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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Scarlet.ferro


You are a lawyer no? Please forgive me if not , I just very vaguely remember reading in some of your posts.


Being a professional in field of mental health , I will never demean anything as horrifying as depression. But, I also know the fact that not all depressed people end up dying by suicide. , Yes it has possibility I agree. But it's not obvious to conclude.

The only obvious here is depression. Not the death. I am not saying bollywood or any one related have a motive in killing him or whatever but there are other people too who were aware of his condition. You are are lawyer , you must be knowing how people genuinely take advantage of the weakest points.

And when police didn't even see the body hanging, how did they conclude it as a suicide just after minutes.

The marks and everything else don't add up to his death due to suicide.

Doesn't mean he was not depressed! Nobody said he wasn't depressed. It was visible..Evident..


Thank you. We need more education on depression.


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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Scarlet.ferro


You are a lawyer no? Please forgive me if not , I just very vaguely remember reading in some of your posts.


Being a professional in field of mental health , I will never demean anything as horrifying as depression. But, I also know the fact that not all depressed people end up dying by suicide. , Yes it has possibility I agree. But it's not obvious to conclude.

The only obvious here is depression. Not the death. I am not saying bollywood or any one related have a motive in killing him or whatever but there are other people too who were aware of his condition. You are are lawyer , you must be knowing how people genuinely take advantage of the weakest points.

And when police didn't even see the body hanging, how did they conclude it as a suicide just after minutes.

The marks and everything else don't add up to his death due to suicide.

Doesn't mean he was not depressed! Nobody said he wasn't depressed. It was visible..Evident..


Hi Scarlet, yes I am. Absolutely agree to your first point that people and movie stars/rockstars and their estates are taken advantage of by managers and hangers on all the time. Perhaps in SSR's case, he was surrounded by users and nobody real- that seemed evident in all his interviews post Ankita.


But why do we forget that there was a full post mortem that was conducted!! If post mortems are inconclusive or the slightest hint of the contusion marks being unaccounted for, it would NEVER say "no foul play" . Even Sri devi's death did not have this kind of an open and shut conclusion to the post mortem The body would have also shown signs of struggle, if anyone tried anything.The first account we read on that morning of his death in June, most articles said "apparent suicide". It was just a media report based on initial impressions- happens all the time. The investigations later confirmed it.


I am a huge fan myself so I am not heartless or insensitive to your grief or everyone's loss. But I think it is plain wrong for people to be misled into thinking that the investigation is faulty or that we know better. We dont know ANY of the facts apart from chatter on social media or stuff from "leaked sources" - which again are not the most reliable (Rhea's haunted house anyone?). It takes authorities MONTHS to build a case, but people on social media have cracked it on the basis of leaked pictures, half baked facts and their feelings? A few days ago everyone was convinced that Rhea did it for money!! Usse pehle Rhea was Mahesh Bhatt's agent "planted" into SSR's life. We cant keep doing this. It's bizarre.


None of us are qualified to "solve" a murder case. This is not a movie. As I said before, just because I know a few points of the law- doesnt mean I know the facts either. We are NOT experts and it is gravely irresponsible to speculate like this on the internet. We are going into a conspiracyland of Trump and QAnon, as someone said, if we make the mistake of thinking we are the experts and can solve the case from the laptops. Not a dig on you Scarlet, and you are fully entitled to your opinion but people not to press pause a bit.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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we want to know who created false metoo movement? Who created false rumors of his character? There were too many false rumors on him.


supporting your favorite is great. This case is not about injury or breakup but a death. And try to educate yourself on depression. Like I have said so many times if you have not experienced or does not know about depression then please do not make a judgement. In depression you just want to stay in your room.


Yes that is the question I agree.


Not making a judgement on depression, I'm sorry if you felt that way. I have seen it very closely with those in my immediate circle too.

But I have seen many people deny that SSR was depressed because they see it as a "smear" of him by paid PR. Was just responding to that.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sashay01


Hi Scarlet, yes I am. Absolutely agree to your first point that people and movie stars/rockstars and their estates are taken advantage of by managers and hangers on all the time. Perhaps in SSR's case, he was surrounded by users and nobody real- that seemed evident in all his interviews post Ankita.


But why do we forget that there was a full post mortem that was conducted!! If post mortems are inconclusive or the slightest hint of the contusion marks being unaccounted for, it would NEVER say "no foul play" . Even Sri devi's death did not have this kind of an open and shut conclusion to the post mortem The body would have also shown signs of struggle, if anyone tried anything.The first account we read on that morning of his death in June, most articles said "apparent suicide". It was just a media report based on initial impressions- happens all the time. The investigations later confirmed it.


I am a huge fan myself so I am not heartless or insensitive to your grief or everyone's loss. But I think it is plain wrong for people to be misled into thinking that the investigation is faulty or that we know better. We dont know ANY of the facts apart from chatter on social media or stuff from "leaked sources" - which again are not the most reliable (Rhea's haunted house anyone?). It takes authorities MONTHS to build a case, but people on social media have cracked it on the basis of leaked pictures, half baked facts and their feelings? A few days ago everyone was convinced that Rhea did it for money!! Usse pehle Rhea was Mahesh Bhatt's agent "planted" into SSR's life. We cant keep doing this. It's bizarre.


None of us are qualified to "solve" a murder case. This is not a movie. As I said before, just because I know a few points of the law- doesnt mean I know the facts either. We are NOT experts and it is gravely irresponsible to speculate like this on the internet. We are going into a conspiracyland of Trump and QAnon, as someone said, if we make the mistake of thinking we are the experts and can solve the case from the laptops. Not a dig on you Scarlet, and you are fully entitled to your opinion but people not to press pause a bit.


I second you completely that nobody should be misled. Calling system faulty? Well ,though it's not right but unfortunately , more often than not, they have themselves proved this allegations right.


As far as Sushant is concerned , I am not doubting you or anyone as a matter of fact who believe he died by suicide or the investigation is in right direction. I understand everyone has different view and they perceive things differently.


All I am talking about is , suicide is not as obvious as it's been made and linked with mental health.

They both are different things.

Just like all those who commit suicide are not having mental illness , all those who have mental illness commit suicide. It's a two way road.

A death is involved here.

Would you not want to investigate the cause of asphyxiation if he was one of your clients? The post mortem said death due to asphyxiation which can be due to anything.


If I am not agreeing to suicide theory doesn't mean I am demeaning his mental health! How are these two even linked I have no idea. Why are people mixing these two is seriously beyond me.

This person said he was hospitalised due to depression (I believe it could be manic.. but can't say anything with absolute correctness) which is a fact. I am going by his words. But after that episode , he ends up starting three startups , codes a game, writes scripts, wears a mask while going out to be on the safer side (not suicidal at all, bdw) , etc , meant he had an upward curve.

Yes there's a possibility of repetitive occurance of depressed episodes but again connecting the depressive episodes with suicide is not a 100% assurity for it does not clarify why would Sushant change his SIM cards 50 times.

Refusing to accept it as a suicide and insulting someone's mental health are not same things.


Infact all those who are saying oh he did have a reason for suicide , he was suffering from depression , are indicating majority give up just like that after being diagnosed with them.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Hence we should believe that it was a suicide


RIP Logic lol

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Him being admitted for dengue news came once. In 2020 before the lockdown began he was spotted at the gym several times. If he was so ill how did Rumi decide to start a film with him??

I have never contested that he must have been battling depression but having depression and being suicidal are two very different things.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Scarlet.ferro


I second you completely that nobody should be misled. Calling system faulty? Well ,though it's not right but unfortunately , more often than not, they have themselves proved this allegations right.


As far as Sushant is concerned , I am not doubting you or anyone as a matter of fact who believe he died by suicide or the investigation is in right direction. I understand everyone has different view and they perceive things differently.


All I am talking about is , suicide is not as obvious as it's been made and linked with mental health.

They both are different things.

Just like all those who commit suicide are not having mental illness , all those who have mental illness commit suicide. It's a two way road.

A death is involved here.

Would you not want to investigate the cause of asphyxiation if he was one of your clients? The post mortem said death due to asphyxiation which can be due to anything.


If I am not agreeing to suicide theory doesn't mean I am demeaning his mental health! How are these two even linked I have no idea. Why are people mixing these two is seriously beyond me.

This person said he was hospitalised due to depression (I believe it could be manic.. but can't say anything with absolute correctness) which is a fact. I am going by his words. But after that episode , he ends up starting three startups , codes a game, writes scripts, wears a mask while going out to be on the safer side (not suicidal at all, bdw) , etc , meant he had an upward curve.

Yes there's a possibility of repetitive ok dance of depressed episodes but again connecting the depressive episodes which suicide is not a 100% assurity for it does not clarify why would Sushant change this SIM cards 50 times.

Refusing to accept it as a suicide and insulting someone's mental health are not same things.


Infact all those who are saying oh he did have a reason for suicide , he was suffering from depression , are indicating majority give up just like that after being diagnosed with them.


Okay I do see your point. Depression and suicide is not at an automatic link always, sometimes it is, sometimes it isnt. It seems like a plausible link here but I stand by what I said- which is I just dont know the facts, atleast till the investigation is done, so obviously I have no clue about his motivations.



If I am not agreeing to suicide theory doesn't mean I am demeaning his mental health! How are these two even linked I have no idea. Why are people mixing these two is seriously beyond me.


Not saying you did it but many, many people dismiss these claims of SSR's mental health as "paid PR". I've seen it repeatedly here so as I said, I was responding to that. I didnt say refusing to accept it as suicide is insulting mental health at all, but screaming "KJO!! Movie Mafia!!" all time while ignoring that he was depressed and NOT talking about what happens to a person when they are outsiders without a support system in Mumbai is undermining a crucial and very universal issue.

Whether we like ir or not, mental health is still taboo in our country and people think if you are "successful" you cant be depressed- that is obviously wrong. People also call you words like "mental" or think there is something wrong with you, if you do. SSR's death should have highlighted the importance of this ALONG WITH nepotism, but it has gone off into crazy land.


Again to be clear, you didnt dothis but a lot of people have, on TV, on our news debates and on this forum have!

In my earlier posts I've said- unequal opportunities and sabotage through PR and mental health are two important tracks and we can have a nuanced conversation about both- but we are only focusing on the former and ignoring the latter.


Suicide is not a 100% assurity for it does not clarify why would Sushant change this SIM cards 50 times.


It's possible that he became paranoid if his story to Rhea about Kashyap wanting to kill him was true? But again pure speculation on my part since the story is unconfirmed and will be till the investigation is closed


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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sashay01


Okay I do see your point. Depression and suicide is not at an automatic link always, sometimes it is, sometimes it isnt. It seems like a plausible link here but I stand by what I said- which is I just dont know the facts, atleast till the investigation is done, so obviously I have no clue about his motivations.



If I am not agreeing to suicide theory doesn't mean I am demeaning his mental health! How are these two even linked I have no idea. Why are people mixing these two is seriously beyond me.


Not saying you did it but many, many people dismiss these claims of SSR's mental health as "paid PR". I've seen it repeatedly here so as I said, I was responding to that. I didnt say refusing to accept it as suicide is insulting mental health at all, but screaming "KJO!! Movie Mafia!!" all time while ignoring that he was depressed and NOT talking about what happens to a person when they are outsiders without a support system in Mumbai is undermining a crucial and very universal issue.

Whether we like ir or not, mental health is still taboo in our country and people think if you are "successful" you cant be depressed- that is obviously wrong. People also call you words like "mental" or think there is something wrong with you, if you do. SSR's death should have highlighted the importance of this ALONG WITH nepotism, but it has gone off into crazy land.


Again to be clear, you didnt dothis but a lot of people have, on TV, on our news debates and on this forum have!

In my earlier posts I've said- unequal opportunities and sabotage through PR and mental health are two important tracks and we can have a nuanced conversation about both- but we are only focusing on the former and ignoring the latter.


Suicide is not a 100% assurity for it does not clarify why would Sushant change this SIM cards 50 times.


It's possible that he became paranoid if his story to Rhea about Kashyap wanting to kill him was true? But again pure speculation on my part since the story is unconfirmed and will be till the investigation is closed



Out of context , but rhea didn't confirm this. Nor did she say this. It was from mahesh' spokesperson. Who also said about schezophrenia.

No doctor confirmed schezophrenia .

Also, anyone suffering from schezophrenia don't party . They live in constant fear. Literally heart gripping fear of being killed.. They hallucinate and listen voices.

By no means they are capable of focusing on anything, let alone host a party, play a game, read about themselves on phone, make a call and have a normal conversation to anyone.. apparently Sushant did everything mentioned above.


Anyway I do agree with you that we all are far from the facts. Hence I also stand by my point that just as much murder has no proof whatsoever, so does suicide.

Depression is not a pre-condition for suicide always.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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we all know that he was fighting depression so whats new in this article......only that he was admitted, but that was always a possibility.....


but the question is, that why wasnt his family be his side, if he was indeed that much deep in the issue....... secondly, this only shows poor on his live-in gf, who supposedly fought with him, and left him despite knowing the depth of depression he was going through......why couldnt she wait till his sister came by his side......doesnt speak much highly of her.......


thirdly, depression doesnt absolve the one who created the fake metoo allegations and the various fake blinds on SSR, of his crime.......that criminal has to be bought to justice, if possible.....or at least laws amended so that no-one tries to do that to anyone else, in future......


in all this furore, the one thing officially bought forward by Gajendra Chauhan is the one-sided contracts between Producers and Artists....... i hope this is addressed too

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Him being admitted for dengue news came once. In 2020 before the lockdown began he was spotted at the gym several times. If he was so ill how did Rumi decide to start a film with him??

I have never contested that he must have been battling depression but having depression and being suicidal are two very different things.


You can be depressed or suicidal yet appear the happiest person or display no signs. It's not like all depressed people don't work or go about their normal routine. Whether this was a suicide or not is still being investigated so I'm not speaking to that but there is no correlation between these things you have mentioned.

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