Bollywood sues Navika, Arnab and gang - Page 40

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

I know they do.. they should if they find it fit to.. it is just that I find pot calling the kettle black- just what I feel. I understand what you are telling..i am not disputing that.

I get the concept of class action lawsuits and livelihoods being affected. I perfectly sympathize with the concerns of the lower rung. It is just that I see no difference between the top rung of Bollywood, news moguls, corporates and politicians.. I might be wrong too but it is just my observation.

Having said that I fully agree that everyone has the right to legal remedies.

@bold........ you are giving out wrong metaphors here. “Pot calling kettle black” is not at all applicable here, nor is the word “hypocrisy “. Unless the BW has been targeting the media industry as a whole , and vilifying it, which is not the case.

Originally posted by: Talis

How is it the pot calling the kettle black? Was Bollywood as an industry (or even as individuals) calling these media houses or any other industry drugged up murdering mafia scum 24/7 for months on end? This is a clear case of defamation. The media wasn't reporting news or even investigating news, they were making up news and slandering individuals and Bollywood as a whole for ratings. They violated the ethics of their own profession and they're getting sued. It's perfectly just.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/dons-still-pull-the-strings-in-bollywood/article7942608.ece

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/2g-scam-bollywood-backs-karim-morani-457290

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Why-is-Karim-Morani-important-to-B-town/articleshow/8663112.cms

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/cover-story/bollywood-bigwig-behind-threat-to-santoshi/articleshow/15835069.cms

There are a lot of other articles but they are from right leaning media.

Other connections to underworld like Sanjay dutt is well known. Bharat Shah had links underworld. So I think that Bollywood involves itself in criminal activities or has criminal associates. The rumors notwithstanding, a lot of shady things are going on in Bollywood

They are as shady as newswallahs, maybe the crimes are different. I believe that it is a case of pot calling the kettle black. It is my opinion and I have based it on what I have read. Since this isn't a court of law, I don't have to support irrefutable evidence. The articles I have pasted are one of many. They may not be guilty of the same crime (though a lot of not so big names show bigotry on social media), but I believe that a lot of criminal activities are conducted by Bollywoodwalah's brethren. This is my opinion, your opinion could differ. I feel that media and Bollywood have criminal tendencies. I won't substitute it with links as this is my opinion.

Defamation is criminal, the one's at the receiving end are free to take legal recourse. Let them do whatever they want with the media, I have no dispute with that, and I have no stake in the fight.

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/dons-still-pull-the-strings-in-bollywood/article7942608.ece

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/2g-scam-bollywood-backs-karim-morani-457290

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Why-is-Karim-Morani-important-to-B-town/articleshow/8663112.cms

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/cover-story/bollywood-bigwig-behind-threat-to-santoshi/articleshow/15835069.cms

There are a lot of other articles but they are from right leaning media.

Other connections to underworld like Sanjay dutt is well known. Bharat Shah had links underworld. So I think that Bollywood involves itself in criminal activities or has criminal associates. The rumors notwithstanding, a lot of shady things are going on in Bollywood

They are as shady as newswallahs, maybe the crimes are different. I believe that it is a case of pot calling the kettle black. It is my opinion and I have based it on what I have read. Since this isn't a court of law, I don't have to support irrefutable evidence. The articles I have pasted are one of many. They may not be guilty of the same crime (though a lot of not so big names show bigotry on social media), but I believe that a lot of criminal activities are conducted by Bollywoodwalah's brethren. This is my opinion, your opinion could differ. I feel that media and Bollywood have criminal tendencies. I won't substitute it with links as this is my opinion.

Defamation is criminal, the one's at the receiving end are free to take legal recourse. Let them do whatever they want with the media, I have no dispute with that, and I have no stake in the fight.

Yes, but mostly many of the bollywood people have been threatened into these connections, some of them murdered and attacked as well. People do crazy things when their life is on the line. We don't really know who has been threatened into it and who does it willingly.

Originally posted by: Equine

@bold........ you are giving out wrong metaphors here. “Pot calling kettle black” is not at all applicable here, nor is the word “hypocrisy “. Unless the BW has been targeting the media industry as a whole , and vilifying it, which is not the case.

Could be... it is again my perception. I feel that both have criminal tendencies in general.

I am not talking about SSR in particular. Arnab has done wrong to Rhea... I have full sympathy with her and other individuals who were harassed. Arnab needs to be questioned by court..He wrote his own script anyway..

I don't have sympathy with Bollywood as I see them as a shady bunch. My perception..just like how people view mega corporates with suspicion. They weren't the only victims of media till date anyway, so I don't empathize...

While Arnab's case is being discussed here, I am talking about what I feel about Bollywood overall. Arnab is a tabloid style journo- no doubt about that.. if something punctures his ego then that is good.

P.S My sympathy doesn't count for much anyway... nothing will be lost if I don't feel for Bollywood.

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Yes, but mostly many of the bollywood people have been threatened into these connections, some of them murdered and attacked as well. People do crazy things when their life is on the line. We don't really know who has been threatened into it and who does it willingly.

Inside job.. if SRK is threatened it could be someone trying to coerce into doing a project..or extract something else... someone within the industry sets up all this. If one person is being targeted, more often than not there is someone hand in glove with the gangster. I am not an investigator so I can't tell anything for sure.. just my perception.. like criminal and politician nexus maybe...

Abu Salem was the scourge of Bollywood...Monika bedi entered into a mutually beneficial relationship with him and later cried victim when he was caught. Who knows who were his associates... the newer players in underworld might also have associates in Bollywood

I am not telling that every single person is a criminal, but many would have some misdemeanor.. black money? Kuch bhi ho sakta hai...again it is just my perception.. I had a dim view of Bollywood in the beginning , so what i have read could have a selection bias.. but the politician- media- Bollywood nexus makes me think negatively about Bollywood. One can't be sure of anything unless one is a part of the system but I feel everyone is scratching each others back. ( this isn't in context of ssr case.. I am not an Arnab apologist..he has an agenda and is being paid well for it, deffo not a martyr.... )

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

The holier than thou statement isn't for this situation. It is for the thought leader mantle that Bollywood generally assumes...you may think it is fine but I find it hypocritical coming from them-that is my opinion and I wrote it.

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Rhea and others specifically targeted definitely have to approach the court of law.. Bollywood as a whole? Some people think it is right but I don't think so... Other industries are vilified too.. Anchors cry hoarse screaming corporate greed, names of businessmen are also dragged along in reports of scam.. It isn't that Bollywood a specific target.. A lot of industries are.. Politicians and policemen are targeted this way too... Diatribe against Mumbai /UP /Bihar police also takes place... .how was the coverage of Augusta Westland scam.. People were hounded then too.. Didn't Rajiv Gandhi suffer from Bofors allegations.. Media did it and the stain couldn't be washed away.. A lot of political careers were destroyed this way.. Does that mean scams shouldn't be investigated by journalists? Language should be censored but a lot of people in public life say worse things in media..a lot of people in public life, actors included just shoot allegations and scoot... Accountability lies with everyone who speaks to media.. Not just journalists but also the panelists.. The ones being interviewed.. The ones writing an op-Ed.. I feel members of Bollywood has been openly taking stances which will be questioned

. And then cry victim and gang up together..

I am not saying that media is God but I find it hypocritical when bollywood as an industry petitions like this. Whether they sue or not is their look out but I don't agree that Bollywood is the only victim. I hold on to my views in this regard

I am nowhere telling that they can't seek a legal opinion.. They can and they will.. It is a free country.... I found the stance rather rich coming from them.. I don't mean to say that they don't have legal redressal.. It is just that they cry foul when they are to be regulated. News need to be regulated first.... But what would be the industry's stance on regulating OTT? ( i know that it is fiction) but by that logic anything presented for public viewing must be approved isn't it..

I have my sympathies with the women who were victims of the whole ssr incident. They need an on - air apology.. . But I find Bollywood petition vain- again my opinion and I don't speak for anyone

For me its simple they were vilified without much evidence and not in a normal way but with an intention of bringing them down while using someone's death. I don't think this can be put under the normal circumstances in which vilifying happens. Despite all this Bollywood is taking the most democratic route. They are NOT inciting more hatred via social media in the way Kangana does. They just filed a petition. The other side has equal opportunity to put forward their case.

I am not saying Bollywood is a victim and also i don't think filing a petition makes some one a victim.

Of course media houses can investigate a scam but when a scam is being investigated without any evidence then the media houses have to be ready to face the music as well. I will say again they have only filed a petition.No judgement has been passed.

Unlike Arnab and Kangana who only pass judgment and think they are the only right ones. Bollywood hasn't done that. Its a petition if media feels they were right in doing whatever they did then they can put forward their case as well. Both sides have equal opportunity here.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold- when have they assumed a leader mantle? I didn't understand .Its not that i think its fine or not fine i don't get the leader mantle thing.

For me its simple they were vilified without much evidence and not in a normal way but with an intention of bringing them down while using someone's death. I don't think this can be put under the normal circumstances in which vilifying happens. Despite all this Bollywood is taking the most democratic route. They are NOT inciting more hatred via social media in the way Kangana does. They just filed a petition. The other side has equal opportunity to put forward their case.

I am not saying Bollywood is a victim and also i don't think filing a petition makes some one a victim.

Of course media houses can investigate a scam but when a scam is being investigated without any evidence then the media houses have to be ready to face the music as well. I will say again they have only filed a petition.No judgement has been passed.

Unlike Arnab and Kangana who only pass judgment and think they are the only right ones. Bollywood hasn't done that. Its a petition if media feels they were right in doing whatever they did then they can put forward their case as well. Both sides have equal opportunity here.

My perception...can't give concrete evidence about that. Thought leader in general not specific to this case. I feel a lot of Bollywood people behave as if their word is the last word on anything while they have shady dealings themselves. That's what I was talking about, nothing specific to this case. If I elaborate on why I feel so, it will take a lot of time, energy, effort to search for links.. credibility of the news source will be questioned by some other members and so on..... discussion will be endless..arguments and counterarguments ..logic and fallacy a lot of things will come up...While we both will be civil, the thread will be locked. I don't have the time or inclination to do that and since I am not a public figure, I have the luxury of not having to explain my stance Let me just say that it is my perception of Bollywood that doesn't make me empathize with the body as a whole and end it at that.

I agree with you on Arnab and legal remedies. As on Rhea, I have already made my stance clear in some other thread..she is a victim of an organized and coordinated witch hunt which I can clearly see now ( even without going through everything related to the case)...

Suna hai Arnab got sued by Sandeep for 200 crores?? ye log ab sirf chaddi chorenge Arnab ke paas...😭

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

Suna hai Arnab got sued by Sandeep for 200 crores?? ye log ab sirf chaddi chorenge Arnab ke paas...😭

Nope.. I am pretty sure he has secret funds parked in strategic locations ( which he won't give to anyone)...Max to max he will flee the country and live off it. All top journalists have upar ki kamayi...only the smaller ones get 2bhk... bade log get fabulous gifts from their masters. No one grows this big without planning for 'contingencies '. I am pretty sure that all big guys have even planned which Caribbean country to flee to.

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

Suna hai Arnab got sued by Sandeep for 200 crores?? ye log ab sirf chaddi chorenge Arnab ke paas...😭

I don't think he is going anywhere.