Sunny and Raghav: Converging and Diverging - Page 5

Im sure everyone's heard of that popular saying " dont argue with stupid people, they drag you down to their level and then beat you by experience" This is what must have been on Pallavi's mind when she let go Sunny after he compared his badtameezi to Raghav's..her dignified silence is exactly what Sunny deserved.

Since I am lazy to type a long detailed comment, I'll share some of my own opinion rather than replying to your whole thread.

●I was a Sunki shipper till last week even though I hated his entry. He is being sexist and egoist in current episodes. If he get a redemption track, I might start to ship them again as long as he don't do some huge blunder.

P.S. I am a fan of Kush from DD days, so there is a chance I might be partial towards him.

●Unlike majority of fan, I was never a fan of Raghav in initial episodes. Pallavi was the only reason I decided to give this show a chance. He was a broken soul but that don't justify his actions at all. I was never able to connect to his character before marriage as it was so inconsistent. One moment he is a playboy, arrogant and rude business man and next moment he is loving and caring philanthropist.

But there were certain qualities in him which I loved. Like never raising his hands on women and not manhandling Pallavi even when his anger was out of control unlike usual ITV ML. The one time he accidentally hurted her he apologised and even applied ointment on her. Another one is not punishing innocents even if it cost him high and his upfront nature. He always play his game from front and never shy away from saying the truth and he proudly accepts all his actions and deeds. This qualities in him is the reason why I accepted his character even after all his atrocities. And his change after knowing the truth and the way he was ready to accept the consequences of his actions kinda impressed me.

That's all and thank you for reading my long useless rant.

P.S.Thank you for taking a effort to start this topic. This was a much needed thread 🤗.

Originally posted by: Medha0609

There could be another purpose to the drunk night scene and conversation with his servants which is to portray that Raghav isn’t a bad person in his heart but just a man who has been hardened by life experiences which have made him a very bitter person.

Otherwise I agree to everything you said even if he is protective of his staff and workers and cares for them it still doesn’t justify him being rude to them whenever he feels like it because being a little rude when you are stressed or upset can be excused if you don’t actually demean them because of their status because kabhi kabhi ho jaata hai IRL also but he gets extremely rude when he is in a bad mood and says hurtful stuff.

Another purpose of the drunk scene was to show Raghav is not a misogynist at heart and that deep down he has good values because no matter how much he troubled Pallavi he never thought of her as less and thought of her as a worthy opponent which a true misogynistic person would never do they actually think of women as less than men and also he covered her with his coat when her coat when her blouse got torn showing however badtameez he might be he still respects women somewhere deep down because that’s what his Amma nanna had taught him.

But as far as inexcusable behaviour goes I do agree with you entirely the truck thing really is inexcusable and in fact I want Pallavi to have a nightmare because of that incident once when they start sharing a room he should know to what extent he had scared her.

And though we know Raghav never really intended to harm or assault Pallavi in that cornering her on a deserted road and only wanted to scare her, it’s still inexcusable as for a girl in that situation it would have been downright terrifying and yes it’s every girl’s worst nightmare and Raghav having a sister should have kept that in mind.

Also this is all fictional so reconciliation ka socha bhi jaa sakta hai only because of the superb redemption track given to Raghav but in reality even the forced marriage thing alone is bad enough to not be excused and truck thing was just too much and no one seriously no one would excuse this.

Yup, I don't think we're saying different things! Of course, he's the lead, so it goes without saying that he's good at heart. I feel like initially they were trying to balance the extreme behaviour with positive traits like charity, nice to kids, etc...but when it didn't seem sufficient, they went ahead with more explicit scenes to set the record straight with viewers about those specific behaviours.

@bold- that's such an interesting idea! I'd honestly love to see that.

@red- Yup, see, we know as viewers that there are lines he wouldn't have crossed, but if I put myself in that situation, it's bloodcurdling, which is why it made me so uncomfortable.

Originally posted by: SRKian

I totally get you about the truck and pole scene. Although,I'll be honest these two scenes didn't make as mad when I thought from raghav's character pov. I mean he was supposed to be a don yehi karegna.And the pole scene is one of my fav raghvi scenes(ik it's extremely problematic but since its fiction I went with it) I freaking loved raghav in that scene and I won't lie about it🙈 Having said that, see how so many of us gushed over raghav even after he invaded her privacy time and again yet we go extra had on sunny😆 I can assure you had sunny been in raghav's place in the epi where raghav was looking at pallu's kamar,we would've levelled him as a pervert/creep and what not but since it's raghav and he's the hero to chalta hain😆

From that perspective, it was an excellent scene. I was disturbed because of what I described, but that's just a personal preference on my end with regards to what kind of characters I enjoy. The scenes were excellently executed, and perfectly in character. Actually, it's so fascinating- if I look from Raghav's perspective, he went soft on her. From Pallavi's, it would have been downright terrifying.

As for gushing, well of course! He's the male lead, so we know from day one ki yeh sudhar jaayega, so we feel okay rooting for him. With side characters, we don't know which way it'll go, so we're much more cautious.

@bold- That's pretty much the bottom line- we're having these conversations in context of it being fictional, warna we all know both men have crossed lines which can't be uncrossed.

Beautiful post and great Analysis. I agree with you that Raghav did lot of bad things in initial episodes. But right from the first episode they showed his good heart - in the very first episode he buys sindoor from the girl selling even though he has no use for it and gives 500 Rs for 1 bottle. He tells her to go home instead of being out selling. He knows what it is to be poor. I an yet to see a tender moment like that from Sunny.

Regarding the truck incident - I differ a slight bit here. Raghav after a really long time got his mother to come with him to the award presentation and bam right at that comes out the photos that Anjali leaks thereby causing his mother to collapse. I guess he gets angry that Pallavi might have been involved and hence he does that truck stunt. Had Anjali not did her sleeping thing stunt, he was mightily impressed by Pallu's dedication and work ethics including doing catering at old age home. In fact he says this girl is not that bad. Regarding Sunny he seems to have a male only superior attitude - he readily helped Raghav and Lion but I am yet to see him helping a woman in need. Raghav was obnoxious in the beginning too but acknowledges Pallu' s grit during the old age home catering event.

In the anger of Anjali's trick when RR buys pallu's shop and she comes to talk to him, Raghav ups the AC in the hall. When Pallavi's blouse gets torn and we see Raghav is watching her in cctv camera - there is a split second remorse that Raghav feels for Pallavi. He turns his eyes away till Pallavi covers herself and when she is about to leave his house he gives her his jacket as he knows with a torn blouse she might be leered at when she is walking back to her shop. So Raghav even when he was doing bad things Creative's balanced his character with these small things.

Later on Raghav and Pallavi's fight were more on who will win the 30 day challenge. Raghav never shows Pallavi down for being a girl. In fact during the sangeet episode when Pallavi steps outside, Raghav is out on the road. I am assuming it is because he saw her stepping out late at night - he just was making sure she is safe. And when Pallavi takes help of random people Raghav could have walked out and went back to the function to be with his Amma but he follows the car and rescues Pallavi. He didn't need to but gives Pallavi moral support when she goes to the lady trying to dupe her. So yes Raghav is way better than Sunny even when there was no love between them and Raghav - Pallavi were in challenge mode. Sunny - I haven't seen him talk to Keerti with respect - love toh door ki baat hain.

And the redemption arc of Raghav was really good. The moment he realises that D family is not worthy of Pallavi, he doesn't hesitate to declare that Pallavi is his responsibility. She is his wife and he will take care of her. He also doesn't disrespect the sanctity of marriage and does all the rituals.

Sunny has to show a tremendous change. It depends on what creative's decide but right now there is not one scene where his character can be expected to grow.

Originally posted by: Isamreen

Great post 👍🏼

Infact I was thinking to write about Raghav and Sunny and Sunny as a character this sun 🤣

You have summed it up so well...

My concern with sunny is basically his misagony...

While he seems to be a helping hand to strangers ( he had helped both Raghav and Lion) although he deemed it as favour to both of them...

He is a good friend - he asks his friend rocky time and again to refrain from doing anything suspicious...and even helped him outta the situation..

He can be very charming and convincing at times...

But if someone opposes him or challenges his believes he goes nuts especially if it is oppo gender, be it amma/ Pallavi or the love of his life Keerthi...

I can't forget the words he said to her today....

" Tu koi hoor ki pari nahi hai, teri jaisi 36 aayin hai aur 36 aayengi" uff

I mean I totally get it like Raghav he is a grey character and probably had to stay away from fam so all the gaps in his personality.... Even Raghav related him to this bit...

Maybe makers are trying to show how the MU and distance from fam can create a confused and flawed person..

But again like Pallavi says even she didn't had parents so it doesn't mean the excuse for his pathetic behaviour...

Over all I am confused and I am okay with him getting married to Keerthi but only after he realises his mistakes like how Raghav did....👍🏼

Yeah, I think up until a week ago, they kept us on edge with him. Gave him both good and bad traits. But this week, yikes. The comments have been pretty repulsive, towards both Pallavi and Kirti. Today's hoor ki pari line and vidhwa gareeb line had me all 🤢

But I'm still keen to see where they take this plot!

Just read through your conversation, and yup, completely agree. Mad props to the makers for bringing Raghav back from a point where it honestly didn't seem possible to me. Extremely well written and executed, and I also agree that it's great that they took feedback from responses, and course corrected accordingly. It made for a much better and more enjoyable, IMO.

Originally posted by: Neha054

Excellent analysis of their characters

This has been a topic of interest for me 🤣.

Raghav in the initial episodes was such an ass , glad they toned him down , having said that even In the earlier episodes when Pallavi slapped him in the market , he let her go rather easily considering his don wala image . I doubt sunny would let such a thing go easily.

I don't understand Sunny's hate towards Pallavi . She hasn't always been rude to him. When Raghav and Pallavi go to his place for his help, she was rather nice to him , while Raghav was rude . He didn't seem to mind RRs rudeness 🙄.

I mean, he cornered her in a pretty scary situation in the middle of the night. Wahin pe waapis thappad maar deta toh shaayad less scary hota for Pallavi, but I get what you're saying. From his perspective, he actually let her go easy.

@bold- haan, it's a bit weird. Is it just because she's a woman, and isn't submissive in front of him like he believes women should be? Raghav, as a powerful man, is a worthy opponent. Pallavi, as a woman, is just an annoyance, and how dare she talk back to him?

Originally posted by: OceanicHeart.

Tbh I don't know. They never elaborated on it. 😆

But I think it was once again done to show that RR didn't like girls. The whole vibe was supposed to set the theme that RR is just a playboy.

He said to her my car value is more than you 😂😂😂

Also another interesting line was that I'm with girls only till that limit till where they don't cross their limit

The deal with Anjali was that she wanted to cheat on her fiance but Raghav has some moral code.

So basically it was just to show that RR is a flawed character. So the basic line was in Intial episodes was RR maybe a MCP or playboy but he will not misbehave with a girl or cross any line with her.

What do you guys think about this ?

Lol, I just think she was a simple hook up/one night stand. Why would he need to hire someone, with the way women were willing to throw themselves at him?

Uss bandi mein toh koi self respect thi hi nahi. Yeh bakwaas kiye jaa raha tha, and she was just gushing over that. No wonder he had issues with women if these were the kind he was used to. He kicked her out because she was crossing those limits of attachment, with all those comments about the sindoor he bought etc.

Anjali waala toh saara plot, beginning to end, I found hilarious, so I'll not comment.

Originally posted by: Neha054

I thought so too .

I haven't watched all the initial episodes completely , I didn't see him slapping his servants or how he behaved with Anjali and the other girl ...so I have been biased towards him, but RR in thr initial episodes seems to be too problematic :/

We live in a misogynist society and unfortunately most men hold some degree of misogynistic views. Then again most dont go out of their way to prove a point to women , they mostly hold those views to themselves or only talk shit ,but don't do much about it. Then there are toxic males who will go any length to ruin a girl they think havw wronged them

Like you said Raghav wouldn't have gone out of his way to ruin Pallavi had it not been for his misunderstandings. His mother and sister are quite independent and he liked Pallavi for these qualities. He is a harmless misogynist in that sense.

Sunny on the other hand seems to have some pretty strong views on how a woman should behave and keeps threatening to ruin Pallavi. They can still show him to be a good person , but his dialogues are heavily misogynistic ... I doubt they will have a redemption for him like RR

@bold- I completely agree! This is one of the most jarring differences that comes to mind, when I think of the two being compared. Sunny's dialogues are extremely overboard these days.