Was Namaste London Regressive? - Page 8

Originally posted by: Charaiveti

It basically showed ma bap think the best for u ,even when they basically force it on u n manipulate n emotionally blackmail you🤢 and hiw dare a indian woman prefer a white guy over Indian men🤢

Exactly!

Ma Baap liking someone doesn’t necessarily mean they are a good person (they could be mistaken, especially if they don’t know the person particularly well either)... and even if they are a relatively good person, that doesn’t mean they will love you, or you will love them 🙃

And forced marriage is always wrong. It’s literally illegal not only in U.K. or America but even in India.

Originally posted by: 2RsFan

Realistically speaking no girl will choose a Indian village idiot over a white guy and no guy would agree to get cucked in public . Arjun should have filed for divorced and gone back to India

I disagree.

I don’t think white people are inherently better than Indians, or that villagers are idiots 🤷🏽‍♀️

But forcing a girl for marriage is completely wrong, and yes Arjun’s reaction to the situation was totally unrealistic.

But they had to show him acting like that in order to justify the said forced marriage, rather than show him getting mad like a typical traditional desi guy would

Originally posted by: Anjalika01

Exactly!

Ma Baap liking someone doesn’t necessarily mean they are a good person (they could be mistaken, especially if they don’t know the person particularly well either)... and even if they are a relatively good person, that doesn’t mean they will love you, or you will love them 🙃

And forced marriage is always wrong. It’s literally illegal not only in U.K. or America but even in India.

Yes most of 90s movies carried such message that parents choice are best

But honestly i think jazz would not be happy with akshay kumars character

They show in bollywood that girls brought up in london can settle in some remote village easily

But i doubt an indian second tier brought up girl can live in villages

Like i know a woman she lived in city married to another city which is conservative city in north india. From jeans pants skirts etc shes supposed to wear ghunghat and only saree full day at home .

She cannot go out without in laws permission or husband accompanying her everywhere till she was in her 40s (may be they are scared she will run away etc ). Even after kids are like 10-15 year olds shes not allowed to wear pant shirt or salwar. Shes expected to cook for 10-15 joint family etc And yes she hates her parents and elder siblings for marrying her off like that and does not have good relation with her parents and siblings for forcing her into such a place

So its not easy like in movie to be this independent modern lady whose studied in a big college with all liberal values to go into a conservative city and family with no freedom no liberal values and thoughts

Akshay kumar cannot be a man of indian village or city too - i doubt person like him exist at all atleast in india

I know a very young girl she is IT professional in metro city was married to a man whose an IT professional himself but this man hes highly qualified BE, MBA from US etc Hes highly jealous that his wife works he troubled her so much she left job went into depression etc. He wants her to cook him fresh meals although she may come home at 10pm all dead tired. The girl too is a BE but has to take such things. So even most educated young men do not behave like Akshay in big metro cities of india. How did akshay in village become so good?

So majority women who marry in india will face the above two kind of life only 90% of time. 10% some men will be liberal husbands. In village or tier 2 city i doubt anyone is like Akshay at all. When in big metroes hardly you find such men. In office and with others how men behave is diff from how they behave with wife and family at home. So outside they act liberal wth classmates and colleagues. They will not behave same with a wife

The real issue starts after 3 to 6 months into marraige in such cases. That they did not explore at all once they settle in village and has to wear ghunghat and go and get 30-60 buckets of water from village well etc make rotis from cow dung or wash cows. Start doing all that than we will see how much katrina loves akshay. Movies romaticise living in conservative way, its not that easy for city bred women. Real life starts after 3 months when you have to cook for 20 people in joint family

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Yes most of 90s movies carried such message that parents choice are best

But honestly i think jazz would not be happy with akshay kumars character

They show in bollywood that girls brought up in london can settle in some remote village easily

But i doubt an indian second tier brought up girl can live in villages

Like i know a woman she lived in city married to another city which is conservative city in north india. From jeans pants skirts etc shes supposed to wear ghunghat and only saree full day at home .

She cannot go out without in laws permission or husband accompanying her everywhere till she was in her 40s (may be they are scared she will run away etc ). Even after kids are like 10-15 year olds shes not allowed to wear pant shirt or salwar. Shes expected to cook for 10-15 joint family etc And yes she hates her parents and elder siblings for marrying her off like that and does not have good relation with her parents and siblings for forcing her into such a place

So its not easy like in movie to be this independent modern lady whose studied in a big college with all liberal values to go into a conservative city and family with no freedom no liberal values and thoughts

Akshay kumar cannot be a man of indian village or city too - i doubt person like him exist at all atleast in india

I know a very young girl she is IT professional in metro city was married to a man whose an IT professional himself but this man hes highly qualified BE, MBA from US etc Hes highly jealous that his wife works he troubled her so much she left job went into depression etc. He wants her to cook him fresh meals although she may come home at 10pm all dead tired. The girl too is a BE but has to take such things. So even most educated young men do not behave like Akshay in big metro cities of india. How did akshay in village become so good?

So majority women who marry in india will face the above two kind of life only 90% of time. 10% some men will be liberal husbands. In village or tier 2 city i doubt anyone is like Akshay at all. When in big metroes hardly you find such men. In office and with others how men behave is diff from how they behave with wife and family at home. So outside they act liberal wth classmates and colleagues. They will not behave same with a wife

The real issue starts after 3 to 6 months into marraige in such cases. That they did not explore at all once they settle in village and has to wear ghunghat and go and get 30-60 buckets of water from village well etc make rotis from cow dung or wash cows. Start doing all that than we will see how much katrina loves akshay. Movies romaticise living in conservative way, its not that easy for city bred women. Real life starts after 3 months when you have to cook for 20 people in joint family

So true. I used to experience culture shocks when I visited my grandparents in their village. There is nothing romantic about cooking for a huge joint family without a day off. People brought up in nuclear family find it all the more difficult to adjust in a joint family.

Family values and cultures differ even within people of same lineage residing in the same locality. If a girl marries into a more conservative family then her mental and physical health will go for a toss.

I can't slave in the kitchen like how my mother did... Education and exposure makes girls assertive. They want to have a say in their life.. They want to have some time and space for themselves. All this isn't generally possible in a traditional set up

Reports from UK often talk of forced marriages. Some Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs living abroad see no qualms about forcing their daughters to get married to a guy she has never seen or interact with and isn't interested in.

First they get the girl married forcibly.. And in case she rebels, they ostracize her or even worse do 'honour killing'

Not to mention Rishi kapoors character treated his own wife so poorly n then acted like indian men r gems. I mean look in d mirror man😕

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

Reports from UK often talk of forced marriages. Some Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs living abroad see no qualms about forcing their daughters to get married to a guy she has never seen or interact with and isn't interested in.

First they get the girl married forcibly.. And in case she rebels, they ostracize her or even worse do 'honour killing'

Even the so-called arranged marriages are forced marriages in disguise where the parents actually choose the groom and the daughter just has to oblige

Originally posted by: 2RsFan

Even the so-called arranged marriages are forced marriages in disguise where the parents actually choose the groom and the daughter just has to oblige

Not always though. Some families do ask for their opinions and only proceed when they agree.

Originally posted by: Anjalika01

Well to me, it was so infuriatingly backwards for its time (seriously it’s not like it’s a movie from the 70s or something that you’d expect this... in fact most 70s movies I’ve seen weren’t so messed up 🤦🏽‍♀️)... that it was no longer entertaining.

And it is absolutely untrue that progressive movies have to be boring (and are therefore flops), and regressive flicks are always entertaining (hence they are hits)...

Most of the big hit films nowadays (and even as far back as 70s and 80s) aren’t really that regressive imo...

Look at movies like K3G and Kal Ho Na Ho... shallow, cheesy, plasticky for sure, but still entertaining 🤷🏽‍♀️

And though they never went out of their way to be “progressive” as such, not remotely sexist/regressive either, and they became huge hits at the BO.

On the other hand, plenty of blatantly regressive movies were rejected by the audience in recent times... Shaadi Karke Phas Gaya (old Salman Khan film that was super backwards, worse than NL even) was a huge flop, Shaadi Mein Zaroor Aana (more recent film that was better than the other two tbf but not great ) also didn’t do that well... in fact from what I can see, most overtly backwards/chauvinist movies have been flopping in BW since the mid 90s or so... so most people seem to agree with me 🤷🏽‍♀️

As for the idea that movies shouldn’t have a message, and you’ll never watch a movie with a message... I hate to break it to you, but literally EVERY movie has some sort of message, be it Hollywood, Bollywood, Tollywood, any other wood 😂

All the purely commercial masala movies have a message. The silliest of candy floss Kjo movies have a message. Even utterly ridiculous movies like Jaani Dushman and Deshdrohi have some sort of message at their core. It’s just a question of which messages you are ok with and which you are not ok with (or if in some cases you love the actors or other things about the movie enough to ignore the message)...

And as for the last part, I absolutely disagree that “all of us know right from wrong”. We just need to open a newspaper, or even look around our own family circle/friends’ circle to know that is definitely not the case. Plenty of people have poor morals.

But again it’s a question of how an individual defines morals, at the end of the day we all do it differently (though there are some issues most people would agree on)...

I agree though that writers, actors, directors etc aren’t anymore qualified than your average Joe to tell us right from wrong, or give us (the public) a message.

But the fact is, whenever a film is made, a message is given out. It is ultimately entirely up to us which message we accept, and which message we reject.

I make sure to use a few key words to make it clear what i am saying. Did i say progressive movies are boring?

None of the movies you said have flopped have so due to the reasons you mentioned. They flopped coz they sucked at entertainment dept. Why else a regreggive movie like NL works while some dont ?

Drawing a message from a movie is one thing ...making a movie with an INTENT to give message to audience is another. And hence I would never watch a preachy ass Aamir or Hirani movies.

Young Lady ! " All of us " means all of us who are in a position to debate at this point.... it does not encompass every being in the world.

The topic of crime and the demographics of which section of society commits what kind of crime for what reasons is not a topic i am discussing at the moment.

If you are certain people do not know right from wrong just because there is crime. Let me break this to you (not hating to do this) these people commit crime inspite of knowing its wrong. A mere movie does not skew the crime statistics nor a message oriented movie is a authorized correctional behavior course for people.

Let me tell you one thing , i pay no attention to any message given in a movie . because , I already know better .secondly, I know who to take what message from ... I dont learn Physics from Interstellar(just saying ).

Censor board has taken all this into consideration and hence movies are classified. Example : Kabir Singh( A certificate) is not a problematic movie as it never gives a message other than to tell a story of rich and entitled jerk. A perfect environment was created for Kabir to be an asshole ....he is rich, good looking, intelligent ...always got what he wanted ...sounds like story of some of our star kids(minus the intellect) we all so worship. How does this effect average guy who watched the movie.

There is a section of society that will grab what it finds...but punished by law for crimes. There is another section of society who rarely pays price for their crime (rich and powerful). Middle class rarely commits crime.