Karna and Duryodhan's Friendship - Page 5

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Not leaving his side and also not giving his 100% and karna was as adharmi as duryodhan so why put all the blame only in duryodhan ???

Karna was not at all as adharmi as Dury 😳

Who's blaming Duryodhan? Their friendship was an equal one with genuine respect.

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

No 😆

How about Karna not leaving his side inspite of knowing that he was the elder brother of Pandavas, Suryaputra and knowing that Dury was in the adharma camp and they were never going to win with Krishna on the opposite side?

Karna leaving his side would be foolishness. Krishna was only manipulating him. Do you really think Krishna is foolish enough to let Karn have the throne and he was actually planning on it? NO. Try removing him from the divine angle and look at it from a political perspective. He was simply doing what a strategist would have. Karna was not an idiot, he knew what Krishna was up to and leaving Dury's side would result in his loss because Duryodhan was his well wisher, Krishna was NOT.

Karna Duryodhan friendship is not fake IMO, but I don't consider THIS as addition to points in his friendship.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

@bold - Yes, because this involved the killing of Arjun along with the rest whom I don't think he cared about. So he would of course support it and also, this would make his friendship with Duryodhan stronger.

My point is that, if we are actually crediting Karna for rejecting Krishna's offer it should be because he was intelligent enough to know Krishna was faking. I was trying to say that Krishna's words clearly prove he wasn't a well wisher of him, he simply was trying to manipulate him because he was well aware Karna would never do it. And if he was foolish enough to do so, Krishna definitely had his ways to have him killed in the war and besides, Draupadi was not a child I am sure she would not be like if Keshav said let me be yours or something. As for being the king of Hastinapur is concerned, Karna again never wanted to be a King at least I don't think he said so he would hand it over to Duryodhan. Keshav knew that and he would not let that happen.

Hope I was able to clear what I mean.

I have a question regarding this, I don't know much about this incident

Krushna wasn't going to give Karna anything and he made sure that karna knows about it, when both parties know that it won't be fruitful, why did this happen?

'Kuch nahi milega, Nikal' would have been as effective

What I am trying to understand is how did it help Krushna?

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Karna leaving his side would be foolishness. Krishna was only manipulating him. Do you really think Krishna is foolish enough to let Karn have the throne and he was actually planning on it? NO. Try removing him from the divine angle and look at it from a political perspective. He was simply doing what a strategist would have. Karna was not an idiot, he knew what Krishna was up to and leaving Dury's side would result in his loss because Duryodhan was his well wisher, Krishna was NOT.

Karna Duryodhan friendship is not fake IMO, but I don't consider THIS as addition to points in his friendship.

So what exactly could Krishna do to him if he would've switched sides?

And then what was the reason behind Krishna making that offer in the first place?

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Karna was not at all as adharmi as Dury 😳

Who's blaming Duryodhan? Their friendship was an equal one with genuine respect.

Can you explain this bit ?

Duryodhan at least had his reasons to show enmity. Karna had NONE, he participated in the plan of POISONING a child with Duryodhan absolutely unprovoked.

He asked for Brahmastra to kill Arjun at GURUKUL when Arjun never did anything to personally offend him.

He participated in the Lakshagriha plan KNOWING Kunti was also a part of it. I repeat, he never had the enmity or any reason to attempt to murder them. Duryodhan had.

He openly participated in harassment and humiliation of a woman in open court. Infact, he did much more than Shakuni or Duryodhan. Called her a wh0re, asked her to be made a concubine for Dury (something of this sort) and he was the one who suggested disrobing her.

His kingdom was the hub of sdx trafficking, he offered his wife to anyone who could offer him information on Arjun.

Moreover, he spent his entire life trying to prove himself better than Arjun when Arjun did NOTHING to offend him personally.

And you think he was not as adharmi as dury?

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

Karna was not at all as adharmi as Dury 😳

Who's blaming Duryodhan? Their friendship was an equal one with genuine respect.

Ofcourse he was. As adharmi as duryodhan an equal partner in all of duryodhan s crime. The example is their all over the epic so many citations.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

IE: Panchali. If we really consider Krishna ACTUALLY made that offer, that literally ruins all the good wishes Krishna bore for Panchali because she isn't a freaking object to be shared with the sixth brother. And even basic versions of epic will tell you Krishna cared more about Panchali than Karna. 🤣

Krishna would have killed him even before he so much as raised his eyes to look at krishnaa. 😈

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

So what exactly could Krishna do to him if he would've switched sides?

And then what was the reason behind Krishna making that offer in the first place?

If he would switch sides, Krishna could easily have him killed in the war. It was easy for him to manipulate Duryodhan too and do you think Drona and Bhishma would not fight Karna if he fought in Pandavas side and defeat him?

He made the offer so that Karna's strength of presence of mind get destroyed. It's a clear instance of manipulation. Also, he clearly set the scene of Karna deciding not to harm YBNS. Besides, he hoped this would make him weaker and he would think twice before fighting Arjun because Arjun didn't know about this, Karna did. However it didn't work because Karna did enough, participated in Abhi Vadh and Ghatothkach vadh as well.

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Krishna would have killed him even before he so much as raised his eyes to look at krishnaa. 😈

I really don't get how people think Krishna was actually offering Panchali like a thali of sweets to Karna out of all people, the man who suggested disrobing her in open court. And we really think Panchali would be okay with this nonsense?

Also, please explain how KARNA can ever be in line to be the heir to the KURU throne when he was born before marriage. Kids via niyog after marriage is considered to be of that lineage. How is KARNA coming before Yudhishthir, can anyone please explain this.

Originally posted by: Mannmohanaa

So what exactly could Krishna do to him if he would've switched sides?

And then what was the reason behind Krishna making that offer in the first place?

Kill him plain and simple. The moment karna would have accepted the offer krishna would have killed him like he killed shishupal. Even before he so much as raised his eyes to look at krishnaa.(panchali) 😈

That offer was nothing but manipulation to weaken his resolve and i think it worked very well considering how karna went ahead gave a promise to nok kill YBNS - yudhishtra being the king whose death would have sealed the faith of the war