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Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Kamsa did not kill her because he developed an "attraction" to the baby. I don't believe it means Kamsa was a pedophile. He liked the child is all and let her live.

And she grew in Mathura with great amount of freedom and was educated like a boy.

Her given name was Kuhu, meaning new moon. Either she was dark as new moon or she was born the new moon after Krishna when the exchange happened or both. She was somehow simultaneously the daughter of Nanda and Angirasa. She carried out Krishna's missions for him.

This info is from HV and MBh, not folktales. Folktales from Orissa call Subhadra Ekanamsa, but Subhadra was a minimum of 11 years younger than Krishna. If you don't believe in magic, the only person who fits that description is Panchali. It also explains the obvious affection between the two.

Wasn’t Draupadi younger than Krishna?

How could someone exchange Baby Krishna with Baby Draupadi?
I am assuming exchange here meant Kansa assumed the baby was Krishna and for this they have to be of same age

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Let's argue about the twin bros for a change. No one talks about them 😆.

What do you think is a more logical explanation for Shalya taking Kauarava side?

Why do you think that he couldn't have been tricked?

By the way aren't Dury n Karna his son in laws as per Indonesian Mahabharata

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Wasn’t Draupadi younger than Krishna?

How could someone exchange Baby Krishna with Baby Draupadi?
I am assuming exchange here meant Kansa assumed the baby was Krishna and for this they have to be of same age

Draupadi's age is not known

We assume that she would have been younger since we think she would have been around 16 at the time of Swayamwar, but none of us know her actual age.

Anyhow slender girls of around 22 could pass for 17 if someone says

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Wasn’t Draupadi younger than Krishna?

How could someone exchange Baby Krishna with Baby Draupadi?
I am assuming exchange here meant Kansa assumed the baby was Krishna and for this they have to be of same age

Panchali's precise age is not known.

I did a calculation of ages in prior thread.

Upanayana of kshatriya boys happens as early as 6. Can be as late as 11. If not then, then can happen until 22.

Pandavas were princes. So were Kauravas. Likely that 11 was the age of the oldest with the youngest around 6 as they all entered gurukul together. Ie, Arjuna was around 7, being an year older than the twins. Manusmriti also says kshatriya education is 12 years. Ie, Arjuna would've been 19 by gurudakshina war. 21ish by swayamvara.

As Krishna was of same age, he was likely 21ish.

Now, given the definitions of kumaari and the age requirements for marriage, Panchali was at least 16. On paper. How difficult would it have been for Vyasa to pluck a very beautiful and youthful (as mentioned multiple times) 21 yo and pass her off as 16 to Drupada?

Plus, nothing in Panchali's demeanor swayamvara onwards suggests a child or a teenager. There was a time when I wanted to believe she was a child, manipulated by the cruel men around her, but nothing in the text even remotely hints at her being manipulable. Someone once told me Yudhishtira must've taught her what she knew 🤣. For one, she is described as educated at her adoption AND she herself describes learning in her father's house. For another, the relationship between Yudhishtira and Panchali does not suggest he taught her anything.

No warrior could come from outside and murder a king and then go sit on the throne.

Citizens will rebel. The neighbouring kings will attack only to ensure that they are not attacked and killed themselves.

Even if they cannot get rid of the new guy, they will never accept and co operate willingly.

They will keep looking for opportunities to kill him.

That is why I said there were only 3 emperors in india.

Even Asoka stopped after Kalinga for this reason. He finally realised that people men women and children of Kaling would rather die than except him as their emperor. He can never win over them with a sword.

Even mughals or british couldnt do it. Anybodynwho could attack or rebel or protest did, till finally they were removed.

People deified Krishna and made him God so automatically Kansa had to be the bad guy. But this deification happened after Krishna had died.

Till he was alive, no one really believed that he was a God and Kansa was evil.

Every king except Drupad came with Jarasandh to attack.mathura.And they fought with their every might against Krishna not once but 18 times. And even after Krishna.left Mathura he never had any friends other than Pandavas and a very few kings whose daughters he married.

If he had dared killed Jarasandh. No one would ever let Krishna or his family live.

Bhima killed him in a fair fight in his home, without attacking his kingdom, only after queit a number of kings came under threat from Jarasandh's imperial ambitions. And then Krishna promptly appointed his son as the next King to avoid any negative fallout and got sahdev married to his daughter and bhima to shishupal's (whom jarasandh had taken on as protege) sister and nakul to shishupal's daughter.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Why do you think that he couldn't have been tricked?

By the way aren't Dury n Karna his son in laws as per Indonesian Mahabharata

I didn't know about this. So basically, Shalya made the decision to go with in-laws than nephews.

How did Bheem marry Shishupal's sister. They would be parallel cousins right

Parallel cousin marriages are prohibited in Indian religions right?

Or Shishupal's sister he married from a different mother?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Draupadi's age is not known

We assume that she would have been younger since we think she would have been around 16 at the time of Swayamwar, but none of us know her actual age.

Anyhow slender girls of around 22 could pass for 17 if someone says

But she was raised as a boy, right?

She completed Krishna’s missions

I am really not able to understand why would Krishna and Vyasa ask Drupad to adopt Draupadi? What was the purpose? What about Dristadumya who was her twin brother?

On one hand we say people can’t plan then on the other hand this

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I didn't know about this. So basically, Shalya made the decision to go with in-laws than nephews.

Normal people do that

Likes of Balram are born once in centuries

Originally posted by: NoraSM

But she was raised as a boy, right?

She completed Krishna’s missions

I am really not able to understand why would Krishna and Vyasa ask Drupad to adopt Draupadi? What was the purpose?

On one hand we say people can’t plan then on the other hand this

I don't think she was raised as boy for fulfilling some function, that she did

It was when Drupad adopted her she supported Krishna