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Posted: 5 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: nushy1995

Quite an interesting take! 👍🏼 I agree, apart from a handful shows which I actually found to be better than American, we can't compare ITV with Western.


But I think it's mostly because here the writers tend to go overboard with masculinity which unfortunately comes only in the form of physical or verbal abuse. But in American, even though there are douchbags, heroines know how to tackle them.


Otherwise, let's face it, properly layered or unilayered but a genuinely good guy in handful in American shows too. Can't say about Korean though as I don't watch it.


Coming to similarities between Ansh and Aman, I do agree with you that there was no difference between the duo when they asked their significant others to leave the house.


But even then, I wouldn't compare them to be the same.


Basic reason in a span of 9-10 years (Serial timeline) and 409 Episodes, Ansh questioned Piya only once and when they got reunited, he was remorseful, mentioned multiple times how wrong he was and actually proved it.


Aman never did that. We saw him repenting once when Roshni died for the first time and then again this sacrifice drama where he died multiple times. Even if he had shown remorse, he couldn't stay true to his own promise and kept insulting Roshni including her family.


Ansh kept it strictly personal with Piya. Even when he thought Pari was Piya's daughter from 2nd marriage, he ensured her safety first and then jumped into the jeep where Adi was and later made sure Piya got out first and then jumped.


I know I sound like a blind fan and who knows, may be I am. But character development is a huge thing. You and I both are DeLena fans. We know how many times Damon screwed up yet, we cheered for the bad guy because he had progression.


Throughout their journey, Ansh did one fatal mistake. Even when I hated him to core, I had to forgive him because he had evolved. He learned from his mistake and was repentent. So how can I compare him with Aman?


As far as Bhasmika is concerned, she was a proper villain and I don't even consider her as a third angle. Ansh met her formally and in normal world, people do move on. We see that in American shows too, even if the protagonists solve their issues later. Didn't Elena date Liam when she erased Damon's memories? So why hung up on Bhasmika who was introduced to him through family. It's not that he was smitten by her and like a lot of other MLs went on dates with her and promised a future. He was honest from the beginning that he was getting married for his son and without his approval, he would back out.


It's not that he was dancing in pubs and blasted Nishan't office occasionally just because he THOUGHT Piya got married and MOVED ON. Don't tell me he was powerless because let's face it, once you decide to get rogue, it doesn't really matter how you will manage.


About wanting Piya back as Adi's mother, I would rather be happy if they had gone that way. I genuinely wanted Piya to get married to someone else but cordial relationship between parents is also necessary for kids. So what if Ansh needed the mother of his child? A person who is over his past but ready to contact his ex and stay cordial for his kid would always be superior to me than someone who would boast of his capability but wouldn't contact his ex for ego.


Unfortunately, the makers did half way as he returned when Ved mata said Piya got married.


I am not really an ardent Ansh fan. Ask Madhura, half the time she feels I need excuses to roast Ansh! 😛 But that doesn't mean I would compare him with the great Aman Junaid Khan over his one mistake.


As far as Piya is concerned, she had been strong since her introduction till the last episode. Power isn't a fact here. Yes, she went to CRYBABY MODE when Mo first got released but even before that, she wouldn't take anyone's crap, including Ansh. Yes, after getting in hang of her powers she became a pro. But just power didn't make her strong. And if it's needed to show someone in sexy avatar to show power, then it's makers and a certain set of audiences' problem. In that sense, even Roshni is Ayana. Who stops her from taking Aman's class?


My last point is, definitely the focused on Mo way too much and PiyAnsh were in background a lot of times. But growth and development is something different. Otherwise in Season format we get generally 20+ episodes. So it's not possible that PiyAnsh got saved only because due to Mo, they didn't get SS. Except that super forced leap, they were always together.


To ruin a character, you need 1/3 of SS that they got here.


Phew! If Alisha sees this, she'll say I have written yet another love-letter in PiyAnsh's defense. 🤪


But what I believe to be true, I'll always support that.


Even if they had copied Nazar, they could still make the duo lovable. There have been adaptations which were praised more than the original only because of the character's arc and other things.


Nazar is not the best; in many people's standard it may be worst but Ansh can never be compared to Aman. Otherwise, we can always agree to disagree.


Nushy, a Fantastic post! You have summed everything brilliantly. Ansh definitely can't be compared to others. Even Pia and as we discussed, Piansh had a whole journey, communication and a depth. Won't write more, as don't want to turn in an essay.

On my reference, definitely you aren't and same goes with Pia for me. But then we have always called them awesome when they were and roasted them, when they did mistakes. Both are equal, and as I always said inspite of the mess, we have literally loved Piansh journey and detailing, small things, shades. They never had those big heavy dialogues but a depth.

Edited by Madhura.. - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: Madhura..


Nushy, a Fantastic post! You have summed everything brilliantly. Ansh definitely can't be compared to others. Even Pia and as we discussed, Piansh had a whole journey, communication and a depth. Won't write more, as don't want to turn in an essay.

That's true! 😆


Our essay writing capability can be seen in our favorite forums! I think my mom would faint if she saw my posts here! 🤣

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Posted: 5 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: nushy1995

That's true! 😆


Our essay writing capability can be seen in our favorite forums! I think my mom would faint if she saw my posts here! 🤣


😆

True and I edited my post still, saw my reference.

Lol, definitely! Even my mom would..

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Posted: 5 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Madhura..

On my reference, definitely you aren't and same goes with Pia for me. But then we have always called them awesome when they were and roasted them, when they did mistakes. Both are equal, and as I always said inspite of the mess, we have literally loved Piansh journey and detailing, small things, shades. They never had those big heavy dialogues but a depth.

Exactly! Because even in real life, people screw up. Hell, I am sure some of us have screwed up big times in our past. But ultimately what matters is if you can learn from it and evolve.


They never really had Bhari (Heavy) dialogues but the simple ones would tear me down. That's the thing I love in couples.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: nushy1995

Exactly! Because even in real life, people screw up. Hell, I am sure some of us have screwed up big times in our past. But ultimately what matters is if you can learn from it and evolve.


They never really had Bhari (Heavy) dialogues but the simple ones would tear me down. That's the thing I love in couples.


Totally! Of course we have, and that makes us flawed and human. Yes, that's the thing.

Same!! Even I do love that.

How's Ramadan going for you?

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Posted: 5 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: Madhura..


Totally! Of course we have, and that makes us flawed and human. Yes, that's the thing.

Same!! Even I do love that.

How's Ramadan going for you?

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So far, Ramadan is going great! 😊

How are you doing?

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Posted: 5 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: Madhura..

Actually we don't have anything in common, but we keep giving references and discussing topics.

Nikki and me recently have Byomkesh Bakshi in common. CID too but we haven't discussed that

It's more like, we discuss or roast a scene we liked, character arcs or something.


cool then i can try that

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Posted: 5 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: nushy1995

Quite an interesting take! 👍🏼 I agree, apart from a handful shows which I actually found to be better than American, we can't compare ITV with Western.


But I think it's mostly because here the writers tend to go overboard with masculinity which unfortunately comes only in the form of physical or verbal abuse. But in American, even though there are douchbags, heroines know how to tackle them.


Otherwise, let's face it, properly layered or unilayered but a genuinely good guy in handful in American shows too. Can't say about Korean though as I don't watch it.


Coming to similarities between Ansh and Aman, I do agree with you that there was no difference between the duo when they asked their significant others to leave the house.


But even then, I wouldn't compare them to be the same.


Basic reason in a span of 9-10 years (Serial timeline) and 409 Episodes, Ansh questioned Piya only once and when they got reunited, he was remorseful, mentioned multiple times how wrong he was and actually proved it.


Aman never did that. We saw him repenting once when Roshni died for the first time and then again this sacrifice drama where he died multiple times. Even if he had shown remorse, he couldn't stay true to his own promise and kept insulting Roshni including her family.


Ansh kept it strictly personal with Piya. Even when he thought Pari was Piya's daughter from 2nd marriage, he ensured her safety first and then jumped into the jeep where Adi was and later made sure Piya got out first and then jumped.


I know I sound like a blind fan and who knows, may be I am. But character development is a huge thing. You and I both are DeLena fans. We know how many times Damon screwed up yet, we cheered for the bad guy because he had progression.


Throughout their journey, Ansh did one fatal mistake. Even when I hated him to core, I had to forgive him because he had evolved. He learned from his mistake and was repentent. So how can I compare him with Aman?


As far as Bhasmika is concerned, she was a proper villain and I don't even consider her as a third angle. Ansh met her formally and in normal world, people do move on. We see that in American shows too, even if the protagonists solve their issues later. Didn't Elena date Liam when she erased Damon's memories? So why hung up on Bhasmika who was introduced to him through family. It's not that he was smitten by her and like a lot of other MLs went on dates with her and promised a future. He was honest from the beginning that he was getting married for his son and without his approval, he would back out.


It's not that he was dancing in pubs and blasted Nishan't office occasionally just because he THOUGHT Piya got married and MOVED ON. Don't tell me he was powerless because let's face it, once you decide to get rogue, it doesn't really matter how you will manage.


About wanting Piya back as Adi's mother, I would rather be happy if they had gone that way. I genuinely wanted Piya to get married to someone else but cordial relationship between parents is also necessary for kids. So what if Ansh needed the mother of his child? A person who is over his past but ready to contact his ex and stay cordial for his kid would always be superior to me than someone who would boast of his capability but wouldn't contact his ex for ego.


Unfortunately, the makers did half way as he returned when Ved mata said Piya got married.


I am not really an ardent Ansh fan. Ask Madhura, half the time she feels I need excuses to roast Ansh! 😛 But that doesn't mean I would compare him with the great Aman Junaid Khan over his one mistake.


As far as Piya is concerned, she had been strong since her introduction till the last episode. Power isn't a fact here. Yes, she went to CRYBABY MODE when Mo first got released but even before that, she wouldn't take anyone's crap, including Ansh. Yes, after getting in hang of her powers she became a pro. But just power didn't make her strong. And if it's needed to show someone in sexy avatar to show power, then it's makers and a certain set of audiences' problem. In that sense, even Roshni is Ayana. Who stops her from taking Aman's class?


My last point is, definitely the focused on Mo way too much and PiyAnsh were in background a lot of times. But growth and development is something different. Otherwise in Season format we get generally 20+ episodes. So it's not possible that PiyAnsh got saved only because due to Mo, they didn't get SS. Except that super forced leap, they were always together.


To ruin a character, you need 1/3 of SS that they got here.


Phew! If Alisha sees this, she'll say I have written yet another love-letter in PiyAnsh's defense. 🤪


But what I believe to be true, I'll always support that.


Even if they had copied Nazar, they could still make the duo lovable. There have been adaptations which were praised more than the original only because of the character's arc and other things.


Nazar is not the best; in many people's standard it may be worst but Ansh can never be compared to Aman. Otherwise, we can always agree to disagree.

How did I miss this post earlier???

Nushy... Awesome post. 👏 👏 👏

I agree completely with each and every thing that you pointed out.

The basic difference being that Ansh questioned Pia only once in the entire span of years and he was remorseful for that... And he did not do what Aman did. Neither did he go about blasting Nishant's house and office as you said nor did he insult Pia and her family.

Pia definitely went into a crybaby mode at certain instances but still she was headstrong and she wouldn't take anyone's crap.

And yes, Nazar may definitely not be the best but there is absolutely no comparison between Ansh and Aman...

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Posted: 5 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: Nikki_srk

How did I miss this post earlier???

Nushy... Awesome post. 👏 👏 👏

I agree completely with each and every thing that you pointed out.

The basic difference being that Ansh questioned Pia only once in the entire span of years and he was remorseful for that... And he did not do what Aman did. Neither did he go about blasting Nishant's house and office as you said nor did he insult Pia and her family.

Pia definitely went into a crybaby mode at certain instances but still she was headstrong and she wouldn't take anyone's crap.

And yes, Nazar may definitely not be the best but there is absolutely no comparison between Ansh and Aman...

Even I was thinking the same! Itna ghanghor ajeeb post dala aur mere bahen miss kar gayi, kaise!!! 😲 😲 😲


Jokes apart, 😆 I am not saying this to defend Ansh but a lot of my favorite heroes and heroines did questionable things at certain points. So the only thing that distinguishes this bunch is that they repented. Otherwise, wasn't Mukhi skeptical about Aru when they got marred or didn't Aru go overboard when she felt Sanvi might have a relationship with Mukhi?


It's about the whole journey at the end. 😳

Edited by nushy1995 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Even I was thinking the same! Itna ghanghor ajooba post dala aur mere bahen miss kar gayi, kaise!!! 😲 😲 😲

Probably because my mind was engrossed in roasting Ved?? 😆

Jokes apart... I guess I missed that reply as I had not opened Nazar forum today. I was on the CID forum when I saw the notification of my post being quoted. To bas wahin se open karke reply kar diya without checking the forum...


Jokes apart, I am not saying this to defend Ansh but a lot of my favorite heroes and heroines did questionable things at certain points. So the only thing that distinguishes this bunch is that they repented. Otherwise, wasn't Mukhi skeptical about Aru when they got marred or didn't Aru go overboard when she felt Sanvi might have a relationship with Mukhi?

It's about the whole journey at the end. 😳

I agree... It's about the whole journey at the end.

Definitely... Many of the ML's have done a lot of questionable things at certain points. And the thing which distinguishes them is that they repented for that and did not repeat it.

Yes, Mukhi Ji was indeed skeptical about Aru when they got married. And even Aru went overboard when she was feeling that Saanvi might be having a relationship with Mukhi Ji.

So, as you said, ultimately it is the entire journey that matters and that how much they evolved during that journey...whether their relation as well as they themselves evolved or are stagnant at one point only is the issue.

Edited by Nikki_srk - 5 years ago

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