pallavi leave DES and peruse her dream , may be open a Kathak school and name after both sharda and Jaya.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Closure... that's what all this is about isn't it, for both of them? Neither has Raghav been able to tie loose ends and move ahead nor has she. This is probably what will happen during the Mandaar track, where Raghav will not only see the D-fam dynamics better but also realize that Pallavi genuinely is happier without them, hopefully with her articulating it.

He still hasn't absorbed the true meaning of what she meant when she chose him over them. It wasn't a sacrifice or the honorable thing to do, but it's because her heart wanted that. We as the audience see these two from 360 degrees, but they only see bits and pieces of each other. On top of that, they never truly tell each other how they feel. For example, when Pallavi returned from the Ds, sure she was angry with him, she told him she prioritized him, but in all this there was no mention of what she was feeling after severing those ties. She didn't go into the anger or hurt that she was feeling for her own self, even though it was clearly there. Her walking out of the house was as much for herself as for him, and to sever ties with a family who less than a month ago was the basis for her existence isn't something trivial. She just never talked to him about how she feels, and even if she did, he'd wallow in further guilt.

I believe Raghav's conscious is a heavyweight and his self-flagellation can cloud his judgement where his personal life is concerned. Farhad telling him that he was indeed as bad as people made him out to be can't have been easy but it was necessary for him to take drastic action.

While he needs Pallavi to forgive him, he also has to learn to forgive himself. That's the biggest challenge, actually.

Yes of course..the circumstances under which they got married and everything that happened eversince has been nothing short of a rollercoaster so they never really had a chance to sit and talk about everything. There was a lot going on between them even before the MU.. what was the reason of the constant friction, the earlier MUs they both had about each other, the ego clashes.?? The clearing of Keerthi's MU was a small part of all that has building up between the two but there still are a lot of issues that have remained unresolved so in that sense both of them have entered into this relationship with a lot of past baggage..Raghav may very well be repenting for a lot of his earlier actions too subconsciously, now that he knows her better..the times he tried to make her life hell so that she leaves town which was again because of a MU that till date no one has bothered to clear out.. He did some pretty horrible things and who knows all that maybe still be weighing on his conscience because he never really got to apologize for all that..

@bold- this I absolutely agree with.. It means a lot to him, whatever she said that day but I don't think he considers himself worthy of all that attention and love.. or understands why she said what she said... They definitely need to talk and they don't do that enough..or should I say at all.. In Pallavi's defence, that day she did say a lot of things and I am assuming it would be regarding the hurt and anger she felt for herself..the reason she has been tolerant to a lot of injustice she faced in that house that she now realizes she shouldn't have...but neither Raghav nor the audience got to hear any of that because we got a nice song playing in the background instead, reflecting Raghav's feelings who was too overwhelmed with emotions to register anything she was saying at that point.. I enjoyed watching Raghav's expressions that day but in the hindsight I wish we got to hear what Pallavi was saying..more importantly I wish Raghav heard everything she said..

@bold - absolutely..

@bold, truly! Kudos to the writers!

Also agree on the friendship aspect, I love the way it's shaping up too!

One thing we see with both Pallavi and Amma is that they are strong women but they do not express their deepest emotions so easily, except perhaps with each other. I love that they can speak plainly with one another without embarrassment or fear of being judged. It's a very healthy way to start off the relationship and will make them resilient.

I just thought of something else. While Pallavi considers Sharda her Ayi, it has been easy being that way because she formed that bond pretty much without Mandaar ever being around. If he were there or if he were to return would it be the same? There would always be that MIL angle, even if 1%, and with the upcoming track, I don't think she'd ever be able to think of Sharda without Mandaar somehow coming into the picture.

From day one of tied up relation , pallavi adopted to a role given to her, a widow shunned her desire and became meal ticket for the selfish D family.(most of them). Sharda has always been a Ayi to her, now with mandar’ s emergence the equation will change. Sharda loved him a lot, and she just accepted pallavi is link for entire family connection and happiness. Might compel her come back.So initially Motherly love will overpower the saas love. But Once she’ll see pallavi loves Raghav she will be her Ayi again. This is my guess, and I suck at guessing 😂

With Amma, things will be different. Pallavi and she bond irrespective of their individual equations with Raghav. Sure, they came into each others' lives because of the marriage but I can see them stand by each other with our without Raghav in the picture. For example, if Raghav and she were to go their own ways one day, I see Pallavi still staying in touch with Amma. This is why I feel that their bond is being shown more closely, as I expect Amma to hopefully be one of her biggest sources of support when everyone else is going to be doing and saying crazy things, including Raghav.

Even before marriage amma had high regards for pallavi, Tamcha bhi zad diya tha BB ko , when sulo filthy talking. But ab to 🍷 and 🥃 sath peene lage hain, inka bandhan to ab Hyderabad ka Don be nahi tod payega😂. She has been Team Pallavi from get go.
I do agree Amma will be biggest support in coming days, and my hope is she doesn’t go into log kya kahenge mode. Learn a very good trait of her son give a damn about social norms.

Originally posted by: inlieu

+1 for not having negative Mandaar, at least not negative as a husband. It would have made Pallavi's dilemma far more interesting. Baaki sab I don't care, since Raghav is a don in the first place.

With Mandaar coming, I’m guessing Ved Is done. And if the guy(mandar) is a good actor I would like him to be negative. I’m done seeing incompetent villains like sunky, Bb , khajoor. Do not want Raghav to get rusty😂. If not make him crook, a tapori type, pick pocketing and chain snatcher kind 😂😂