Celebs' mutual blindness - Page 7

Originally posted by: enigmatic_zephy

More than central govt. , it is state govt. fault this time..

Last time: food was provided by central.

Take delhi for e.g. , they were given funds to setup 8 oxygen plants. Kejriwal created 1. Where is the rest of the money. 1500 hospital was setup last time, what was the hurry to dismantle it.. Delhi's problems are not because of center but totally because of Delhi's CM.

Last time when Center enforced precautions, lockdown etc.. infections were less. This time, everyone knew all countries were going through second wave... and yet states did nothing..

When mumbai cases started to appear, why was Maharastra not cutoff.. travel should have been banned.. it very quickly spread to MP (close to Maha).. and so on.. its really all on state govt. this time

Objectively, people should question state govt. instead of going after modi

modi dancing on bengal streets for votes / kumbh mela in UP / are these too from Maharashtra 🤣

Originally posted by: oyebollywood

modi dancing on bengal streets for votes / kumbh mela in UP / are these too from Maharashtra 🤣

Dude, Kumbh mela was in Uttarakhand and not UP. Not that I'm defending it par atleast look up the map before pouring out allegations?

This is the problem, forming opinions on the basis of insta/twitter viral posts.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Nothing is sorrier in this situation than hiding behind bureaucratic skirts.

The pandemic has been going on since early 2020. More than 1 year to prepare. The 2 vaccines currently in use in India were given emergency approval, not regular approval.

The mRNA vaccines are only JUST NOW being trialed on 100 patients with merely 1 WEEK of monitoring.

The govt didn't bother to trial them until now. And is not doing a proper trial even now as is being implied.

The refrigerator argument is equally false. Moderna requires only regular refrigerators. Pfizer requires deep freeze, but no one is going to claim credibly that the AIMS centers and IITs and space research centers and the military don't have that capability.

The companies are willing to provide them at cost. Meaning no profit for them. What they have asked for is indemnification, which most countries have okayed given the dire situation. India has refused.

Even the currently available vaccines should have been manufactured in ample quantity given the time they had.

Either the authorities were grossly incompetent or maliciously corrupt.

I wonder which utopian world you think a country is. Just because something 'should' have happened, doesn't mean it could.

Trials are started when the company agrees to conducting the trials, when they enter the market. You cannot start conducting trials without actually getting into a contract with that company.

Refrigerator arguments being called false just proves how much knowledge you have regarding what a vaccination drive 'throughout the country' constitutes of. India isn't just limited to 13 cities. There is a world beyond that. I believe someone else has already explained in one of the replies so no point repeating it.

Also, if you think just because the companies are willing to provide them it means there's no profit for them then you are either naive or being deliberately obtuse(my assumptions, not name-calling anyone). Pfizer has asked for no price cap, it is not going to enter on a nominal rate in Indian markets and even if it does it is going to increase it's rate for renewal. Otherwise why would it ask for no price cap? This wet dream which people seem to have regarding the saviour 'Pfizer' is just that. A wet dream.

@blue: There are tonnes of logistics involved when it comes to producing vaccines, just because you want it doesn't mean they have the capability to produce it immediately. It's an incremental process.

My heart just breaks, honestly. I have never put these celebrities on a pedestal, they simply do not deserve to be there. For all we know, they are all donating privately. That is not my issue. Imagine your entire career and fan base exists purely because of the people but you do nothing to help? They publicly show their support for you, stand outside your house for a glimpse of you, pay hard earned money to watch your movies, and NOW when you freakin have a chance to give back, you stay quiet? Imagine if SRK or Ranveer or any of these guys amplified just ONE request for oxygen, and were able to save just ONE person’s life by doing so (and whilst also donating privately should they choose to), toh kya jaata kiska? Sorry i’m not buying all these BS comments on here about how they’re scared of the government. Kyon bhai? Government will arrest an actor for amplifying a request of oxygen?

Nice to see PC speak out. She’s the only mainstream actress I’ve seen so far actually publicly talk about it. These guys have SO much power and influence, USE it for God’s sake. Hats off to Sonu Sood man. That post with his phone going off the hook was just..no words man. So much anger for these celebrities off living their best lives in US, Dubai, Maldives, London and doing zilch to help from their air conditioned houses.

Won't quote the name-calling post, but will address the points.

How many many millions of people do those 13 cities serve? IITs do not administer vaccine, but are we claiming no Healthcare personnel can go there and do so? There are other giant institutions. If only the people of the metro will get those vaccines, that is still millions and millions of people!

And yeah, at cost means no profit. And seriously, Pfizer's sale price WITH PROFIT is 19.5 USD. Less than the 1200 Covishield is currently going for.

And once again, Moderna vaccine requires only refrigeration. Which every nook and corner in India has. No one will mention it because the no facilities argument then falls apart.

AND it costs only 15 bucks even in the U.S. if they charged. Less than 1000 rupees.

How much is SI charging? That's right. 1200 INR. The taxpayer is paying that even if there is no out of pocket payment at the time of the jab.

So government refused to authorize more effective vaccines which cost less.

Don't give me that nonsense about trials. The current bridging trial is going on in 100 patients for 1 week.

Pfizer has been in talks with the government for months. Moderna is talking to the Tatas for local production, but they will need authorization from govt. It ain't them who delayed any trials. It's the government. Indemnification is stated to be the holdup.

Indemnification is something which was given by governments the world over, including the U.S., the most litigious of all countries. Because circumstances are dire. India does not want to do that. Which company in the world will want to provide vaccines under the situation when they developed it within the current timeframe?

Let's take the approval process: As far as I know, Remdesivir did not undergo detailed trials in India. Since it got approved by the US-FDA, according to the Clinical Trial Rules-2019, DCGI issued local clinical trial waiver with a close watch on its safety. 2 Indian pharmaceutical companies, Cipla and Hetero Labs Ltd., sought the clinical trial waiver from DCGI.

The same couldn't be done for vaccines?

As for America releasing Astra Zeneca's 60 million doses, INDIAN GOVERNMENT DID NOT ASK ASK FOR IT! Only for the raw materials which would take time and money to make and deliver.

The tone of the posts suggests that the U.S. government did India wrong by stockpiling AZ doses for its own citizens. The same U.S. government which allowed these vaccines to be tested on its own people and poured billions into an unknown territory to buy it AND indemnified the companies. All of which India is refusing to do.

Let us not kid ourselves that the authorities in India are victims of any kind in this. At best, they are incompetent. At worst, they are corrupt and criminal. The only victims are the people.

My feeling is that, and it is only a guess, the babus believed since India didn't get hit badly over the last year, they'd have the time and space to get Covishield to people AND make some money off it. Now that crap has hit the fan, they're stuck and HAVE to double down or admit to culpability.

Sad part is the number of people who will defend the babus tooth and nail in this. This is not a TV show where we can shout over each other and return home, no harm, no foul. People are dying. If citizens don't demand action from the people they're paying to serve them, they won't change. Just like any other employee.

My parents are 70 plus, with chronic illnesses. I'm scared as heck for them. And most of the relatives back home are on the older side.

This is not a political argument for me.

I said my piece. Actually, several times over in various forums. In the interests of preserving friendships, deciding to stop.

Am looking for orgs which deliver prepackaged meals to the elderly now. I'd like to make sure a few older people have no reason to venture outside for a few weeks. If anyone knows any such, please post.

Doesn't matter which city. Just needs to be trustworthy org.

Originally posted by: sidnilove

Why are all celebrities silent about what's going on in the country? Every one of us knows someone or has seen someone or has heard about someone suffer during this second wave.

Then why is no one raising their voice? They donated so much of money to PM cares. Can't they ask about what happened to that money? Can't they question the government about the ongoing crisis? Can't they at least retweet at least one or some of the tweets asking for help.

Akshay Kumar donated money last and this year as well. Doesn't he have the right to ask to what use his money was put to?

Why can't AB Sr tweet about the plight of the common man?

Virat Kohli supports the government at every step. Why is he mum about the government's misstep?

I'm so mad at these so called superstars who are weak and cowardly. They are all mutually blind, deaf and dumb.

Many celebs are trying to help they donated (some even since last year) and many were criticized for not having donated to the PM fund but instead to fund of their choices.

Some celebs are using their SM to spread awareness and help (Priyanka Chopra, Sonam Kapoor, Sonu Sood, Bhumi Padnekar...)

Many celebs spoke up against the current government and this since several years ago but what happened then? They were asked to leave for Pakistan or had their pics burnt. Rape threats were issued.

Is it celebs fault if when the rest of the Worl was trying to find solutions to fight against COVID, India was focused on blaming Bollywood for SSR's suicide, then Rhea Kapoor and then drugs (Deepika, Sara and Cie).

People have to take their responsibility. They chose to vote for this government and support it even when it was bullying and supporting the bullying of some people.

They chose to be blindside by other news and blindly believe that COVID wasn't spreading in India. I'm pretty sure it's the poor that suffered from it but they might not have been diagnosed.

It all shall pass. It's hard now because India has reached its pick but I hope they'll ask for Pakistan and China's help too. It won't be free, there might be conditions but it's for the population.

People should demonstrate and force the government to take actions.

Priyanka, Katrina and Sonam have been sharing information for a few days now. Alia paired up with Faye Dsouza to get validated info before posting.

Swara and tapsee have also been vocal.

So far silence from Deepika and anushka but they could be doing things offline like donating etc.

Also those saying it’s the states gov fault, ok but which politicians were holding mass rallies and boasting of crowd size until 2 weeks ago?

Also why is only Delhi and Maharashtra talked about when criticising state govs. What about Gujarat and UP? Didn’t yogi threaten for peoples property to be seized if they say there is oxygen and bed shortage? Even though people in this state are still running around helplessly for oxygen.

Even if it’s the state govs to blame it seems there is only one party that seems to be acting like goons. Threatening, having unfavourable tweets removed, sending letters to foreign countries for an article. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

Many celebs are trying to help they donated (some even since last year) and many were criticized for not having donated to the PM fund but instead to fund of their choices.

Some celebs are using their SM to spread awareness and help (Priyanka Chopra, Sonam Kapoor, Sonu Sood, Bhumi Padnekar...)

Many celebs spoke up against the current government and this since several years ago but what happened then? They were asked to leave for Pakistan or had their pics burnt. Rape threats were issued.

Is it celebs fault if when the rest of the Worl was trying to find solutions to fight against COVID, India was focused on blaming Bollywood for SSR's suicide, then Rhea Kapoor and then drugs (Deepika, Sara and Cie).

People have to take their responsibility. They chose to vote for this government and support it even when it was bullying and supporting the bullying of some people.

They chose to be blindside by other news and blindly believe that COVID wasn't spreading in India. I'm pretty sure it's the poor that suffered from it but they might not have been diagnosed.

It all shall pass. It's hard now because India has reached its pick but I hope they'll ask for Pakistan and China's help too. It won't be free, there might be conditions but it's for the population.

People should demonstrate and force the government to take actions.

@bold - surely not the wisest idea right now? Many places have curfews, and neither do I trust anyone’s ability to socially distance, least of all in a country like India where space is always an issue.

I also think you’re missing the point here. Point fingers, go after those who you think are responsible, hold them accountable but why does that give Bollywood celebs a “get out of jail” card? Ground reality is the situation is beyond awful. So in this situation I think it’s much more helpful trying to help people (and simultaneously point fingers where you need to and demand action), not JUST point fingers. As I’ve said before, they have HUGE fan followings, HUGE fan bases, so much power and influence and ability to help people, even if they don’t want to donate, but barely 3-4 celebs are doing so. Man, how hard is it to amplify the work of a charity, redirect helpless people towards resources? Beyond pathetic they don’t even wanna do that.🤢

Originally posted by: sev.puri

@bold - surely not the wisest idea right now? Many places have curfews, and neither do I trust anyone’s ability to socially distance, least of all in a country like India where space is always an issue.

I also think you’re missing the point here. Point fingers, go after those who you think are responsible, hold them accountable but why does that give Bollywood celebs a “get out of jail” card? Ground reality is the situation is beyond awful. So in this situation I think it’s much more helpful trying to help people (and simultaneously point fingers where you need to and demand action), not JUST point fingers. As I’ve said before, they have HUGE fan followings, HUGE fan bases, so much power and influence and ability to help people, even if they don’t want to donate, but barely 3-4 celebs are doing so. Man, how hard is it to amplify the work of a charity, redirect helpless people towards resources? Beyond pathetic they don’t even wanna do that.🤢

Rally are held so why not demonstrate ? Also, people can demonstrate online. Modi loves SM.

My post is in answer to the TM who is basically pointing finger to Bollywood. And my answer is some people in Bollywood are trying to help.

But keep in mind it's not their responsibility. It's the government who has to deal with the current situation. What the celebs are doing right now is basically charity. Realistically they don't owe anything to anyone.

You have to demand from your government why they let the situation reach this state ? The virus didn't spread just like this. It means they hid stuff and they are accountable.

Also they should reach out their hand to the neighbouring countries that could help as the country is in a state of emergency.