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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: najma123

Idk how far the Subhadra angle would fit in here. Idk if Ananya is actually a Subhadra or someone else. Like I can't picture her to that extent. Anyway, my projection of MB to BeyHadh right now is restricted to Maya alone. Idk how far the Roys play a part and we don't know which angle they are played from. MJ is no Dhritarashtra. So with time, we'll know which characters are the pieces here. I can relate this more to chess though. It's a pity they don't have chess symbolism in the show. Chess symbolism is crazy. 😆


Chess symbolism would make this so easy. We would have the king, queen, pawns, knights, elephants, horses, the moves, the counter moves, the mind games, everything. But CVs probably knew that. Hence the tie-in to MB instead, which is so much more convoluted and has so many facets and many people interpret the same situation differently. Not to mention that people like me who have very basic knowledge of it. I would probably fail a MB quiz after the first or second level of difficulty. 😆

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Minionite


Chess symbolism would make this so easy. We would have the king, queen, pawns, knights, elephants, horses, the moves, the counter moves, the mind games, everything. But CVs probably knew that. Hence the tie-in to MB instead, which is so much more convoluted and has so many facets and many people interpret the same situation differently. Not to mention that people like me who have very basic knowledge of it. I would probably fail a MB quiz after the first or second level of difficulty. 😆

I disagree there. Chess symbolism seems pretty simple and it is often termed a platitude, but it's crazy. And it's well explored by most people. But, it would have been fun to watch. That said, MB symbolism makes it more complex coz of the interpretation of right and wrong, of what is dharm and what is adharm.
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Posted: 5 years ago

Dec 11th - The Three Pillars

Fight Club - Rudra may have been getting beaten, but somewhere Maya didn't want that to happen. Her comment to use MJ's money to save his company wasn't just a taunt. If Maya wanted, she could have kept quiet, let Rudra lose, and then walk away. But Maya needs Rudra for her plan to be a success. And somewhere even she cares if someone is getting physically pained. Rudra was the one getting beaten, but Maya was remembering her pain and suffering. She was remembering herself getting hurt in the same way Rudra was getting hurt. And in the end, that won out. She didn't have to call out "stop" with 10 seconds left. Rudra was willing to take the beating for those last 10 seconds as well. Anything to beat MJ. But like I said, Maya saw herself in Rudra, her pain and torture in his pain and torture, and her resolve in him. These two are more alike than different. And that's why Maya stopped the fight. She knew Rudra could take the last few seconds as well, but, at the same time, she had to have had an inkling that Rudra would distance himself from her and she needs him to fulfill her revenge.

The yes - Maya was always going to say yes. The whole point of the 3 days was to test how far Rudra was willing to go to beat MJ and to also test Rudra and learn more about him. It was also to begin to shape him into the weapon that Maya needs. Without realizing it, Rudra has changed with these challenges.

Wins and losses - Both Maya and Rudra are celebrating that they won and the other person lost, but in a way they've both won. Rudra's main challenge was to get an investor who wasn't MJ. He considered getting MJ, his loss. Rudra won. His investor is Maya Jaisingh, not Mrityunjoy Roy. Coincidentally (or maybe not) Maya Jaisingh shortens to MJ as well. Maya's main challenge was to get Rishi and Rudra to her side. She won with Rishi already and is making her moves well with Rudra. She won as well. As this battle progresses, both of them will win together and lose together because their goals will be different. But if they come together, then they can win and celebrate together.

Self-respect - The one question that Rudra keeps questioning. Why? Because in the end it all comes down to self-respect for him. Why does someone who has all the money she needs want to do such crazy tasks? Why does she decide what happens to him? Why does she play with his life? Why? This question is going to be become pertinent later. Because as Rudra's self-respect takes a hit, he'll want to know why.

MJ's politics - MJ is trying to be so clever by suggesting that he just cares for them and that he just wants to be sure that no one takes advantage of them and blah blah blah. But Ananya is smarter than MJ gives her credit for and more resolute as well. She puts her friendship with Rudra above everything and until Rudra doesn't want, she'll never say a word. And she's smarter than MJ gives her credit for because she has the business sense as well. She isn't just doing this as timepass. She knows how to work.

The three pillars - Here Maya doesn't just reveal that she needs Rudra, but also the three pillars on which their relationship will stand: loyalty, commitment, and passion.

The first part - Maya needs Rudra. She didn't need to explain herself to Rudra. But more than Rudra needing her, she needs him to fulfill her plan. Rudra just needs an investor who isn't MJ. If not Maya, he'll search for someone else. His need is fulfilled. But Maya cannot replace Rudra with anyone else. She can only do this with Rudra. And Rudra isn't so easy to get. He has a mind of his own. He has a self-respect that is above even himself. He is smart, strong-headed, and a go-getter. He is not someone's puppet. Rishi is the puppet (easily controlled), but Rudra is the fish. The one who tries to fight even as the net closes around it and brings it out of the water. Maya has drawn a net around him, but he will keep fighting the net as long as he can.

The second part - the three pillars. These are key pillars. Loyalty - how loyal is Rudra to his goal, to himself, to those around him. Committed - how committed is Rudra when he takes on a challenge, when he sets himself a goal, when he starts down a path. Passion - how passionate is Rudra about those around him, about himself, about his life, about his goals, about his ambitions. Each test actually tested all 3 pillars, not just one. And in the process, Maya learnt a lot about Rudra. Rudra passed each test with flying colours. He's loyal, committed, and passionate. In a way, she also tested Rishi on all 3 pillars as well and he failed each one. He isn't loyal, committed, or passionate. Rishi cares only about himself and when push comes to shove, he'll leave Maya hanging to save his own hide.

The three pillars remind me about my company and the session we had with our CEO on the values of our company. He said something in that session that resonated with me and that actually applies here. He had said: Values aren't something that you can just pick up and shove in your pocket to use when necessary. They are a part of your core. No matter what happens they will not leave you. Even in tough times you will always go back to your values consciously or unconsciously. So when you choose to do anything, remember that your values are guiding you. That's exactly what is happening here. Rudra is guided by his values and the 3 pillars are a key part of his values. Consciously or unconsciously, every decision he made in the past 3 days were guided by those values. And they tie in with Maya's values, which again suggests that both are so similar to each other. The same side of a coin.

The no-choice choice - Finally, the choice. Technically there is no choice. The way Maya framed it, Rudra has no option but to take Maya as an investor.

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Posted: 5 years ago

Honestly, today whatever you said, is quite similar to what I also wrote. So I will not say much. But great post Shreya👏. Well written and clear

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Posted: 5 years ago

Just started watching the show this week and binge watched all the episodes till now. I landed up here in the forum and saw this thread. I must say Shreya I loved all your symbolism posts till now and it's interesting to read so many different takes and symbolisms from you and others too. 👏

Really a wonderful thread hope to contribute something from my end in future episodes.

Till the time I can pen down something reasonable I'll rather enjoy reading the posts here. They're just brilliant 👏

Thanks for sharing your amazing thoughts Shreya and everyone else.🤗


Manisha

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: Minionite

Dec 11th - The Three Pillars

Fight Club - Rudra may have been getting beaten, but somewhere Maya didn't want that to happen. Her comment to use MJ's money to save his company wasn't just a taunt. If Maya wanted, she could have kept quiet, let Rudra lose, and then walk away. But Maya needs Rudra for her plan to be a success. And somewhere even she cares if someone is getting physically pained. Rudra was the one getting beaten, but Maya was remembering her pain and suffering. She was remembering herself getting hurt in the same way Rudra was getting hurt. And in the end, that won out. She didn't have to call out "stop" with 10 seconds left. Rudra was willing to take the beating for those last 10 seconds as well. Anything to beat MJ. But like I said, Maya saw herself in Rudra, her pain and torture in his pain and torture, and her resolve in him. These two are more alike than different. And that's why Maya stopped the fight. She knew Rudra could take the last few seconds as well, but, at the same time, she had to have had an inkling that Rudra would distance himself from her and she needs him to fulfill her revenge.

The yes - Maya was always going to say yes. The whole point of the 3 days was to test how far Rudra was willing to go to beat MJ and to also test Rudra and learn more about him. It was also to begin to shape him into the weapon that Maya needs. Without realizing it, Rudra has changed with these challenges.

Wins and losses - Both Maya and Rudra are celebrating that they won and the other person lost, but in a way they've both won. Rudra's main challenge was to get an investor who wasn't MJ. He considered getting MJ, his loss. Rudra won. His investor is Maya Jaisingh, not Mrityunjoy Roy. Coincidentally (or maybe not) Maya Jaisingh shortens to MJ as well. Maya's main challenge was to get Rishi and Rudra to her side. She won with Rishi already and is making her moves well with Rudra. She won as well. As this battle progresses, both of them will win together and lose together because their goals will be different. But if they come together, then they can win and celebrate together.

Self-respect - The one question that Rudra keeps questioning. Why? Because in the end it all comes down to self-respect for him. Why does someone who has all the money she needs want to do such crazy tasks? Why does she decide what happens to him? Why does she play with his life? Why? This question is going to be become pertinent later. Because as Rudra's self-respect takes a hit, he'll want to know why.

MJ's politics - MJ is trying to be so clever by suggesting that he just cares for them and that he just wants to be sure that no one takes advantage of them and blah blah blah. But Ananya is smarter than MJ gives her credit for and more resolute as well. She puts her friendship with Rudra above everything and until Rudra doesn't want, she'll never say a word. And she's smarter than MJ gives her credit for because she has the business sense as well. She isn't just doing this as timepass. She knows how to work.

The three pillars - Here Maya doesn't just reveal that she needs Rudra, but also the three pillars on which their relationship will stand: loyalty, commitment, and passion.

The first part - Maya needs Rudra. She didn't need to explain herself to Rudra. But more than Rudra needing her, she needs him to fulfill her plan. Rudra just needs an investor who isn't MJ. If not Maya, he'll search for someone else. His need is fulfilled. But Maya cannot replace Rudra with anyone else. She can only do this with Rudra. And Rudra isn't so easy to get. He has a mind of his own. He has a self-respect that is above even himself. He is smart, strong-headed, and a go-getter. He is not someone's puppet. Rishi is the puppet (easily controlled), but Rudra is the fish. The one who tries to fight even as the net closes around it and brings it out of the water. Maya has drawn a net around him, but he will keep fighting the net as long as he can.

The second part - the three pillars. These are key pillars. Loyalty - how loyal is Rudra to his goal, to himself, to those around him. Committed - how committed is Rudra when he takes on a challenge, when he sets himself a goal, when he starts down a path. Passion - how passionate is Rudra about those around him, about himself, about his life, about his goals, about his ambitions. Each test actually tested all 3 pillars, not just one. And in the process, Maya learnt a lot about Rudra. Rudra passed each test with flying colours. He's loyal, committed, and passionate. In a way, she also tested Rishi on all 3 pillars as well and he failed each one. He isn't loyal, committed, or passionate. Rishi cares only about himself and when push comes to shove, he'll leave Maya hanging to save his own hide.

The three pillars remind me about my company and the session we had with our CEO on the values of our company. He said something in that session that resonated with me and that actually applies here. He had said: Values aren't something that you can just pick up and shove in your pocket to use when necessary. They are a part of your core. No matter what happens they will not leave you. Even in tough times you will always go back to your values consciously or unconsciously. So when you choose to do anything, remember that your values are guiding you. That's exactly what is happening here. Rudra is guided by his values and the 3 pillars are a key part of his values. Consciously or unconsciously, every decision he made in the past 3 days were guided by those values. And they tie in with Maya's values, which again suggests that both are so similar to each other. The same side of a coin.

The no-choice choice - Finally, the choice. Technically there is no choice. The way Maya framed it, Rudra has no option but to take Maya as an investor.


Well one thing we know is that Maya has been brutally hurt.. everything that happened with her has took away every small bit of her innocence and made her what she is today..

Rudra will stop her from going and sign and continue with the contract it looks like since maya is walking from the office again while the reporters are waiting..


Like u said Maya and Rudra both won.. but what does Maya mean when she says ur win is the beginning of ur loss.. What is rudra going to lose in this ? That's my bigger question.. but will it be easy for her.. Rishi is the only easy aspect of the plan.. But Rudra and MJ are not.. Rudra can still evaluate and question.. Will Maya some day let Rudra know what happened to her.. with all the subtle dialogue hints etc it does look like they might even fall in love at some point.. Maya said that once she is done with all the destruction, she will be happy.. so her going from dark hate and revenge back to being what she was and learn to love again can be only through Rudra.. goddess kali went on a destruction spree and only Shiva could calm her down to her real self by coming under her wrath ultimately..

Also as much as my reading and knowledge goes.. Pandavas were known to be the reincarnation of lord Shiva and draupadi as durga.. so the makers have taken the story hand in hand which is just so wonderful.


remember pandavas knowingly or unknowingly were the reason why draupadi faced humiliation and they could do nothing about it.. so has rudra been unknowingly associated to the whole past..


MJ is a master mind and portraying into kauravas.. If pandavas was 5 as powerful then kauravas were 100 as powerful.. slowly but well they r progressing to show his character.. he is not at all what he seems.. he is scheming and calculative to the core.. he can do anything to keep his sons under his thumb.. I mean for a business that rudra built on his own, MJ is hell bent on his son to be dependent on him..

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NamuVyas


Well one thing we know is that Maya has been brutally hurt.. everything that happened with her has took away every small bit of her innocence and made her what she is today..

Rudra will stop her from going and sign and continue with the contract it looks like since maya is walking from the office again while the reporters are waiting..


Like u said Maya and Rudra both won.. but what does Maya mean when she says ur win is the beginning of ur loss.. What is rudra going to lose in this ? That's my bigger question.. but will it be easy for her.. Rishi is the only easy aspect of the plan.. But Rudra and MJ are not.. Rudra can still evaluate and question.. Will Maya some day let Rudra know what happened to her.. with all the subtle dialogue hints etc it does look like they might even fall in love at some point.. Maya said that once she is done with all the destruction, she will be happy.. so her going from dark hate and revenge back to being what she was and learn to love again can be only through Rudra.. goddess kali went on a destruction spree and only Shiva could calm her down to her real self by coming under her wrath ultimately..

Also as much as my reading and knowledge goes.. Pandavas were known to be the reincarnation of lord Shiva and draupadi as durga.. so the makers have taken the story hand in hand which is just so wonderful.


remember pandavas knowingly or unknowingly were the reason why draupadi faced humiliation and they could do nothing about it.. so has rudra been unknowingly associated to the whole past..


MJ is a master mind and portraying into kauravas.. If pandavas was 5 as powerful then kauravas were 100 as powerful.. slowly but well they r progressing to show his character.. he is not at all what he seems.. he is scheming and calculative to the core.. he can do anything to keep his sons under his thumb.. I mean for a business that rudra built on his own, MJ is hell bent on his son to be dependent on him..

@bold - This is something new I have heard myself. I just know the version, where 5 pandavas were begotten by Kunti and Madri from Indra, Dharma, Vayu, and Ashwini Kumars (the divine doctors). This myth I did not know. Draupadi was born from a yagya. And I had seen in Mahabharat once - she herself said "Swayam shudh hu, par ashudhiyo par vaas hai mera (I am pure, but I dwell on impurities). This was after her humiliation by Kauravas. Quite similar to Maya's character. Thanks Namrata👍🏼

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: libran90

@bold - This is something new I have heard myself. I just know the version, where 5 pandavas were begotten by Kunti and Madri from Indra, Dharma, Vayu, and Ashwini Kumars (the divine doctors). This myth I did not know. Draupadi was born from a yagya. And I had seen in Mahabharat once - she herself said "Swayam shudh hu, par ashudhiyo par vaas hai mera (I am pure, but I dwell on impurities). This was after her humiliation by Kauravas. Quite similar to Maya's character. Thanks Namrata👍🏼


It's like lot of similarities have been drawn between the pandavas and Shiva. Draupadi and subhadra both are mentioned as reincarnation of durga.. and Krishna was the reincarnation of vishnu..

parvathi was cursed by God kamadhenu that she will have 5 husbands..so it realised as her birth as draupadi.

Read this

https://adziesinghviews.blogspot.com/2019/01/were-pandavas-incarnation-of-shiva.html


Although it's also said that pandavas were incarnation of indra and draupadi was sachi.. so there are many stories in mythology

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: NamuVyas


It's like lot of similarities have been drawn between the pandavas and Shiva. Draupadi and subhadra both are mentioned as reincarnation of durga.. and Krishna was the reincarnation of vishnu..

parvathi was cursed by God kamadhenu that she will have 5 husbands..so it realised as her birth as draupadi.

Read this

https://adziesinghviews.blogspot.com/2019/01/were-pandavas-incarnation-of-shiva.html


Although it's also said that pandavas were incarnation of indra and draupadi was sachi.. so there are many stories in mythology

Thanks Namrata😊

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Posted: 5 years ago

Res. Will come back to this! Great post today though. 👍🏼

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