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Vrihsena was actually a terrored opponent for Pandavas. More than Karna. Even before his death he was on a spree destroying nearly any Pandav warrior that came into his way, he defeated Nakul Sahdev and Yudhishtir (Uppandavas too but I don't consider them in top league soldiers)

On the day of his death he will destroying the army and moving ahead when finally the Pandav army (big warriors) surrounded him it(similar to Abhimanyu Vadh the only difference being here Arjun killed him single handedly) wanting to avenge Abhimanyu, Arjun chopped off his hands and legs before actually killing him(his death is one of the most disturbing points for me in the war especially since he wasn't evil unlike his father and uncles (I mean Dury and Dushy))

Can someone please tell me if he was there in the war since day 1 or did he enter after the fall of Bheeshm with Karna?? I had read somewhere that that not just Karna but his entire army and family entered the war after the fall of Bheeshm

Originally posted by: AnkitaPurka66

Kalinga and Pragjyotisha also supported Duryodhana. They re Orissa and Assam in present times.

So I don't think we can conclude anything 😊

I know that even Ang supported Kauravas that is current day Bihar(north Bihar) and obviously Dwarika army (Gujarat) I meant entire Pakistan, no one from that side supported Pandavas

I need to check but as far as I know Anga Banga and Kalinga were triplet kingdoms for most part of the history. They collaborated with each other in strategic alliances. Since both Anga(Karna) and Kalinga (father in law of Duryodhan) supported Kauravas I think even Bang would have supported them (not sure, just making an assumption) or else they wouldn't have participated.

Current day Bangladesh (which was a part of Pakistan till1971) has parts of Assam (Pragjyotish) and obviously Bengal, BangDesh so I guess if my above assumption is true this theory could be extrapolated

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Vrihsena was actually a terrored opponent for Pandavas. More than Karna. Even before his death he was on a spree destroying nearly any Pandav warrior that came into his way, he defeated Nakul Sahdev and Yudhishtir (Uppandavas too but I don't consider them in top league soldiers)

On the day of his death he will destroying the army and moving ahead when finally the Pandav army (big warriors) surrounded him it(similar to Abhimanyu Vadh the only difference being here Arjun killed him single handedly) wanting to avenge Abhimanyu, Arjun chopped off his hands and legs before actually killing him(his death is one of the most disturbing points for me in the war especially since he wasn't evil unlike his father and uncles (I mean Dury and Dushy))

Can someone please tell me if he was there in the war since day 1 or did he enter after the fall of Bheeshm with Karna?? I had read somewhere that that not just Karna but his entire army and family entered the war after the fall of Bheeshm

I personally believe that whoever died apart from 100 kauravas was given an OTT death, I mean these people didn't do anything for days but on the day of their death, they defeated everyone

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Abhimanyu was declared the next heir to the throne before the war

The biggest army was from panchal, why wouldn't Dhristadumya command his own army? That's why he was the Commander - in - chief

Citation needed for the first claim. It's not even obvious that Abhimanyu was older than Draupadi's first 2 sons: during Arjun's exile, why wouldn't she have birthed Prativindya and Satsoma?

The seven Pandava akshauni commanders were Dhrishtadyumna, Drupada, Sikhandi, Virata, Satyaki and I think the last 2 were Dhrishtaketu and Sahadev of Magadha. Dhrishtadyumna led both his own akshauni as well as the entire army. Again note that Drupada was very much alive and there, so the claim that Dhrishtadyumna was the leader of Panchala was false (until day 15)

Reason Dhrishtadyumna shouldn't have commanded the entire army was b'cos Satyaki was more competent: except Bhurishrava and Bheeshma, he was more often than not adequate to handle the likes of Drona, Kripa, Ashwatthama, Karna and Shalya. Something that was not true about Dhrishtadyumna

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

^^^OK don't kill me, but On the above I just realized that all the kingdoms that constitute current Pakistan supported Kaurava army

Sindh -- Jaidrath

Trigatha(current day Punjab)-- Shusharma

Gandhar(regions extended till Baluchistan border)-- Shakuni

Madra (North West Frontier)-- Shalya. Agreed he was tricked to support them but he supported them wholeheartedly (excluding day 17 when he tried to demoralise Karna which I guess was more due to personal anger of becoming the driver of a SutaPutra)

I think BangDesh did not participate in war, correct me here

Any idea if Kashyapmir participated n from which side

Dushmani puraani hai

Kekaya - which is today's Waziristan - was the kingdom from which Krishna's wife Bhadra was. That kingdom fought on the Pandava side.

Madra - Shalya's kingdom - is today's Indian Punjab, not Pakistan's. Pakistan's Punjab was Susharma's: you flipped the 2

Gandhara was the kingdom on both sides of the Hindu Kush. If you recall from the Ramayan, Takshashila - Taksha's kingdom, was on the eastern side (today's Rawalpindi), and Pushkalavati was Jalalabad - on the northern/western side of that range.

Anga, Banga, Kalinga and Pragjyotisha all fought on the Kaurava side. Kalinga was the kingdom of Duryodhan's sasural, Anga was Karna's kingdom and Pragjyotisha was that of Bhagadatta, the son of Narakasura

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Vrihsena was actually a terrored opponent for Pandavas. More than Karna. Even before his death he was on a spree destroying nearly any Pandav warrior that came into his way, he defeated Nakul Sahdev and Yudhishtir (Uppandavas too but I don't consider them in top league soldiers)

On the day of his death he will destroying the army and moving ahead when finally the Pandav army (big warriors) surrounded him it(similar to Abhimanyu Vadh the only difference being here Arjun killed him single handedly) wanting to avenge Abhimanyu, Arjun chopped off his hands and legs before actually killing him(his death is one of the most disturbing points for me in the war especially since he wasn't evil unlike his father and uncles (I mean Dury and Dushy))

Can someone please tell me if he was there in the war since day 1 or did he enter after the fall of Bheeshm with Karna?? I had read somewhere that that not just Karna but his entire army and family entered the war after the fall of Bheeshm

The citations seem to suggest that Vrishasena joined the war when his father did.

He had both his ups and downs. On day 11, he defeated the upa Pandavas, who were jointly fighting him, and Abhimanyu had to rescue them. On day 13, he was one of the warriors defeated by Abhimanyu, and on day 14, he was one of the warriors in the core who failed to protect Jayadrath. On day 17, after Dushashan's death, he was battling Nakul and Bhima, and defeating them. Arjun, on returning to the battlefield after his argument w/ Yudhisthir, reminded Karna of how Abhimanyu was slain, and told Karna that unlike Karna who killed Abhimanyu in Arjun's absence, he'd kill Vrishasena right in front of him.

Only thing - Arjun did cheat here: Vrishasena was still fighting Nakul when Arjun cut off his hands and then his head. After that, the great finale KaJu battle started. It's not accurate to say that Arjun killed him single handedly if he was in the middle of a battle w/ Nakul, where he clearly had the upper hand

Originally posted by: NoraSM

I personally believe that whoever died apart from 100 kauravas was given an OTT death, I mean these people didn't do anything for days but on the day of their death, they defeated everyone

Hey no. Vrihsena has been mentioned since the beginning as a fierce warrior. He defeated the 5 Uppandavas in day 12 single handedly.

Even his defeating of Nakul was on an earlier day.

The other three sons of Karna are not mentioned with the valour Vrihsena is

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Citation needed for the first claim. It's not even obvious that Abhimanyu was older than Draupadi's first 2 sons: during Arjun's exile, why wouldn't she have birthed Prativindya and Satsoma?

The seven Pandava akshauni commanders were Dhrishtadyumna, Drupada, Sikhandi, Virata, Satyaki and I think the last 2 were Dhrishtaketu and Sahadev of Magadha. Dhrishtadyumna led both his own akshauni as well as the entire army. Again note that Drupada was very much alive and there, so the claim that Dhrishtadyumna was the leader of Panchala was false (until day 15)

Reason Dhrishtadyumna shouldn't have commanded the entire army was b'cos Satyaki was more competent: except Bhurishrava and Bheeshma, he was more often than not adequate to handle the likes of Drona, Kripa, Ashwatthama, Karna and Shalya. Something that was not true about Dhrishtadyumna

I have read it on this forum only that Satyaki said Abhimanyu is the king in presence of Yudhistira, @hearmeroar can provide citation

Everyone was assigned a job, Dhristadumya remained the CIC throughout the war where Kauravas had to change their frequently, enough reason to believe that he did a good job

Satyaki was a great warrior, Bheema and Arjuna were better, Why weren't they appointed as CIC?

MSD was great captain and amazing batsman

Sachin, the best batsman in the world was an abysmal captain

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Hey no. Vrihsena has been mentioned since the beginning as a fierce warrior. He defeated the 5 Uppandavas in day 12 single handedly.

Even his defeating of Nakul was on an earlier day.

The other three sons of Karna are not mentioned with the valour Vrihsena is

Oh okay

Why did Karna enter after 10 days?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Hey no. Vrihsena has been mentioned since the beginning as a fierce warrior. He defeated the 5 Uppandavas in day 12 single handedly.

Even his defeating of Nakul was on an earlier day.

The other three sons of Karna are not mentioned with the valour Vrihsena is

Yeah, but there is no mention of Vrishasena on days 1-10, when his father wasn't fighting either. He was probably a part of Karna's akshauni when the latter joined the war

Although that would bring up the question - did Anga not fight the war on days 1-10? Or did they fight it under Bheeshma?