Swarg part an interpolation? - Page 2

How text in original language can be interpolated

Mahabharata in Sanskrit language it is written only original writer vedyas so no question of interpolation

And if this going to swarg written in Sanskrit is written is interpolation that means whole Mahabharata written in Sanskrit is, can be interpolated?

Then where is original Mahabharata text if text in Sanskrit also consider as interpolated?

We called Sanskrit a dev vani

All Durga saptshati geeta Vishnu 1000 name ganesh moksh everything is written in Sanskrit text that means all these are interpolated?

As I told geeta press is reliable source it doesn't not published interpolated part

Originally posted by: surabhi01

How text in original language can be interpolated

Mahabharata in Sanskrit language it is written only original writer vedyas so no question of interpolation

And if this going to swarg written in Sanskrit is written is interpolation that means whole Mahabharata written in Sanskrit is, can be interpolated?

Then where is original Mahabharata text if text in Sanskrit also consider as interpolated?

Please read the entire response that I wrote. Multiple shlokas in Sanskrit are later additions which historians can judge by the language used. That exactly is the interpolation people discuss. Not that some translaters added XYZ lines on their own

And as it is the Mahabharata that we have today isn't the Vyasa's Jaya.

During the reign of Janmayey Vyas Rishi asked his disciple Vaishampayan to narrate the story of his ancestors at his Nagmedh Yagya. The people there listened it very carefully, one among them was Suta Utshrawa a renowned Kathavachak of his time. He then went to the Ashram of Rishi Shushan/Shaunak. The rishis there asked him about the Nagmedh Yagya. He told about it and told them that Vaishampayan had narrated the Itihas of the ancestors of Janmayey. They asked him narrate it and he started with the Itihas.

Post the Rishis of the Ashrams started passing on this Itihas to their students generation by generation orally. This oral epic was complied into book on Patras around 300BC to 300AD. That is the one we have. In years of oral transmission many extra items would have gotten added and even if not this was a third hand narration even to start with.

Who is doubting the credibility of Geeta press?

As I told interpolation hasn't happened in last 100 years that Geeta press would know which part is interpolated and which isn't when even historians have no consensus about it!

Rest I know you would believe what you believe

Originally posted by: surabhi01

How text in original language can be interpolated

Mahabharata in Sanskrit language it is written only original writer vedyas so no question of interpolation

And if this going to swarg written in Sanskrit is written is interpolation that means whole Mahabharata written in Sanskrit is, can be interpolated?

Then where is original Mahabharata text if text in Sanskrit also consider as interpolated?

We called Sanskrit a dev vani

All Durga saptshati geeta Vishnu 1000 name ganesh moksh everything is written in Sanskrit text that means all these are interpolated?

Perhaps you don't understand the idea of interpolation.

Sanskrit wasn't exclusive to Ved Vyasa. Others spoke it before him and for centuries after him. Some were contemporaries of the characters. They added bits according to their points of view. Some came later and heard/read the core story and added their own bits. The later bits (added by both contemporaries and readers) are called interpolations. Some interpolations happened much, much later, with Buddhists and Muslims contributing. And yes, they all knew Sanskrit. There is even a Persian version of Mahabharata.

The current written versions in Sanskrit available from which Geeta Press has put forth a translation also has interpolations.

The Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute put in decades of research in deciding which was interpolation and which likely original. Their go to versions were Kashmiri and Nepali because those places were less impacted by invaders.

If you go to this link https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil_elib/Suk933__Sukthankar_ProlegomenaMBh1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiUvM-h34bpAhXTQs0KHdq1CJ8QFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0uc1ayjBTtp237uLsATUAx

you can read through Prologmena to understand BORI's process.

Even with BORI's work, we can assume there are still interpolations because short of finding a hidden manuscript which can be carbon dated to the Iron Age, there is no way to be sure.

Look like u did not read introduction part of geeta press Mahabharata

They say that scholarship of pune university are working hard for many years and amending text from time to time

They have also said it cannot be said that every thing is written is true but scholars of pune university doing hard work in research and amending text

And I do understand interpolated

It means to insert something new in between

And who has spoke Mahabharata before Mahabharata

As far I know that it is very vyas dictating Mahabharata and Lord ganesh is writing

Some where in Uttarakhand cave

And ganesh give conditions to vedvyas that if u stop dictating then I will vanish

And ved vyas give condition to ganesh that he will not write Mahabharata without understanding it

Apart from ved vyas and ganesh who has written Mahabharata

Exactly so the Geeta press themselves accepted that not everything is correct. There might be a lot of interpolations in their current text too.

The best research work is being carried out by BORI but Geeta press is doing a great work as well, however they would definitely still have a lot of interpolations. So just a mention in Geeta press doesn't mean the show can't be an interpolation

Ved Vyas had written Jaya not Mahabharata

Read that it clearly tell that ved vyas has written Mahabharata in 600000 lakh verse and these verse at that divided into different edition

Out of 600000 version 300000 lakh verse is narrated by narad muni in devlok

300000 lakh is first edition

Then second edition contains 150000 verse out of 600000 which was narrated to pitralok and so on

I will suggest to read introduction part of geeta press

Jaya is core portion of Mahabharata

If ved vyas has not dictate Mahabharata . I am not saying he has written Mahabharata he actually not has not written but instead he was dictating to Lord ganesh

But apart from ved vyas and Lord ganesh who has written and dictator Mahabharata

And yes they said not everything is true but they also said scholar of pune university are amending text through their hard work research since many years

Originally posted by: surabhi01

Jaya is core portion of Mahabharata

If ved vyas has not dictate Mahabharata . I am not saying he has written Mahabharata he actually not has not written but instead he was dictating to Lord ganesh

But apart from ved vyas and Lord ganesh who has written and dictator Mahabharata

And yes they said not everything is true but they also said scholar of pune university are amending text through their hard work research since many years

Jaya is the core of Mahabharata which was written by Ganesh ji (Vyas narration) but we do not have it now

Who other wrote it, I have already replied to you in my previous post, please read that. There is a reason why every chapter starts with Vaishampayan narrates. Vyas ji wouldn't say that to Ganesh ji.

Abd even in that version many additions substraction have been made.

I know they are researching but their research is not over so there would definitely be many interpolations in it, just because it's mentioned in Geeta press doesn't mean it's not an interpolation

The most thorough research is being done by BORI and even then agree that theirs might have many Interpolation. Geeta press is miles away. I didn't disagree when you said that Geeta press would be more reliable to KMG since he translated all that was available in the Sanskrit epic. But it is still not correct to the dot especially when even the documented epic we have (even it has all the items appropriately,) is a third hand narration Vaishampayan to Utshrawa, Utshrawa to Rishi Shushan/Shaunak and Rishis to their disciples followed by generations of oral transmission

Shree madh bhagwat was narrated by son of vedvyas to parikshit and though u find name of son of vedvyas instead of vedvyas in shreemadh bhagwat it doesn't not mean son of vedvyas has wrote

Shree madh was written by vedvyas

Similarly though vaishampayne narrating Mahabharata story to janmeye it doesn't not mean it is written by pupil of ved vyas ( vaishampayne was pupil of ved vyas) Mahabharata is dictate by ved vyas and written by ganesh only

If teacher narrated story in class that doesn't not mean teachers has become writer

Here pupil vaishampayne of ved vyas telling Mahabharata story ( which he reciieve from vedvyas) as heritage to janemeye

U can confirm that whether vedvyas was not original composer of Mahabharata are not from anywhere

If u find any solid proof that Mahabharata is not written by ved vyas he only written jaya part then u can surely show me

And geeta press didn't not mention about Bori Institute. It talk only about pune scholarship

I prefer gita press because that they don't add any thing in middle intentionally they do rearch it if they find new

Geeta main purpose is text original as far as possible and even they apologize to readders if there is any mistake

I have seen that in other books that they know this information is not true but still they don't remove fake information

And here if I say that that swarg arohan is not interpolated it means I want to say it is not added in middle but it is already there since from beginning 5000 years ago because at that dwapar yug times generally speak uin Sanskrit language it is in tv they are showing they are talking in Hindi but in reality they use to speak in Sanskrit language that is why believe Mahabharata swarg arohan because it verse available in Sanskrit and Sanskrit was common langage at dwapar yug time in Sanskrit and all Hindu religious book except ram chatrimanas compose in Sanskrit language only by original writer

And I say it is not interpolated as it is because it is written in Sanskrit language and to interpolated text in Sanskrit language is very difficult . It is very difficult to interpolated text in Sanskrit language as its grammar vocabulary is so difficult

There are many instances throughout the epic which can quoted to show that she loved bhim forget bhim there are many instances for yudhishtra too. Do i don't think it can concluded that whom she loved the most or who loved her the most

I personally would have preferred that she and Krishna would have ended up together but that s what i want and is not a fact. So yeah.