Subaah phir aayegi.... - Page 2

Very nice analysis Janki. It would have been really very difficult to analyse this episode. Most of us didn't even feel like watching it. Sai and Virat both are at fault and the CN gang unity is their strength now. What I can't understand is why both can't have a private conversation. Virat could have called up Sai and told her about the evidence which he got or atleast Sai could have called him up. Why they have to discuss everything in front of everyone. Don't know how Virat will come to know the truth later. As you said God has given them another opportunity to fine tune this script and add more sense to it. Hope they come up with something good and close some loose ends.

Awesome Analysis janki loved it

But iam not getting how they planted fake documents in short period of time like really bahoot aggeh sochti hai yeah logh

But iam disappointed with both sairat today virat should not have let his family pass such a comment on her upbringing and sai there was no need to declare that she will get devkit married because she believes what she is doing is right

Chalo ek baat ka khushi hai there will be clarity who wrote the letter , pakhi has simply lost it and I hope abhki baad aish and team doesn't whitewash her character in segments ,I really want this track to be over but now in Neil's absence kitna jheelna padega god knows

Originally posted by: Roch

Awesome as always, daat dete aapke patience ki, kaise kar Leto Ho aap. Aapka ye detailed analysis padhne ke baad Hum khush hue aur episode ko skip hi kar lete hain.

Waise bhi ITV mein logic nahi dhund te, ye show ki toh baat hi Nirali hain. But you are right, the family and Vahini knew they could manipulate Virat and pit him against Sai. And Sai being Sai will always stand her ground. Ek toh ye ladki ka sabse bada problem bhi hain and strength bhi sab openly declare kar deti hain.

Kaku and Gang just needed Virat on their side, but Vahini knows to play mind games, she rubs his ego the wrong way and she knows today Virat’s biggest weakness is Sai and she has used that against him. Weakness hain is iska Matlab ye nahi ki Woh Usko defend karega. There have been times when didn’t even stand up for his mother toh Sai toh door ki baat hain.

The battle is no longer what is right and what is wrong, it’s going to be a battle between Virat and Sai. Virat whose thoughts have been blurred because of his family and Sai whose thoughts are blurred in focusing on providing justice. Both have one common trait, they don’t know how to play games and that’s where people like Vahini take the advantage.

Vahini has become one joke in series, inke baare mein bolna matlab shabdo ka insult karna. Isiliye shayad inke dialogues bhi repeat mode pe hote hain

I just hope Neil rests and recovers, also hope they give a break to the entire cast and crew.

2 weeks Kuch naya Lao hi mat.Copy paste mein ye haal hain Pata nahi creativity mein Kya karenge.

So true, weakness only when Sai is associated with any other man.. even in a platonic manner.. When it comes to the insults she is meted with, Naah waha bas looks.. The way he discarded Sai's question about why Pakhi is getting between husband wife and turning him against her.. Her question was not a scream..but a frustration at what she is doing to their relationship and all he did was gave an expression he gives to an immature bacchi for initiating a cat fight yet again...Sai was not per se disrespectful to him or anybody else.. even Pakhi today..such a change in this girl.

Virat's possessiveness and insecurity w.r.t. Sai has a tendency to reach initial stages of obsessiveness.. Uska bas chale toh Aaba ka mention bhi band karwa de.. His need to become like Aaba is mostly because he wants that place in her life...

Very good analysis Janki.... on top of everyone, am bit disappointed with Sai as well.. As you mentioned she would have done more investigation if not in the beginning at least after the letter comes.. she directly confronting Pulkit and believing what he shows is put off 😒 if not for evidence she could have done more background check to be assured herself.. and reg Virat, you are absolutely correct, for any check first they will enquire neighbors because they see day to day so they will have more details, than some marriage registration records or Harini's school records something like that..

I hope they use this time when Neil Is away to make the plot more logical ... by giving more credibility to pulkit story .. today more than virat I was angry with pulkit

my god this guy wants paka pakaya kheer .. he knows Kaku gang is doing conspiracies.. he can talk to virat .. confront him .. tell him come and clear ur doubts .. but he is sitting in chair drinking tea in precap ..

Fortune favours the brave .. why doesn’t Kaku not like pulkit .. niw as a doc and docile guy he will be more happy to be pushed around her .. he does not look the type who would have offended Kaku

fate is giving the cvs a chance to repair the loopholes and let sayi manage this operation of getting Devyani married of to pulkit in virat ka absence .. so that when he comes back .. he is more angry .. and blames her ..

Originally posted by: 404_NotFound

His possessiveness and insecurity has the tendency to become obsessiveness is what i mentioned and not has reached.. There is a lot of difference between the two..

Never said he pretends to be a good man.. He is a good man and he has actually started to love (initial stage) Sai.. I have time and again mentioned , I feel bad for him because of the volcano of emotions he has in him for Sai and he is not able to express it at all.. His conflict syndrome also makes it more difficult to clear his stance infront of his family...He has failed to take a stand for his mother and hopefully he wont do it for Sai infront of his family...

Also in one of my posts I did say his need to be like Sai's Aaba is mostly to do with one of her sentence which she said when he talked abt her not knowing what love is while "discussing Pakhi" , I have loved my AAba.. He knows for Sai Aaba was her world and he craves to be that world.

I will still say the onus is more on him to clear the terms and conditions of the relationship since he was the one who started it.

PS: I love both Virat and Sai and not a hater of any of the two.. Please dont take me otherwise.. The way you have pointed out Virat's qualities , I believe you misunderstood my intention and my post..I do take sides of both and go against both depending on my expectations/analysis on the two as far as the recently aired episode is concerned. I was disappointed in him for disregarding her question to Pakhi about getting in b/w husband wife, which was more of frustrated cry as just another cat fight "started" by Sai and him not shutting up his youngest Kaku for talking that way about Sai and her parents.. I was extremely upset and sad.. Fights and disagreements at one side, such comments should not be passed off as just another banter.. he did give a disapproving look..that he keeps giving but the defaulter in such cases doesn't even know he is giving those looks.. I understand he lets Sai fight her own battle which is an appreciable quality in him ..He lets her be independent and herself ..however today she was shocked and upset and also at someplace he needs to speak up...

Originally posted by: asmi_joya

His possessiveness and insecurity has the tendency to become obsessiveness is what i mentioned and not has reached.. There is a lot of difference between the two..

Never said he pretends to be a good man.. He is a good man and he has actually started to love (initial stage) Sai.. I have time and again mentioned , I feel bad for him because of the volcano of emotions he has in him for Sai and he is not able to express it at all.. His conflict syndrome also makes it more difficult to clear his stance infront of his family...He has failed to take a stand for his mother and hopefully he wont do it for Sai infront of his family...

Also in one of my posts I did say his need to be like Sai's Aaba is mostly to do with one of her sentence which she said when he talked abt her not knowing what love is while "discussing Pakhi" , I have loved my AAba.. He knows for Sai Aaba was her world and he craves to be that world.

I will still say the onus is more on him to clear the terms and conditions of the relationship since he was the one who started it.

PS: I love both Virat and Sai and not a hater of any of the two.. Please dont take me otherwise.. The way you have pointed out Virat's qualities , I believe you misunderstood my intention and my post..I do take sides of both and go against both depending on my expectations/analysis on the two as far as the recently aired episode is concerned. I was disappointed in him for disregarding her question to Pakhi about getting in b/w husband wife, which was more of frustrated cry as just another cat fight "started" by Sai and him not shutting up his youngest Kaku for talking that way about Sai and her parents.. I was extremely upset and sad.. Fights and disagreements at one side, such comments should not be passed off as just another banter.. he did give a disapproving look..that he keeps giving but the defaulter in such cases doesn't even know he is giving those looks.. I understand he lets Sai fight her own battle which is an appreciable quality in him ..He lets her be independent and herself ..however today she was shocked and upset and also at someplace he needs to speak up...

That was so well put. I agree that Virat longs for Sai to be as fiercely protective of him as she was towards her aabha- be the centre of her world. Whatever Virat does for Sai does come from genuine care. But when he becomes insecure, he is blinded by just one thought " I do so much for her, doesn't she realize?" He needs an assurance - that his care is acknowledged. Unfortunately for him, Sai is too self-willed and self-protective. So the conflict keeps repeating.

What has been intriguing me about Virat since the domestic abuse episodes - is the level of rage that he experienced (It was scary). Had he not been THAT angry, he would not have acted abusive. So where does the potential for extreme rage come from? Is it symptomatic of people who suppress their feelings - be the sacrificial lamb to keep everyone happy? Does such a conditioning result in unexpected bouts of extreme rage that surprise even themselves? (Don't know if this analysis is valid in this case). Of course even in such a rage, a person WOULD NOT act abusive unless he has imbibed it unkowingly from his toxic father. He does regret it, but personally I'm not convinced that he has unlearned it yet.

Originally posted by: jane_austen

That was so well put. I agree that Virat longs for Sai to be as fiercely protective of him as she was towards her aabha- be the centre of her world. Whatever Virat does for Sai does come from genuine care. But when he becomes insecure, he is blinded by just one thought " I do so much for her, doesn't she realize?" He needs an assurance - that his care is acknowledged. Unfortunately for him, Sai is too self-willed and self-protective. So the conflict keeps repeating.

What has been intriguing me about Virat since the domestic abuse episodes - is the level of rage that he experienced (It was scary). Had he not been THAT angry, he would not have acted abusive. So where does the potential for extreme rage come from? Is it symptomatic of people who suppress their feelings - be the sacrificial lamb to keep everyone happy? Does such a conditioning result in unexpected bouts of extreme rage that surprise even themselves? (Don't know if this analysis is valid in this case). Of course even in such a rage, a person WOULD NOT act abusive unless he has imbibed it unkowingly from his toxic father. He does regret it, but personally I'm not convinced that he has unlearned it yet.

That's one such episode where my point about if not taken care off on time can take a shape of obsessiveness for Sai ..Sai has gone out before also , going against him - DIG episode. In that one he was angry and disappointed. EVen then her security was an issue.. This time it was more from Virat's perspective since she was going for a lunch with a professor unknown to him. But then if you look at that episode , the moment he gets to know she is going to lunch at a professor's place, before it was established she is going alone , he seemed angry (Neil nails the expressions hence the detail here). And the violence that came along with the anger later on is something which was also a result of deep insecurity he possesses for Sai.. He had not realised about his anger till the time Aayi came and told him where he went wrong.. Even if one looks at the apology he mentions about the disappointment on her not being for a lunch he planned, having her own plans first and then mentions how he was also worried.. HIs first issue was she had her own plans while he had so much set up for her.. He also is manipulative when it comes to Sai.. Whenever its about a guy we have seem to act with so much rage.. Have never seen that level of rage when CN people go wrong, when Pakhi talks nonsense.. I have only seen him getting this angry when its about Sai barring the case filed on him episode... To me his apology after the abuse seemed more like he wants to not let her go than being regretful about his behaviour..However the next day when he held her hand and also apolgized for his show off at the temple ..I kind of believed he is sorry...In today's incident it was more about why is Sai not believing him...why is she not trusting me..look more than what she is trying to say.. She did say Virat sir aap jhuth nahi bol rahe hain..main bhi nahi bol rahi.. But that was unheard..He knows Sai never lies..but then still he is blinded by the fact that she is trusting someone else over him.. Pakhi hit the right nail..SHe kept putting in his head that Sai believes the other man more than you...And then it would become more about Sai not believing him than Devi Tai's life/security.

We know he wants Sai to not go away, but during the chilly grinding episode when Sai mentions how she wants to shift to a hostel.. The way he attributed the torcture she had to face at home to ghar ka kaam which she might also have to do at the hostel..(we all know what apna kaam we have to do at hostel and can in no world compared to what is Sai expected to do at CN) and asked her to take it up as a challenge similar to the ones she took with Jagtap was downright insensitive..

I believe Virat's insecurity has to addressed in words by both Sai and Aayi..its just AAyi who understand Sai and her feelings towards Virat.. Once assured I guess he would be fine.. Right now he is longing an acceptance in Sai's life..in her heart..He wants a place reserved for him..even if its a dost as of now.. That assurance will let him breath and think in peace.. His insecurity to me is understandable...but he doesnt understand that some words are needed from his end as well for Sai to address his insecurities..

Originally posted by: jane_austen

That was so well put. I agree that Virat longs for Sai to be as fiercely protective of him as she was towards her aabha- be the centre of her world. Whatever Virat does for Sai does come from genuine care. But when he becomes insecure, he is blinded by just one thought " I do so much for her, doesn't she realize?" He needs an assurance - that his care is acknowledged. Unfortunately for him, Sai is too self-willed and self-protective. So the conflict keeps repeating.

What has been intriguing me about Virat since the domestic abuse episodes - is the level of rage that he experienced (It was scary). Had he not been THAT angry, he would not have acted abusive. So where does the potential for extreme rage come from? Is it symptomatic of people who suppress their feelings - be the sacrificial lamb to keep everyone happy? Does such a conditioning result in unexpected bouts of extreme rage that surprise even themselves? (Don't know if this analysis is valid in this case). Of course even in such a rage, a person WOULD NOT act abusive unless he has imbibed it unkowingly from his toxic father. He does regret it, but personally I'm not convinced that he has unlearned it yet.

Sai has her own share of gaping flaws. I'm quoting your post from another thread:-

Her "I'm right" attitude may come from a strange combination of leading a cacooned life at GC but at the same time requiring to manage things on her own (owing to her being alone while her single parent was at work for long hours). So she has learnt to rely on her instincts and her independence to survive. Unfortunately, she is yet to face the machinations of the big, bad world - and yet approaches life the same way as in GC. Or it could be coming from a lenient parent as you said... I really don't know.

@bold - Thats a good question and it does happen most of the times. People who have bottled up emotions do burst out in very bad way. And it causes hurt to the person they love or care.

Virat's problem is he has been a giver and he never expected anything in return. He has been behaving in a certain way so that his family is happy. With Sai in life not only things around him but even within him have changed. Yes he is a giver and wants to do things for her but with that comes expectations. His emotions are too raw and most of the time he gets hurt (his expectations are the ones which cause that hurt). He wants that husband and wife relation but is not ready to voice it out. He yearns for her but is not able to say it. He wants her to understand, what he feels, what he does is not out of duty. But at times forgets that she need confirmations, if not words even actions. And todays actions didnt help, he cant even defend her self-respect.

Sai is a righteous one, she will always stand by right. She knows what she is fighting for and if she believes there is an injustice being done she will fight. She has no layers, she is all on face value. Well, its a quality people rarely possess but most of the time it goes against her. She voices out everything openly, which is why she was able to raise the question on Virat's and Vahini's relation . Saying that he is her puppet, wasnt it proved right today prove in a way. Sai does acknowledge what Virat does for her, but she has seen him swing to the other side in a jiffy. For her to rely on him he needs to take a firm stand, which he does not.

Both are good at heart but flawed, they know each others flaws but instead of covering it up as a team they let the other people take the advantage of the situation.

Virat has a problem that she is not trusting him but someone else, but then in his emotions he does not understand who is she fighting for, what will she get out of this, the person she is doing this for is his own sister, she has nothing to gain with this...

Sai also has a problem where she thinks that she can handle anything that comes her way, she does not know how to make things easy for her. With Virat on her side, things were easy but now its a tough battle. Still instead of planning, she has gone ahead and declared a war.

I like the way they way they have built Sai - Virat characters, they need to learn to understand each other and thats what every track has done till date. Built them in a way.

The problem with this track is, the built up was executed very badly too many loose ends. Track toh abhi shuru hua hain. Dekhte hain kya hota.

Sorry thoda lamba hogaya.

Awesome. Thanks for the brilliant analysis.

Bulls eye :

"No one is condemned without a hearing... What happened to principles of natural justice? "

This is something that I am not able to understand. It made sense to not talk to Pulkit (which Sai anyway did?) until he finishes his investigation so that the suspect doesn't get alert if he was a fraud. But when he has gathered evidence what is stopping him from confronting him?

It is the same guy who let a college student go free with a warning so that he is given a chance to redeem.

From what we have seen so far and what I have observed is that he has no control over his emotions.

One has to control their emotions and though it might be about his sister, he has investigated it as an IPS officer and he should have acted like one than a brother. He cannot do such a shoddy work.

As you have mentioned, I couldn't understand why did he not do a background check? Neighbours or school records?

The brother in him took over. It was due to the disappointment that his Tai is not going to get a happy life; that he thought his sister found after many years.

The happiness or the hope that was visible when he was speaking to his wife that his sister probably will get alright if she gets united with her husband was shattered and he couldn't handle it? If the intent is to reform her life, he cannot let a brother take over now.

He would have undergone training to handle pressure and stress and I am not sure when will we see him using them at times like this.

As you have rightly pointed out, he is not in that stage where if he and his spouse are in disagreement, he can stand up for her or fight for her.

Sometimes I really feel that whatever feelings he has for his wife is not getting substantiated.

The open challenge that Sai gave, even after all this and clearly they have plotted against the wedding and she is aware of it since she had a look at the same document and believes that it is their doing, she still thinks she can challenge? She thinks that she can go against his warning and elope with his sister? Again whatever she is also doing is based on trust and her instincts.

Can she not do it any other way? Can she not try to prove it to him by investigating that she failed to do all these while?