Something feels odd about the flashbacks - Page 4

Originally posted by: HeartQuake

What makes you think or say MJ obsessed with her ?? He was sleeping with her, that's it . And for the sake of it , he lied as much as he had to and roped in his friends on the lie too so that it looks convincing. Manvi is unlikely his first or last victim ( remember the old healed scars on his wrists of previous cut marks. They were not self inflicted wound of a heart broken man we know that. So what are they ?? Likely, the whole cut-wrist , get-the-naive new office girl-convinced , sleep with her - thing had been going on since a long time. There's a pattern to it. ) of MJ.

He saw nothing special in her. He was not wasting any considerable time and energy on her that can show his special interest her. He did only as much as is needed to keep the affair a secret so to convince her to keep it all a secret or else his image and reputation will be tarnished.

However, he must have been using protection while sleeping around because that's basic and of course any one would do that so that no additional trouble springs up . But no contraceptive is absolutely full proof or may be in an unguarded moment it happened without any protection.

Either way long story short , Manvi becomes pregnant. Just imagine how mad he must've been when he found out because his image is now in legit trouble. Manvi can go to court , claim paternity test and sue the hell out of him. His original plan must've been to dump her once he's bored of her or he gets a new office virgin. But now he can't do that. He has to be cautious. In his diabolical mind , it has to be played just right. He can not dump her with his baby kicking in her womb. It needs to be aborted for him to be in safe zone again. He can either do that by tricking her into an abortion, which is what any smart person would try with so much at stake because the other option, literally forcing her to get rid of the baby is messy and in that case , loose ends can not be kept and Manvi will have to be killed off . Now even mafias don't go for that messy road unless and until absolutely necessary. So he played it cool , convincing her that the baby is welcome and played the role of excited expectant daddy with her so that he can take her to Diya easily and get the abortion done. Once the baby is no more , Manvi could never prove it was MJ's to begin with. But it didn't quite work out as planned and she got suspicious and ran away.

So remains the last and I daresay his least favorite option, the messy way. Kill them off. He tried to do just that.

Does that answer all your questions??

👍🏼 MJ tricking maya to abort the child was his safest and cleanest option after initially making her believe he was happy about the child. The going all out and showing his monster side by trying to kill pregnant manvi was his last option as you said, because manvi had not gotten to know his reality before him successfully being able to abort the child. Him decorating the baby room wasn't for fun, it was precautionary measure to keep her faith in him till he managed to kill the child.

Originally posted by: spnfan

I have seen a kdrama were a guy kills people who raped and murdered a girl he liked in highschool.. there were supposed to be 7 guys and at the end its revealed in the court that the 7th guy was none other that him.. he used to be a very quite guy and secretly like the girl but wasnt strong enough to save her when his friends raped her. The incident mentally disturbed into a level were his brain completely shutdown the part were he himself was involved in the crime and years later he starts killing all his friends one by one..

It would been really good if maya has the same problem but then beyhadh is an indian tv soap and the creativity of itv is below 0..

That's interesting and again shows how complex the human brain and emotions can be.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

Nope, that cut-writ routine was way too unbelievable. Nobody goes through so much drama for a trivial nobody.

I didnt say he was obsessed with her, I said that the way he made such an elaborate charade seems unlikely for somebody of MJ's stature. In real life, no top level businessman would have so much time for a random nobody.

Hope you got it.

There's nothing hard to believe that a rich and wealthy man would invest time in playing around with a girl who is of lower stature than him to keep his ego satisfied. People like him often do prey on the weak, rather than take on people at their level, as despite how powerful they think they are, they are still conscious of certain consequences, especially image/ reputation-conscious MJ, who knows he can easily get his way with and then cover up his deeds when the person he has wronged his less well-off and powerful than him, but if he took on someone at his own level of stature, the risk and consequences are higher. It's an assumption only that no top businessman would use their time to ruin and harm someone of lower stature than themselves.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

I didnt understand. If he merely 'failed to save her', then how come he was himself involved as well? I didnt get that part of the synopsis.

From what I gathered of the synopsis was that the guy was unable to stop his friends from raping the girl he liked, which meant that he became a silent spectator to her rape and murder, making him equally a culprit for the crime. The trauma and guilt of the incident had a major impact psychologically on him, and the defense mechanism of his brain distorted his memory and view of the incident that his brain refused to let him recall that he was equally to blame and only saw the others as the rapists/ murderers rather than himself too.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

He's an egomaniac, but is he the "sadistic psychopath" type? He is the kind of man who would go to any lengths to get what he wanted. But would he torture somebody just for fun? I doubt.

Also, returning the flowers doesn't seem to be that big of a slight. But maybe you and others perceive it that way.

LOL none of us are egomaniacs here to fully comprehend the likes of MJ, but from all the crime documentaries and real life crimes I have seen or heard, a person with psychopathic, sociopathic or narcissistic personality traits are not merely satisfied with material gains and personal success, but often have twisted emotions and fantasies that they find hard not to entertain and nurture. MJ used his power and position to be able to ruin a girl of lower stature of him knowing he could get away with it. Not too hard to fathom that this is like some sport/ hobbie/ pass-time for him.

Originally posted by: sammy17

There's nothing hard to believe that a rich and wealthy man would invest time in playing around with a girl who is of lower stature than him to keep his ego satisfied. People like him often do prey on the weak, rather than take on people at their level, as despite how powerful they think they are, they are still conscious of certain consequences, especially image/ reputation-conscious MJ, who knows he can easily get his way with and then cover up his deeds when the person he has wronged his less well-off and powerful than him, but if he took on someone at his own level of stature, the risk and consequences are higher. It's an assumption only that no top businessman would use their time to ruin and harm someone of lower stature than themselves.

You're not getting it. Rich prey on weaker ones all the damn time, but for their own benefits.

Maya was of no special interest to MJ. She was an average-looking girl with a shy and timid nature. A man like MJ would be bored with someone like her. From what I know of psychology, folks like MJ love challenges. They like a victim who can prove hard to tame. Maya was careful initially, wary of his flowers and all. But she got hoodwinked pretty quickly and readily jumped into an affair with him.

She was pretty easy, actually. That's the reason people called her dumb.

The main gripe that I have is with the wrist-cutting drama. It looked so darn childish. Such antics suit college studs (jerks), not a 50-something refined business tycoon that MJ is. That's why I'm saying that the CVs should have made it a bit more believable.

That's my opinion. But you are welcome to feel differently.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

What I mean is, if MJ hated Maanvi so much, then how did she get into the Roy mansion and meet Antara? (Initial flashbacks)

I think Maya is schizophrenic and is imagining some of the story in her own head.

Tell me something guys, would any 40+ rich businessman waste so much time and energy on a twenty-something nobody? Especially a suave, smooth-talking man like MJ? He'd simply move on to the next target.

Something feels off about the whole back story. No normal person, no matter how egoist, would put so much time and energy into trapping someone simply because she returned flowers. Utter nonsense.

First - MJ didn't hate Maanvi, infact he felt no emotion towards her. He just treated her like a thing/object.

Second - You said "no normal person", I think the its obvious that MJ isn't normal. There is something wrong with him, which is why his mother was so hell bent on drinking 24/7.

Third- I don't think maya is imagining this. Why did Diya express to Anu's dad that if his daughter find out what he did in the past his daughter would not even look at him. This obviously means that these people did wrong by this girl.

Originally posted by: sammy17

👍🏼 MJ tricking maya to abort the child was his safest and cleanest option after initially making her believe he was happy about the child. The going all out and showing his monster side by trying to kill pregnant manvi was his last option as you said, because manvi had not gotten to know his reality before him successfully being able to abort the child. Him decorating the baby room wasn't for fun, it was precautionary measure to keep her faith in him till he managed to kill the child.

EXACTLY.

@TM I fully understand why you finding it "unbelievable".

Since you "hate" Maya, you feel nothing special about her for MJ to run after. But remember not everyone thinks alike.

Most probably Manvi was not MJ's only hidden affair like some one mentioned in this thread. He might have abused many innocent girls like Manvi. Its his "HABIT" to attain girls he likes in his first sight.

Also remember MJ was interested in Manvi to begin with, hence he sent her flowers. But since Manvi returned the flowers he came up with a new plan in trapping Manvi. He wanted to attain her anyhow. Thats it.

MJ posseses: Rich + Handsome + Power + Arrogance + Narchist + Urge to Control everyone = EGO

A big fat ego can make a person do things that are unfathomable.

Originally posted by: sammy17

LOL none of us are egomaniacs here to fully comprehend the likes of MJ, but from all the crime documentaries and real life crimes I have seen or heard, a person with psychopathic, sociopathic or narcissistic personality traits are not merely satisfied with material gains and personal success, but often have twisted emotions and fantasies that they find hard not to entertain and nurture. MJ used his power and position to be able to ruin a girl of lower stature of him knowing he could get away with it. Not too hard to fathom that this is like some sport/ hobbie/ pass-time for him.

None of us are rich megalomaniacs to fully understand MJ.

According to me, Manvi is very pretty. MJ was attracted to her beauty and thought he could have quick fling with her. She just pissed him off by returning the flowers because he is used to women falling at his feet. from then, Manvi became a challenge and he wanted to teach her a lesson. He probably did this to other girls and it is a "regular thing for him." then of course, things spiraled out of control after she got pregnant.