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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I do feel they were genuinely friends. They might have started with the intention to take each others help gain their personal goal, however later they genuinely grew very fond of each other


By the time of Mahabharata war, Karna had lost many at times to Arjun and once to Bheem. There was no reason for Duryodhan to believe that he could be a match for Arjun, nor was he a good strategist (I don't think he ever gave any beneficial idea to Duryodhan) yet he never ignored him and kept him in his innermost circle where even his own brothers (excluding Dusshashan) didn't have the entry to. Aside he agreed when Bheeshm said Karna would not be a part of his army. Duryodhan had many at times rejected the orders of Bheeshm and it was no way difficult for him to do the same this time as well, but he decided otherwise. Had Karna only been an important weapon for Duryodhan, he would have either removed Karna from his close circle or would have insisted Bheeshm on having Karna fight. But he did neither. This shows his genuine bond for Karna


Maybe but I think Bheeshma was more important than Karna in war. So it would be stupidity to let Karna fight over Bhishma. Secondly, Duryodhan probably knew Bhishma would not fight with all his might (well even without his full will and attention he could do wonders). But not fighting willingly for them as he was of course supportive to Pandavas, would mean he would let Arjun defeat him. He had ichha mrityu if we consider the divine element too. So he could choose his death time. So he knew Karna can easily come back once Bhishma is gone.


Karna on the other hand did always remain loyal to Duryodhan (at least before his promise to Kunti), didn't hesitate to use his Indrast on Ghatochkat when Duryodhan asked him to do so despite him knowing that without that defeating Arjun was difficult (he would have never agreed for this had his only aim been defeating Arjun) supported Duryodhan in Lakshagriha, although the death of Arjun would have meant Karna never being able to defeat Arjun just because that made Duryodhan happy.

But he would not even be able to reach Arjun if Ghatothkach continued so he knew he had to. Besides, he chose his personal wrath against Arjun over the important bit. Had he killed Yudhi, it would easily mean victory for the Kauravs. Yet he chose to target Arjun. This makes him choose his self vested interest over Duryodhan's benefit I think.



They were similar in thoughts and resonated with each other. That's the only quality which makes two people friends and they did possess it


Contrary to what we believe people in Mahabharata were grey (not only the supposed good characters but also the bad characters, just the percentage of good n bad qualities varied) Duryodhan and Karna had many vices but they did have their own set of good qualities too, their friendship definitely was one such example


@bold two points 😊

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Posted: 5 years ago
#12

I think the bond started as a way of mutually benefitting each other, but did evolve into something genuine.


FlauntPessimism put the points forth much more logically than I can in her post, so I will leave it at that.

Just to add, Duryodhana mourned Karna's loss acutely something which he didn't do in case of his brothers with the exception of probably Dushasan, so that shows genuine closeness and emotional bond.

And Karna was ready to die in the Kurukshetra but not leave Duryodhana. Speaks volumes.

I know many disagree, but I count Karna Duryodhana friendship as one of the good genuine bonds even though it ended being destructive to both characters individually.😊

Edited by AnkitaPurka66 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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My point is following Bheeshm's order was not a must especially when you haven't done that all your life. Yes you can attribute different reasons for it.

If we go by that logic then no relation in the world can be said to be genuine. No one can take a dip into the minds of others to deduce the truth.

We believe that Draupadi and Krishna had great friendship because of the instances we are told in the epic. One might argue that Draupadi liked Krishna so much because she knew that he was a great politician and without his support her remaining the chief wife of all the Pandavas was impossible especially she was a shared one and others were exclusively theirs. How on the earth can anyone say that this wasn't the case. But here we don't think so because we love both of them both as individuals and also as a pair of friends. But when it comes to Duryodhan Karna and their friendship defined in the epic, our perspective changes just because we dislike both.

It's just a bias that we want to believe in


Anyhow about your points,

Duryodhan might have thought that he would get Karna into the war after Bheeshm's death but why even wait till then?

I can't buy the theory that he didn't believe in Bheeshm being in his support with full commitment, because not even a fool will make the mistake of making a subtle supporter of the enemies his Senapati however efficient he might be


Coming to Karna, no it wasn't that had he not used Indrast he wouldn't have reached Arjun because till then Ghatochkat was only targeting the junior level soldiers who form the outer layer. They were not at direct threat, they could have given some time to strategize and maybe would have realised that Ashwathama could use the Brahmastra towards Ghatochkat. Yet instead he supported his friend in this decision despite it not being the best and against his personal interest

Yes undoubtedly he did cheat his bff when he swore not to kill Yudhishtir but being genuine friend doesn't mean that you let go every other relation and ideology.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Karna went ahead (very well manipulate by krishna and kunti ) and gave a promise to not kill YBNS - yudhishtra being the king here whose death would have turned the wheels of the war to kaurvakas advantage his prime motive being only to kill arjuna so that he could prove himself better - sums up the friendship from karna s side


Duryodhan Provided Karna with entire kingdom in platter , use to seek his advice and even mourned his loss - sums up friendship from duryodhan s side.

Says a lot

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Karna went ahead (very well manipulate by krishna and kunti ) and gave a promise to not kill YBNS - yudhishtra being the king here whose death would have turned the wheels of the war to kaurvakas advantage his prime motive being only to kill arjuna so that he could prove himself better - sums up the friendship from karna s side


Duryodhan Provided Karna with entire kingdom in platter , use to seek his advice and even mourned his loss - sums up friendship from duryodhan s side.

Says a lot

You mean to say Duryodhan was a true friend to Karna but not vice versa???


All the TV show producers are looking for you

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Posted: 5 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

You mean to say Duryodhan was a true friend to Karna but not vice versa???


All the TV show producers are looking for you

I mean what I wrote. And no nobody is looking for me because TV show makers love bath karna with litres and litres of pure white milk if you know what i mean.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I mean what I wrote. And no nobody is looking for me because TV show makers love bath karna with litres and litres of pure white milk if you know what i mean.

Arre usi liye to Kaha. I mean that's the reason I commented

This will give a heart attack to the TV show producers. They are busy proving since ages that Karna was holier than anyone who has ever been on this earth but was manipulated by the evil Duryodhan who faked his friendship to mislead him.


You are completely giving a blow to their efforts they are looking forward for you with many Suparis

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Arre usi liye to Kaha. I mean that's the reason I commented

This will give a heart attack to the TV show producers. They are busy proving since ages that Karna was holier than anyone who has ever been on this earth but was manipulated by the evil Duryodhan who faked his friendship to mislead him.


You are completely giving a blow to their efforts they are looking forward for you with many Suparis

Acha i misunderstood galti se mistake ho gayi 😆


Exactly karna is even purer than the milk or Ganga s water he is just an innocent guy he was manipulated by evil duryodhan n duniya ke saare atyachaae isse pe hue hai. Even his biological daddy helped his arch enemy. #Justforeldest #Whythiskolaveridiwitheldest 😭😭

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Posted: 5 years ago
#19

Though on a serious note i do believe duryodhan s friendship was far more genuine than Karna s

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I mean what I wrote. And no nobody is looking for me because TV show makers love bath karna with litres and litres of pure white milk if you know what i mean.


This is completely true 🤣

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