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I think I still have issues in understanding yet would like to point out the issues with this theory

1) The saint married to Indrasena is from a much earlier time, because Ahalya is his grand daughter.

2) Since Nal can not be present in the Dwapar Yuga era, hence we might take Indrasena to be the daughter of someone from Nala's lineage, however there is no reason why they would give away their daughter for adoption especially since her brother was also adopted

3) Indrasena being Panchali's maid again isn't much of help here, why would she rename her maid to her previous name

What I could decipher of it is simply that she was somehow from the progeny of Maugdalya and Nal's daughter, maybe at some point someone Agniras family mighty have also been married into the family considering they were close.

Draupadi was intelligent and sharp, and hence started being compared to Indrasena in her knowledge and strength, hence was called her reincarnation.

Once Drupad adopted her, he wanted her to have royal etiquettes along with knowledge, so she was given a governoress, but why would she be called Indrasena

Remarriage isn't an option since in no way a girl who has already given birth resemble a Kumari Kanya

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I think I still have issues in understanding yet would like to point out the issues with this theory

1) The saint married to Indrasena is from a much earlier time, because Ahalya is his grand daughter.

2) Since Nal can not be present in the Dwapar Yuga era, hence we might take Indrasena to be the daughter of someone from Nala's lineage, however there is no reason why they would give away their daughter for adoption especially since her brother was also adopted

3) Indrasena being Panchali's maid again isn't much of help here, why would she rename her maid to her previous name

What I could decipher of it is simply that she was somehow from the progeny of Maugdalya and Nal's daughter, maybe at some point someone Agniras family mighty have also been married into the family considering they were close.

Draupadi was intelligent and sharp, and hence started being compared to Indrasena in her knowledge and strength, hence was called her reincarnation.

Once Drupad adopted her, he wanted her to have royal etiquettes along with knowledge, so she was given a governoress, but why would she be called Indrasena

Remarriage isn't an option since in no way a girl who has already given birth resemble a Kumari Kanya

Isn't that what I said? Panchali was likely an Angirasa who married into the Maudgalya family. Not the Nalayani who married the original Maudgalya.

Remarriage was very much an option those days. See: Satyavati. Even after Shanthanu, Panchal king wanted to marry her. Ie, after 2 men.

Panchali was presented as a virgin. Doesn't mean she was actually one.

Yup. Maudgalya was too far before Draupadi was born...she cannot be Nalayani.

It is Maudgalya - Prithupala - Ahalya - Satanandand - Satyadhriti - Saradwat - kripi then Ashwatthama. Draupadi was Ashwathhama generation.

Nalayani / indrasena existed six generations before her. How can she be Nalayani.

Nalayani was even before Dasratha Rama was born

Draupadi is in Krishna avatar.

It was just a reincarntion story added for excuse to justify 5 husbands. A bad and stupid patriarchal one at that, calling her oversexed and getting cursed with 5 husbands for that.

I dont dispute her being brahmana born and also from related panchala branch.

In any case Angirasa were many. She could be from.any of those

Brihaspati lineage. Utthaya lineage. Samvarta lineage

Also..the angirasa association stopped after divodasa ahalya. As ahalya became gautama gotra and divodasavs children.took.on bhargava gotra.

Much purer angirasa line belongs to the kausikas

visvamitra's descendents.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Also..the angirasa association stopped after divodasa ahalya. As ahalya became gautama gotra and divodasavs children.took.on bhargava gotra.

Much purer angirasa line belongs to the kausikas

visvamitra's descendents.

What I was TRYING to say ... Maudgalya - Nalayani mentioned could be because Panchali, an Agni/Angirasa born, could've been married to an actual Maudgalya of her own generation. He clearly didn't die. Just like Parashara hadn't died when Satyavati married Shanthanu.

Btw, that same link includes mentions of Viswamitra IIRC.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

What I was TRYING to say ... Maudgalya - Nalayani mentioned could be because Panchali, an Agni/Angirasa born, could've been married to an actual Maudgalya of her own generation. He clearly didn't die. Just like Parashara hadn't died when Satyavati married Shanthanu.

Btw, that same link includes mentions of Viswamitra IIRC.

Parashar wasn't Satyavati's husband as far as I know

Their relation was just Brahmin sewa for progeny right

His death wasn't needed for marriage with Shantanu.

But I doubt ancient India had divorce system that Panchali could have left the Maugdalya and come to Panchal

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Parashar wasn't Satyavati's husband as far as I know

Their relation was just Brahmin sewa for progeny right

His death wasn't needed for marriage with Shantanu.

But I doubt ancient India had divorce system that Panchali could have left the Maugdalya and come to Panchal

Acc to Indonesian versions at least, Parashara was married to Satyavati. The couple actually plotted for her to marry Shanthanu. I believe I've seen the same in some Indian versions.

Re: Panchali. Maudgalya in her case had enough of married life and actually let her free to find a husband though it is couched as a curse. I'm saying the fire adoption could've partially been to camouflage her past. Men, then and now, like the idea of a virgin wife.

But why does she have to be married at all. I dont see any necessity for it.

Previous relationships of Satyavati and Kunti served a purpose, a child that is critical for the story.

Whay purpose does Panchali's previous marriage serve.

How does it help in the narrative.

Her being a Brahmin too, what purpose does it serve.

She came out of Yagyavedi with her brother. As I mentioned before being a Brahmin born doesnt make much difference to the sin of Brahmahatya as Indra still had to atone for it. So yeah maybe it helps Dhrishtadyumn being brahmin born. Since they came.together we can presume she was brahmin born too.

Now coming to Agni part. Coming out of fire propaganda to match Pandavas divine origin, makes sense. So yeah she could be a brahmin girl from Angirasa gotra adopted along with her brother by Drupad

But I still dont see why she has to be married...and divorced.....she can be simply an unmarried Brahmin girl born in that family.

In any case I see Nalayani story a force fit of later day. A patriarchal interpolation, to somehow strike fear in the heart of women that polyandrous marriage is actually a curse for being oversexed. Its not a boon. I dont think Nalayani or Maudgalya had anything to do with her

Actually if you take it as history and not as a fiction, then any action need not be done only if it has some impact.

Kunti's and Satyavati's premarital child were detrimental for the story but if you ask me, Pandu marrying Madri didn't serve much purpose overall(Nakul Sahdev mostly were side characters, neither did the relation between Ulupi n Arjun did (I don't see much purpose of Iravan either), yet all of these happened

Although even I don't believe in Maudgalya Nalayani story, yet it can not be rejected just because it served no purpose.

In fact if you take it this way, Drupad might not have been got people willing to carry out Brahmhatya because of obvious reasons, probably in that case Dhristhdhyum would have agreed for it under the condition that the king ensures remarriage and royal treatment of his sister(who after having been Paritakyta by Maudgalya would have been very sad and lifeless.

By the way, why Draupadi n Dhristhdhyum have to be from Agniras? The divine birth of Pandavas have to be a lie propagated by Kunti to strengthen the footings of her sons in royal family, why couldn't Drupad have also come up with same Agnijanma fake story.

Panchali and Dhrishtadyumna were adopted either as adults or at least as teenagers (kumaari chaapi).

Hence, they could not be passed off as divine niyog children.

Agni = Angirasa is mentioned over and over in MBh.

They were probably from Angirasa clan. Given Krishna's connection to Ghora, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Aryavarta Chronicles is at least partly right on this. Panchali was likely Ghora's relative.

I don't know that either Panchali or Dhrishtadyumna NEEDED to be brahmana. Just saying that high probability they were Angirasa brahmana.

Re: Nalayani story. I find it peculiar that Maudgalyas had such close connection with Angirasas. So perhaps some kernel of truth to it.

Dhrishtadyumna was likely Drona's student who was adopted by Drupada to balance the military scales so to speak. Dhrishtadyumna might then have made his sister's marriage a condition for allowing himself to be adopted. My best guess would be Vyasa saw her and probably decided his progeny could certainly use some injection of grey matter. Plus, Drupada and Vyasa probably saw a good chance at an alliance with the Kurus through her.