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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

You guys are on roll. 😆

. Should I start making another thread

I think we would need another one, but not sure if this is allowed on forums without moderator approval

@Chili

Chedi might have been purple but 1) they didn't have the might of Kurus 2) Kurus seemed to have something against Chedi. Wasn't Uparachira Vasu the king of Chedi? Why did he have to send Satyavati to fisherman tribe for adoption and then marriage to Shanthanu? Her biological father was the one who told the adopted dad she needed to marry Shanthanu.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Found something while reading Harivamsa

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Now, hear of the other descendants of AjamIDha. He begot sushAnti on his wife nIlini. From sushAnti was born puru-jAti from whom vAhyAshva is born. The latter had five sons resembling the immortals. They were mudgala, sR^i~njaya, bR^ihad-iShuH, yavInara and the fifth one is the powerful kR^imila-ashva...

Other reading: sushAnti is termed as puru-hèti who begot bahu-ashva; with va ba yoH abhedaH, the above vAhyAshva will become bahvashva, whose sons are the above five.

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These five have become the protective lords of the pa~ nchAla province consisting of prosperous villages and their province came to be called as pa~nchAla because their father asserted – p~ncha alam; five enough; meaning pa~nchAnAm deshAnAm rakshaNe alam; five of my sons are enough to protect the province...

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mudgala's progeny is called the highly illustrious maudgalyA-s, who are all noble, twice-born and abided by the duties of kshatriya-s... and these are called as kANwa-maudgalyA-s as they took the side of a~Ngirasa...

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mudgala's eldest son is the highly illustrious brahma-saint, who through lady indra-sena, the daughter of nala, begot vadhyashva, vadhya ashva... vadhyashva begot twins on the celestial courtesan menaka... we have heard so... one of them is the royal saint divodasa and the other is the illustrious lady ahalya...

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/hv_1_32.html

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So Maudgalya was Kanwa Maudgalya on the side of Angirasa. ie, likely Panchali's bio family since MBh keeps saying Angirasa is Agni.

Fun thing is Maudgalya was married to lady Indrasena, daughter of Nala - ?Nalayani from southern version who was Panchali?

Also, to note: Panchali's maid was called Indrasena at least twice that I know of (once during Jayadrath incident and once before incognito stay)

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I haven't drawn any conclusions. Putting it out there for debate.

Sigh. Quoting again to get people's thoughts.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

@Chili

Chedi might have been purple but 1) they didn't have the might of Kurus

I agree. Pandu was the.most eligible bachelor of the time, atleast till his impotency was revealed/he got cursed

Only thing that it was easier to arrange the marriage for shurasen than it was for Kuntibhoj.

What Chedi was to Hastinapur, was Kunti kingdom to Mathura. A step lower.

And adoption happened when shurasen was king not after he was removed. I think within a year or two of removal he died.

2) Kurus seemed to have something against Chedi. Wasn't Uparachira Vasu the king of Chedi? Why did he have to send Satyavati to fisherman tribe for adoption and then marriage to Shanthanu? Her biological father was the one who told the adopted dad she needed to marry Shanthanu.

Uparichara Vasu had the kids with an apsara Adrika. Who left the kids with Dasaraj. It was Dasaraj who took them to Uparichara. Not the other way round

Now the epic says, he kept the boy with himself, but did not take the girl and asked Dasraj to raise her. And she stank like fish.

Now the son is not mentioned as having any stink. Just that he went on to establish Matsya

Also the epic says that Parasara Rishi removed her stink and gave her a pleasant smell in exchange for having sex with him.

My opinion, Satyavati had some kind of disease, skin disease or something that was very visibly obvious and smelly. Hence Uparichara didnt want to keep her and be known as the father of diseased child. The son was ok so he took him.

Later Rishi Parasara cures her of the disease and she is good looking and pleasant smelling enough for her to be someone's queen. But she has already had a child in secret with Parasara.

To prevent any future ramifications on his family name if the matter leaks out, Uparichara didnt have her back even after she was cured but through dasaraj manages to get her married to Santanu.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Sigh. Quoting again to get people's thoughts.

I read it twice and am still not able to conclude, hoping Chiillii to shred some inputs, you n her are the only ones who could debate on this issue

Mudgala - Moudgalya - Vyadhshwa - Divodasa and Ahalya.

This Ahalya is Gautama rishi wali Ahalya. The one seduced by Indra.

Her son was Shatananda - whose son was Sharadwat and guess who was Sharadwat's children - Kripa and Kripi, the twins raised by Santanu, with Kripi married to Drona and Ashwatthama born to her.

So if at all Draupadi was born in this family, what was Ashwatthama doing being listed as her suitor in Swayamvar.

She is called reincarnation of Indrasena/Nalayani but I dont think that is possible. This family has twin boy girl births though.

Divodasa Ahalya

Kripa Kripi

One other interesting thing. Of the five panchala tribes one starts with Mudgala where Drona.marries into and second tribe is started by srinjaya to which Drupad belongs

Not just that. The mudgala branch sticks to their brahmin/priest/teacher.profession. while srinjaya group becomes.Ksahtriya and leads the five tribes.

I think the friendship powersharing story started here.

Drona wanted to rule and was not satisfied being the living on donations teacher. He wanted his wife's paternal inheritance and Drupad didnt want to share inspite of being a friend.

Ashwatthama was listed, but he was a brahmana. And the end of swayamvara chaos was all about brahmanas participating. So either he wasn't there, or he didn't participate and was merely listed as one of the guests.

Found something:

CE:

Adorned

with every ornament, the great-souled warriors Ashvatthama and Bhoja, skilled in the use of

all weapons, have come.

KMG:

Foremost of all wielders of weapons--the illustrious Aswatthaman and Bhoja, adorned with every ornament have also come for thee.

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That lack of "for thee" makes a big difference.

And I don't understand how an alliance with Angirasa makes Maudgalya Kanwa. Also, wasn't Narada Kanwa?