Why Parikshit? - Page 8

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Draupadi's name wasn't the same as that of Dwarkadheesh. .

The earlier was known as Krishna and the latter as Krishn(without a "aa" sound at the end). The spellings of both do match in English but in Devnagri of Brahmi scripts in which we have the manuscripts the spellings are pretty different.

I don't think there can be much confusion on whom the word referred

This is where people make the error. The word used for Krishna's son is Karshni in Sanskrit. It does not specify which Krishna

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ok people don't kill me for my ignorance. Who is Pragati? Never read about her😛

Pragiti was arjuna s daughter. A very popular folkfore But then name of the mother is not mentioned. I am not sure from where did drapaudi being her mother came up

Originally posted by: NoraSM

@red

It is stated that Arjuna trained Abhimanyu and Upapandavas

'The child from his earliest years became the favourite of Vasudeva and of his father and uncles, like the moon of all the people of the world. Upon his birth, Krishna performed the usual rites of infancy. The child began to grow up like the Moon of the bright fortnight. That grinder of foes soon became conversant with the Vedas and acquired from his father the science of weapon both celestial and human, consisting of four branches and ten divisions.'

His father and Vasudeva are mentioned separately, the last sentence stays that his father trained him

'All of them, of excellent behaviour and vows, after having studied the Vedas, acquired from Arjuna a knowledge of all the weapons, celestial and human'

This one States Arjuna trained Upapandavas too

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01224.htm

@Blue

Ghatothkach's son and Bheema's grandson also participated in war

Afflicted with showers of shafts by Bhimasena's grandson, viz., the brave Anjanaparvan, Aswatthaman looked like the mountain Meru bearing a torrent of rain from a mighty cloud.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07152.htm

Ghatothkach growing up + having a grown up son who can participate in war, is not possible if Abhimanyu and Upapandavas were teenagers

@green -/Abhimanyu's birth is described before Khandaprasth Dahan incident where Arjun got Gandiva, Dhrithrashtra clearly states that 33 years have been passed since the burning of Khandavprastha

"Three and thirty years have passed away since the time, when Arjuna, having invited Agni, gratified him at Khandava, vanquishing all the celestials. "

In all this, Upapandavas and Abhimanyu participated along with their uncles in Rajysuya Yagya

"O king, followed Suvala with his son; and the sons of Draupadi with the son of Subhadra followed those mighty warriors--the kings of the mountainous countries. And other bulls among Kshatriyas followed other Kshatriyas. And the Brahmanas by thousands also went away, duly worshipped.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02044.htmsons

They were old enough during this yagya to follow kings themselves

After reading all this, I came to a conclusion that Abhi was 30+ and Arjuna was very much a part of his childhood and Early training, but again, it depends on what one believes as there are many contradictions in the story

@purple

Like Kunti was mother figure for Nakul and Sahdev but they are called Madri's sons

None of the calculations given here is possible without believing in 200 year old Bheeshma.

If you believe that, then no argument. Even then, Ghatotkatch supposedly shot to adulthood right after his birth, so his son would be in his teens/twenties by the time of war.😆

If you believe in normal laws of physics and biology, DRONA is the only one whose age is stated in MBh. He is plainly stated to be 85 at Kurukshetra. He was Bheeshma's generation. If 85 to 90 year old Bheeshma was Pandavas' grandfather, then yes, Abhimanyu was in his teens to early 20s.

Also, in a post above, there a citations to actually who trained Abhimanyu. It wasn't his father. It was Pradyumna.

Even if we were to consider the theory of Arjuna training Abhimanyu... when? Arjuna left on imperial campaign soon after Khandava prastha. When he returned, it was in time for rajasuya. Then, dice hall happened.

Once again, Abhimanyu being an adult is a theory put forward to somehow normalize the MURDER done by Kauravas and Drona and Karna. They were murderers, pure and simple, not heroes, not warriors. It would be murder even if Abhimanyu were an adult which he was not.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I think Suthanu is mentioned in Harivamsa. Pragathi is folklore.

Panchali actually never mentions any of her supposed children in exile. Even when Krishna and Satyabhama visit, they're the ones who mention the children, not her. And even when they how the kids are doing, there is practically no reaction from Panchali.

Might be later interpolation, if she s yudi daughter maybe daughter with another wife,panchali does talks about her sons, when she was talking about stree dharma she did mentioned about her sons and how she used to take care of them( biolgical/adopted), if suthanu s biological daughter she would have at least talked about suthanu,if satya s her samdhi she would have at least asked about her, and I don’t believe Panchali s robotic type who doesn’t even mentions about her only daughter , she loved her stepson Abhimanyu like her own, if she had only one daughter she at least would have mentioned her, and I don’t think krishna and pandavas children married each other,subhadra was married to arjun after all. If vajra got Ip through suthanu it’s a bigthing, ip s capital, vyasa would have mentioned it. Vyasa says panchali goes to meet her sons but there was never mention about daughter,she at least wanted to meet her daughter after 13 years. If satya and krishna talked about her sons how come they never mentioned about daughter, they r bhanu parents they at least would have mentioned about suthanu and asuured about her well-being.

And ya I agree Pragathi s definitely folklore.

Anyway so many texts and contradictions, it’s hard to believe what’s correct r not, wish there’s time machine, I would love to visit mahabharat period,😃 especially Draupadi and krishna.

kArShNi

Sample sentence -

kRRiShNArjunasamaH kArShNiH shakrasadma gato dhruvam 

https://sanskritdocuments.org/mirrors/mahabharata/txt/mbh07.itx

Krishna’s son was like Krishna and Arjunaand has certainly gone to Shakra’s abode.

Female Krishna -

kRRiShNA

Sample sentence -

duryodhana uvAcha|| ihaitya kRRiShNA pA~nchAlI prashnametaM prabhAShatAm | ihaiva sarve shRRiNvantu tasyA asya cha yadvachaH

https://sanskritdocuments.org/mirrors/mahabharata/txt/mbh02.itx

Male Krishna -

kRRiShNa

Sample sentence -

arjuna uvAcha|| dasha varShasahasrANi yatrasAya~NgRRiho muniH | vyacharastvaM purA kRRiShNa parvate gandhamAdane 

https://sanskritdocuments.org/mirrors/mahabharata/txt/mbh03.itx

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So no way to tell which Krishna makes Abhimanyu kArShNi as far as I know. I can double check with someone actually knows Sansktit😆

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Pragati is a folklore. Suthanu is not. Harivasma mentions her SB mentions her. Vayu puran mentions. The book about ancient indian dynasties mentions just because one text on mb does not mention her does not mean she was folkfore not every other text can be wrong di

plus kmg only follow the version on which neelkhant did his commentary. Hence that is not the only source of mb. There are other versions Indonesian version nepali version Kashmiri version bhuddhism s version Bombay edition gita press version. Northern recension southern recession etc. And all these versions do vary to some extent from eachother and even contradiction can be found in within one single text.

That s how history is there are various sources one cannot simply place everything on one single source.

anyway many versions r saying many things, and it’s history after all, difficult to say what’s true r not.

It is not pragati but Pregawati. She also has a twin sister Pregawa. Mother is not Draupadi though. Most likely it is subhadra as there is a story involving the twin girls being lost in childhood and Abhimanyu finding them. I don't remember the details, though

The name is found in Javanese Mahabharata from Indonesia. There Arjun is not married to Draupadi, he is married to Subhadra and guess who... Shikhandi. Shikhandi there is Draupadi's sister not her brother and also a disciple of Arjun who teaches her archery. They eventually fall in love and marry

There Arjun is also married to Hidimba's sister and has a son from her who does fighting in the war, alongside Ghatothkach

Of course he has his other wives Ulupi, chitraganda and I think two or three more.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Ok people don't kill me for my ignorance. Who is Pragati? Never read about her😛

Pragithi was said to be arjuna nd daupadi daughter, but it’s folklore.

^^^ Why wouldn't Krishna and Pandavas children marry?? They are still cross cousins and cross cousin marriages were common back them in Yadavs

Arjun and Subhadra were first cousins themselves yet they married so why an issue in the marriage of Draupadi's daughter by someone who isn't even Subhadra's husband to Krishna's son?

Originally posted by: swathi90

I totally agree pragithi s folklore, and I don’t believe suthanu s Draupadi daughter, I don’t think she had daughter , even if she was there maybe a daughter with another wife just like how some here r saying Draupadi adopted 5 sons of pandavas maybe she adopted daughter also( if she at all existed), because if we leave darupadi , even satya and krishna never mentions about suthanu they r after all bhanu parents, they would have at least talked about suthanu and assured about her well being, but they does assures about 5 sons but never mentions about suthanu who if believed s their daughter in law.

anyway many versions r saying many things, and it’s history after all, difficult to say what’s true r not.

We only have kmg and CE for reference so we can't be sure even if she does mentions in another version 😆

Nepali and Kashmiri version are said to be the oldest and most authentic less adulterated. So i want to read those. There swarghoran is not mentioned but instead drapaudi is said to have walked out on pandavas and gone to her biological parents not drapaud as he adopted her. So we can't be sure.

But how are you di ??