Sunny and Raghav: Converging and Diverging - Page 4

Originally posted by: OceanicHeart.

Hahaha if anyone thinks we are in anyway defending sunny their bad. We are calling out a spade, spade ! 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yeah the way Raghav had behaved with that first girl gosh. The thing is after just those epis they completely changed it. Never again we saw Raghav's misogynist behaviour.

Infact in the epi where Pallavi is unconscious on highway. Raghav actually says, "We should protect women as they are the backbone of our society"

So I like to think that Raghav is not an outright MCP. More like when he is angry he said those rude words to Pallu.

Also the first girl was not even bothered by his comment infact she found him hot. Like wtf 🤣

Such a horrible depiction by CVs.

I agree with you Raghav too has invaded Pallavi's privacy. But all seems to be forgotten now.

But I will also give it to the CVs for showing a good redemption track.

Infact in ITV male leads never get a redemption track.

I will also appreciate RR when he reminded Pallavi not to keep a fast for him as he has done horrible things to her in past. 👏

I'm liking that CVs remember that Raghav was a flawed character 👍🏼

I skipped his episodes with Anjali and the other girl 🤣🤣. The first girl was she a hooker ? I mean in India if you're a hot girl and looking for some fun time , there are guys willing to throw themselves at you .. unless she is a prostitute in it for money , I dont know why anyone would put up with this behaviour 🤣🤣

Originally posted by: Medha0609

There could be another purpose to the drunk night scene and conversation with his servants which is to portray that Raghav isn’t a bad person in his heart but just a man who has been hardened by life experiences which have made him a very bitter person.

Otherwise I agree to everything you said even if he is protective of his staff and workers and cares for them it still doesn’t justify him being rude to them whenever he feels like it because being a little rude when you are stressed or upset can be excused if you don’t actually demean them because of their status because kabhi kabhi ho jaata hai IRL also but he gets extremely rude when he is in a bad mood and says hurtful stuff.

Another purpose of the drunk scene was to show Raghav is not a misogynist at heart and that deep down he has good values because no matter how much he troubled Pallavi he never thought of her as less and thought of her as a worthy opponent which a true misogynistic person would never do they actually think of women as less than men and also he covered her with his coat when her coat when her blouse got torn showing however badtameez he might be he still respects women somewhere deep down because that’s what his Amma nanna had taught him.

But as far as inexcusable behaviour goes I do agree with you entirely the truck thing really is inexcusable and in fact I want Pallavi to have a nightmare because of that incident once when they start sharing a room he should know to what extent he had scared her.

And though we know Raghav never really intended to harm or assault Pallavi in that cornering her on a deserted road and only wanted to scare her, it’s still inexcusable as for a girl in that situation it would have been downright terrifying and yes it’s every girl’s worst nightmare and Raghav having a sister should have kept that in mind.

Also this is all fictional so reconciliation ka socha bhi jaa sakta hai only because of the superb redemption track given to Raghav but in reality even the forced marriage thing alone is bad enough to not be excused and truck thing was just too much and no one seriously no one would excuse this.

@bold: They should actually show smth like this and dig deeper into the relationship quo between these two.

Excellent analysis of their characters

This has been a topic of interest for me 🤣.

Raghav in the initial episodes was such an ass , glad they toned him down , having said that even In the earlier episodes when Pallavi slapped him in the market , he let her go rather easily considering his don wala image . I doubt sunny would let such a thing go easily.

I don't understand Sunny's hate towards Pallavi . She hasn't always been rude to him. When Raghav and Pallavi go to his place for his help, she was rather nice to him , while Raghav was rude . He didn't seem to mind RRs rudeness 🙄.

Originally posted by: Neha054

I skipped his episodes with Anjali and the other girl 🤣🤣. The first girl was she a hooker ? I mean in India if you're a hot girl and looking for some fun time , there are guys willing to throw themselves at you .. unless she is a prostitute in it for money , I dont know why anyone would put up with this behaviour 🤣🤣

I assumed she was one or a girl who was behind him just for his money and that’s why I felt Raghav has never misbehaved with her. She was with him for money and he made it clear that he is just spending time with her and nothing more than that. He has always been open in what he thinks of others & that’s the only trait which I can see same in Sunny but we can never say Raghav misbehaved with Pallavi. If it was not for the MU, he admired her strong qualities and had felt she was different from the other girls who usually fall on him just for his money.

Originally posted by: Medha0609

There could be another purpose to the drunk night scene and conversation with his servants which is to portray that Raghav isn’t a bad person in his heart but just a man who has been hardened by life experiences which have made him a very bitter person.

Otherwise I agree to everything you said even if he is protective of his staff and workers and cares for them it still doesn’t justify him being rude to them whenever he feels like it because being a little rude when you are stressed or upset can be excused if you don’t actually demean them because of their status because kabhi kabhi ho jaata hai IRL also but he gets extremely rude when he is in a bad mood and says hurtful stuff.

Another purpose of the drunk scene was to show Raghav is not a misogynist at heart and that deep down he has good values because no matter how much he troubled Pallavi he never thought of her as less and thought of her as a worthy opponent which a true misogynistic person would never do they actually think of women as less than men and also he covered her with his coat when her coat when her blouse got torn showing however badtameez he might be he still respects women somewhere deep down because that’s what his Amma nanna had taught him.

But as far as inexcusable behaviour goes I do agree with you entirely the truck thing really is inexcusable and in fact I want Pallavi to have a nightmare because of that incident once when they start sharing a room he should know to what extent he had scared her.

And though we know Raghav never really intended to harm or assault Pallavi in that cornering her on a deserted road and only wanted to scare her, it’s still inexcusable as for a girl in that situation it would have been downright terrifying and yes it’s every girl’s worst nightmare and Raghav having a sister should have kept that in mind.

Also this is all fictional so reconciliation ka socha bhi jaa sakta hai only because of the superb redemption track given to Raghav but in reality even the forced marriage thing alone is bad enough to not be excused and truck thing was just too much and no one seriously no one would excuse this.

I agree with you. His redemption track has been so good that we can forgive him for his initial mistakes. The truck scene was inexcusable and I would like them to have a talk on this sometime.

Originally posted by: Neha054

I skipped his episodes with Anjali and the other girl 🤣🤣. The first girl was she a hooker ? I mean in India if you're a hot girl and looking for some fun time , there are guys willing to throw themselves at you .. unless she is a prostitute in it for money , I dont know why anyone would put up with this behaviour 🤣🤣

Tbh I don't know. They never elaborated on it. 😆

But I think it was once again done to show that RR didn't like girls. The whole vibe was supposed to set the theme that RR is just a playboy.

He said to her my car value is more than you 😂😂😂

Also another interesting line was that I'm with girls only till that limit till where they don't cross their limit

The deal with Anjali was that she wanted to cheat on her fiance but Raghav has some moral code.

So basically it was just to show that RR is a flawed character. So the basic line was in Intial episodes was RR maybe a MCP or playboy but he will not misbehave with a girl or cross any line with her.

What do you guys think about this ?

Originally posted by: Diya2021

I assumed she was one or a girl who was behind him just for his money and that’s why I felt Raghav has never misbehaved with her. She was with him for money and he made it clear that he is just spending time with her and nothing more than that. He has always been open in what he thinks of others & that’s the only trait which I can see same in Sunny but we can never say Raghav misbehaved with Pallavi. If it was not for the MU, he admired her strong qualities and had felt she was different from the other girls who usually fall on him just for his money.

I thought so too .

I haven't watched all the initial episodes completely , I didn't see him slapping his servants or how he behaved with Anjali and the other girl ...so I have been biased towards him, but RR in thr initial episodes seems to be too problematic :/

We live in a misogynist society and unfortunately most men hold some degree of misogynistic views. Then again most dont go out of their way to prove a point to women , they mostly hold those views to themselves or only talk shit ,but don't do much about it. Then there are toxic males who will go any length to ruin a girl they think havw wronged them

Like you said Raghav wouldn't have gone out of his way to ruin Pallavi had it not been for his misunderstandings. His mother and sister are quite independent and he liked Pallavi for these qualities. He is a harmless misogynist in that sense.

Sunny on the other hand seems to have some pretty strong views on how a woman should behave and keeps threatening to ruin Pallavi. They can still show him to be a good person , but his dialogues are heavily misogynistic ... I doubt they will have a redemption for him like RR

I think Raghav is very different from Sunny. Because Sandy started to show that Raghav considers women as golddiggers which was actually true for women like the one who came initially and tried to hook up with him for money but it stopped there and then. I thought Raghav too like every other ITV ML will be shown having hatred towards women because of a past rship but that never happened. They corrected it v soon and after episode 7-8 i never heard Raghav say any general MCP stuff against women. And that’s actually very justified considering he only has a mother and a sister as family. He did some really mean things to Pallavi but that’s because he considered her an equally capable enemy. He always respected Sharda and all other women in Pallavi’s house. Even he behaved nicely with Amruta. I never ever heard Raghav say that Pallavi should remain in her limits coz she is a girl. He always praised her for her guts and enjoyed messing with her. Her capability NEVER made Raghav feel any less of a man but provoked and intimidated him more to be a better competitor. Whereas Sunny sweared in front of Amma at their first meeting itself. It irritates Sunny if Pallavi tries to have an opinion. He thinks women shouldn’t have an opinion.

About staff, Raghav was always straight forward and bossy to his staff but never insulted them. Never used the word ‘aukad’ with them.

Also Raghav is v straight forward. He says what he means. He doesn’t manipulate people like Sunny manipulated Keerti and Raghav both.

Raghav has temper issues but he doesn’t demean people unnecessarily.

That IS a thesis Ashi, very detailed and very accurate, beautifully articulated as always and it goes without saying that I completely agree with everything..

I will loosely touch upon the points you raised and try and keep it short..

1. I don't think Raghav was ever portrayed as a misogynist...His views about women in general were not something you'd associate with misogyny. He was an MCP but only with Pallavi and that was more personal than gender related.. The scene where he carried an unconscious Pallavi back to RR mansion he said that women are the ones who actually rule/run this world.. I can't imagine Sunny saying that ever in his senses or otherwise..

2. Raghav is badtameez sure..but hypothetically speaking if his staff, including Harish who he slapped, Farhad who he talks to very rudely a lot of times(that I despise), Rama or Shri..are asked to rate Raghav as a boss or a human being in general., I can guarantee they will rate him very high in both departments.. Harish and Farhad, his closest allies, both are fiercely loyal to him, defend him behind his back..Anna aise nahi hai, achhe insaan hai etc etc they said all that to Pallavi..even Rama when he explained why he tolerates Raghav's badtameezi..why? Loyalty can not be bought.. It is because despite of how he treats them when his fuse is off, they know deep down he cares for them, will stand by them when in need, values their work.. I can never imagine the staff be loyal or speak so highly of their boss, if Sunny was their boss... because has a strong prejudice for the weak and downtrodden..he believes in hierarchy.. naukar and malik ka status quo bane rehna chahiye..

3. Lastly, and this is important and lil complicated..there is a marked difference between the way Raghav and Sunny treat their women(when in love like Sunny is or having feelings that could grow into love like Raghav does).The Raghav we saw pre-marriage is indefensible so not gonna defend any of his actions.. but it won't be a fair comparison if I compare Sunny to that Raghav simply because he was not in love with Pallavi then.. He still isn't but he is well on his way to be.. I have nothing against live in honestly..but I think the reason Sunny is an advocate of that route is not because of his disillusionment about the idea of marriage that he blames his divorced parents for... I think its because he personally has commitment issues.. ''ek gayi, chhatees ayengi'' Blaming it on his parents divorce is a convenient way out because girls like Keerthi empathize and go all soft on such guys.. bechara Sunny and all ..and it played out well for him.. but a guy who is actually serious about a girl and loves her ''beintehaan'' would never treat her the way Sunny did yesterday. I was on the fence about Sunny... but after his blackmail stunt and the way he has been eversince.. clearly shows that makers have decided to turn him negative and it has worked..because I am not on the fence anymore as are most viewers I am sure.. Again, not being judgemental about marriage over live-in but just saying that Raghav in all his hatred and revenge mode, still did respect marriage and the sanctity of it..he followed all rituals properly from his end.. My point is I see live in as marriage, where two people commit to be together minus the social rituals or a public acceptance.. But Sunny seems to see live-in as a temporary arrangement where he can be with the girl as long as HE likes or wants and leave when he finds it hard to continue for x,y,z reason.. its all his choice, all about him..he doesn't care what Keerthi wants..

This has turned out to be a mini thesis..sorry! I will end it at that.. Sunny started out fine but the character has drastically changed in past few days.. now I can not root for him..

Also like others said, whatever Raghav did with Pallo wasn't heightened by or affected by pallo being a woman. She was an enemy who he was out to destroy, gender didn't matter until he used to it to defame her in front of her in laws.