EMOTIONAL VIDEO: Veteran Lyricist Santosh Anand ji - Page 6

I didn't know about Santosh Anand. Thanks for sharing the video.

He is a hidden gem. I am so happy ,many people will get to know him now. Such a great lyricist.

There are so many hidden gems in the film industry that we do not know well. I value hidden gems more than common popular Bollywood stars that are discussed daily and they look the most boring to me.

Khans, Kapoors, Bhatts, Amitabh, Rekha, Hema, Sri, Madhuri etc etc -they are just talented people for me but never touch my heart. I admire hidden gems more that regular popular faces admired by millions.

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

Yes I had mentioned this but thanks for giving a much more detailed version.

Lataji did initiate it but hers was specifically for singers right? It was the music directors of the 90s generation took it forward so that MDs and lyricists get their due. And Lataji herself had said that she should've brought up the topic when she was an MP...she had said that to Javed Akhtar, theres an article on it too.

Yes, you are right and I am aware of that. But when Lata put forth this demand other Music Composers, Singers and Lyricists should have joined in with a similar demand and put their weight behind her. They should have taken the cue from her. Do not forget, at that time, music labels did have royalty arrangement with some Music composers, I don't know which. With Lata and Rafi as the face of this demand music labels would have been forced to give in and so many talented artists would not have died in penury.

When everything is going our way we think the good times will last forever but they don't.

Checked this video just out of plain curiosity and got shocked. The royalty issue needs to be resolved. There shouldn't be more such cases

Originally posted by: myviewprem

This is not about one santosh anand

Many cricketers died without money for treatments as BCCI gave them pittance before even after winning world cup 1983 - even kapil dev said bcci has his money with them once cricketer finishes tournament or retires settle his money why keep with company

In company same thing happens employee creates a content or product and who makes billions the company

Employee gets a 3 lakh 5 lakh salary per year thats all company makes 10-50 million dollars out of his creation or software

Everywhere exploitation going on but everyone turning blind

You have wrong information.

There was no money in Indian cricket before arrival of Sachin Tendulkar, Jagmohan Dalmia and Mark Mascarenhas in the 90's. These 3 people are instrumental in bringing money into Indian cricket. When BCCI came into money they have shared it with players. Today a player in Ranji Trophy match earns Rs.35,000 per day per match. Before that many players used to play from different business houses to earn money in the form of monthly salary. The minor players had to play for the office team and do office work too.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

I think music composer must get 40% lyricist 40% its their song singer just singing may be 10% and company 10% is best

but reverse happening company or producer 90% singer 5% music composer and lyricist 0%

First song belongs to writer and music composer in equal amt

very less contribution by singer only voice lending

There is a difference between a poem and a song.

All aspects, including arrangers, need to come together nicely to create a good song. So all three contribute equally to a song. I doubt if anybody can imagine R.D.Burman singing Yeh Jawani Hai Dewani or Is mod se Jaate hai kuch sust kadam raste.

Some Music composers can sing and some singers can compose(Lata Mangeshkar is also a composer)but they are between far and few and even they prefer singers who are much better than them so that their song can achieve a higher level of popularity and critical acclaim.

Originally posted by: Ashley.Tisdale

While this post was specifically to spread awareness and talk about how legends are in trouble, it seems people have genuine curiosity now. So I can explain what I know.

See its not about one singer in particular. Its about the entire group of singers. Multiple versions of the song can be created by different singers but the tune and writing remains the same.

Since you are a fan of Sonu Nigam I'll give you his song's example...recently Ankhiyon Se Goli Maare was remade. The original had the voice of Sonu Nigam and Jaspinder Narula while the remake had the voices of Mika and Tulsi Kumar. So if both the versions' royalty is generated the first right goes to Anand-Milind and Sameer Anjaan who have created the song. But depending on the version the singer gets their due.

However international laws for Copyright and royalty either disregard singers or give them a small amount. The reason: singers are the faces of the song who can perform said song on various occasions and platforms and earn from shows.

Like the song you stated, Sonu Nigam must've sung Kal Ho Na Ho numerous times on stage and earned crores over it. But what did Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy and Javed Akhtar get? Nothing. Royalty is generated from live shows too, but the label ate up the creators' share while the singer earned from the live show. So who's been wronged here?

Shankar Mahadevan is singing it live so there will be discrepancies, you're forgetting that SEL are the people who taught Sonu the feel and emotion of the song, they focus on every damn detail the singer does on the mic, just like Pyareji corrected the contestants on Indian Idol in last week's episode...but if Shankar M would've sung it as a professional recording things would've been different. And that's the reason why composers sing their own songs today...coz if they don't get royalties they can sing it on stage and earn money.

About the share of singers, you need to read yourself why the authors/creators are more important, simply because they create the song. Singers can be changed but the main base of the song, the music and lyrics cannot be.

The singers are also chosen by the composers, they can find multiple voice to suit their song, but only one might get the chance on the mic...the same person earns huge amounts of money from shows singing that composition and lyrics...but the creators get nothing.

Thats the main point here.

I am sorry but I disagree.

The song belongs to the singer as much as it belongs to the composer and lyricist, if not more, especially in playback singing. People often think that songs they listen to are as good when they are being created. But it is the singers and arrangers too, who make that song what it is.

If the music labels are going to pay a hefty one time fees to singers like they do to actors then it is a different thing but if you are going to pay a pittance to singers and not give them royalty too then that is exploitation.

The international music scene and Indian music scene are a bit different so the copyright laws need to be tweaked a bit for Indian music scene.

Music composers and lyricist should ask for the royalty from the revenue generated in stage shows too.

Originally posted by: Arsalan_khan

Shankar is a maestro in singing while or recording doesn't matter to tranied people though the song feel was not upto the mark and secondly no singers too do not earn much from concert because if u followed the whole copyright thing u must have known that singers are made to accept a clause by music company's that 70 percent of amount a singer will earn from shows will be given to music company/labels.....and that remade you talked about is actually confusing part orginal makes are anand miland and sameer but tanishk will now demand royalty for the remake version of his attempts.... Composers who are singing too like shankar madevan can sing well enough in shows to earn some amount of money but the others like nadeem sharavan, nikhil vinay, anu malkk, anand miland who were not performers must be facing hardships I agree...

Again, Tanishk will not get a huge chunk of the royalty, and most likely he won't be getting any at all. The originals hold around 75% for the remade version.

Singers get a full payment from the organisers, that doesn't go to the music company. The royalty generated from the show does tho...no artist gets that share yet. The ones who pay the music company are the ones who want to just get into the music scene by hook or crook. All those artists are wrong to sign off their rights. Rather stick to Indie Labels and YouTube until u become a big enough name to make demands.

You can't put Anu and Nadeem with Shravan, Anand-Milind and Nikhil-Vinay.

Anu Malik has been judging reality shows since their inception so I am sure he's doing pretty well for himself. I had seen Shravan Rathod once in person and it pained me...his is not the best, yet not the worst either. Still its sad to see someone who was a king in the 90s not living his life the way he used to anymore. Nikhil-Vinay, yes people like them suffer unless they've made investments.

Anand-Milind seem to be doing pretty normal, I think they made some smart choices...they're also running their own music academy in Mumbai, that's something...they looked pretty fit and fine too on Times of Music...I've seen them sing too, Anand sings pretty good honestly they would be fine on shows but I don't think they do many of those...heres a recent picture of them from the inauguration of their academy with Sonu and from Times of Music...and a video of them live at a school opening or something :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU9Wx0BKlVk

Although that's no reason for the music companies to rob off their rights. Anu, N-S and A-M can actually afford to buy private islands thats what their work is worth.

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Wow that’s such huge kindness. I don’t even know if I’d do that ❤️

You'd do it if I'd ask ya to 😆

No but in all seriousness, if I want to see a difference then I'll have to make it first.

I cannot see anyone in pain and suffering, I'd do anything. And for such legends, whose work has got me thru some tough times...you can only imagine.

Originally posted by: surajhere

Yes, you are right and I am aware of that. But when Lata put forth this demand other Music Composers, Singers and Lyricists should have joined in with a similar demand and put their weight behind her. They should have taken the cue from her. Do not forget, at that time, music labels did have royalty arrangement with some Music composers, I don't know which. With Lata and Rafi as the face of this demand music labels would have been forced to give in and so many talented artists would not have died in penury.

When everything is going our way we think the good times will last forever but they don't.

Absolutely. I wish everyone would've stood up at that time. Because the music industry form the 50s to 70s was much much more powerful than any producer, actor, director. They really called the shots.

That arrangement did not last afaik...because most of them lived their remaining life in not so great conditions.

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

Checked this video just out of plain curiosity and got shocked. The royalty issue needs to be resolved. There shouldn't be more such cases

Agreed. There has to be a change, its high time now.