Analysis Corner (Mar 31st Yeh koi saas bahu serial nahi hai link p.64) - Page 14

Originally posted by: Minionite

Ooh interesting take. The CVs are either going for layer upon layer of meaning or we're just going too deep into this, but I have a feeling those names were all chosen on purpose and it has to do with the reasoning you provided above.

Originally posted by: Minionite

@ Bold: We probably are. But if the CVs are here and reading posts in the forum, they're probably also being blown away by our discussions.

Rudra can say all he wants that it'll be his turn to hurt her when she signs on, he won't do much. His pain is mostly all physical. He shied away from fencing with her when he first saw her face. How's he going to return the physical pain in some challenge?

I don’t think Rudra has a mean streak in him also he doesn’t come across as petty to me. That threat just sounded like an exasperated mumble-jumble to me.

@ shreya: Wow, I am speechless. Your power of observation is incredible. I didn't think at all about the handcuff-bracelet thing. Another two things that stood out for me were:

- Mayas moms expression when Maya started approaching her with the cupcake. She looked down right scared. She has to know her daughter is consumed by revenge but like all mothers would want her to heal & move on. Her mentioning love was interesting. She seems like a future ally for Rudra/Rishi (I hope its Rudra) for winning Mayas heart.

- Mayas statement of not letting anything divert her from her plans. Well I guess the Roy boys will have to go to hell & back to win her, if at all. But what was interesting was her obvious irritation/annoyance at Rudras phone being busy. Maya ko intezar karne ki adat nahi and here her pawn was busy with someone else and didn't seem one bit apologetic.

@libran: excellent parallels for Subhadra & Draupadi. Both are Arjun(here Rudras) suitors, so that's going to be very interesting to see. Also Subhadra lost Abhimanyu in the Mahabharata battle, one that began coz of Draupadi, and we can imagine Ananya losing coz of Maya's Mahabharata too.

@Gurmeet4Drashti: Perfect observation, Maya is making Rudra compensate for the physical hurt while Rishi is compensating for the heartache. But doesn't it mean that she may not be able to hurt Rudras heart in future? Haar kar jeetne wale ko bazigar kehte hai. So Rudra might be getting all the physical pain but he may be saved from any heartache from her. Win-win for him.

Originally posted by: libran90

Originally posted by: najma123

Idk how far the Subhadra angle would fit in here. Idk if Ananya is actually a Subhadra or someone else. Like I can't picture her to that extent. Anyway, my projection of MB to BeyHadh right now is restricted to Maya alone. Idk how far the Roys play a part and we don't know which angle they are played from. MJ is no Dhritarashtra. So with time, we'll know which characters are the pieces here. I can relate this more to chess though. It's a pity they don't have chess symbolism in the show. Chess symbolism is crazy. 😆

It is just an assumption you see. And Mrityunjay is not completely a Dhritarashtra, but one thing is definitely like Dhritarashtra - obsessive love for his sons

Originally posted by: libran90

It is just an assumption you see. And Mrityunjay is not completely a Dhritarashtra, but one thing is definitely like Dhritarashtra - obsessive love for his sons

Like, when the Joker standalone movie was announced, a lot of people were not enthusiastic coz they felt the whole enigma around Joker was owing to the fact that his origins and his past weren't clear, so they kept us guessing. My point is pretty similar to that.

Rishi's selfishness - What a liar. I tell you, Rishi is turning out to be stereotypical in every sense. He cares about no one, but himself. Even faking that concern for Maya and the lies were all to get Maya closer to him. In the process, he revealed a lot more about himself than usual. He revealed part of his real personality. Girls are not important to him. They are just someone to attain, keep around for a few days, and then leave - through the scorecard. Even Maya is just someone he wants to attain, except in this case, because Maya is a damsel-in-distress, simple charm won't do. He has to woo her and show her his commitment. And for a damsel-in-distress who has been hurt before, that commitment is all the way to marriage. Of course, he also needs to understand his boundaries. Rudra shouldn't have to remind him to not touch a woman if she doesn't want to be touched. He should know that. But then he is used to getting what he wants and he's probably never been refused by a female before.

Well, Rishi may be selfish, but I don't think he is bad. Who isn't selfish. Everyone is.

I'm not going to be so quick to say he isn't bad. If one thing meaningful TV and cinema has taught me, it's never say never. You never know what's lying under the surface. He isn't bad in the sense that he's a villain, but he may have that vicious streak in him somewhere.

The bracelet - I come back to the bracelet, but this time in a broader sense. I'm not just focused on that bracelet that connects this mysterious lover with Rudra, but the bracelet that the lover gave Maya and the bracelet that Rishi is attempting to give to Maya. Watch how Rishi puts the bracelet on Maya. It's like a handcuff. Open, slip on from underneath, fasten from above. Symbolically suggesting I'm making you mine now. Now watch how the lover puts the bracelet on Maya. Slips it on and tightens it to the point where it's wrapped tightly around the skin. Symbolically suggesting that you are mine and you can't get loose from this. You're trapped. Maya didn't just jerk away her hand from the bracelet because it reminded her of the past, but I believe it also reminded her of this feeling. The feeling of being trapped and not being able to get away.

Bracelet nahi, phanda hai phasaane ka. Kisi ne kabhi Maya ko phasaaya tha, ab wo usi ke zariye kisi aur ko phasaayegi. Maya's pain is her weakness and her strength also.

So true. Maya's pain makes her weak, but strengthens her resolve.

Rudra vs Rishi - Not in real, but in the symbolic sense. Today the tables turned. Up to now, Rishi has always been the happy-go-lucky, fun-loving guy and Rudra the quiet, sensible, thinking one. Today the tables turned thanks to Maya. On one hand, Maya made Rishi cry. Despite his selfishness, she made him realize that it wasn't going to be so easy to get her and that even if he did, she wouldn't just bring happiness in his life, but sadness as well. Rudra, on the other hand, was happier, confident, and fun-loving today again thanks to Maya. Maya's tasks may have been difficult, but they also filled Rudra with confidence when he completed the first two. This is important because somewhere Rudra was losing confidence in himself and his abilities to run his business. I don't think he would have gone to MJ, but he may not have been able to fight off MJ as vigorously as he will now. Fun-loving because he managed to cheer up Rishi by teasing him - tu idiot hai. Haan tu bewakoof bhi hai. Wohi naa? I like this teasing banter between the brothers. But I also like how serious Rudra can get when things need to take a serious turn.

I get the feeling that Maya was traumatized mentally and physically. She was physically assaulted and her heart was broken. And both can cause an unending sequence of pain and agony. So with Rudra and Rishi, Maya is playing both. She is gradually breaking Rishi's heart which will cause him pain and with Rudra, she is giving him physically challenging tasks to give him the physical pain.

Makes sense. But then that also points to the obvious. Physical pain can be overcome, mental becomes a part of you. The old adage - sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never harm me - is wrong. It should be - sticks and stones may break my bones but words can destroy me. And that's what is happening here. Sticks and stones can break Rudra's bones, but Rishi will be the one to suffer more.

MJ and his mother - There is so much going on here! I don't know where to start! Okay let's go step-by-step. The CVs set up this sequence in a particular way and it's best to follow it.

Kaafi lamba tha nahi. All in all, I would just say, I need to watch Mrityunjay's character fleshed out. He is not the divine angel that he shows via the conversation with his mother. This was the first decent conversation between mother and son. Gave some insight into their relationship and also something Mrityunjay has done, which he shouldn't have.

Oh MJ is by no means an innocent lamb. This just gave an insight into what MJ may have been before he did something he shouldn't have done.

Symbolic and Real Deaths - Okay there was a lot of death talk in today's episode and I realized one thing. They won't both be real deaths.

As I pointed out in my post, all this talk about death is boring me to death (pun intended). As long as death is not happening, I will not expect the worst. Death does not necessarily mean the death of a person, but it could mean the death of the person they are to emerge into the person they will be because of Maya. They could be her biggest allies or her worst enemies. Let us see.

Hear hear! Death, death, everywhere death. But I see it as a phoenix. The phoenix dies and rises from its ashes. Here it'll be the same. Not reincarnation, but rather someone dying symbolically and being born again. It's like the first episode when Maya rose from the water. The old Maya died and in place a new Maya rose from those ashes.

Rudra's intense reaction - There's a story there. His reaction when Rishi wanted to talk to MJ about Maya was intense. Without realizing it, Rishi asked the right question. Did MJ chase away a former girlfriend of Rudra's? Rudra's hatred for MJ can't just be about a girl. There has to be more to it. But that question is a good starting point. Rudra is clever though. He quickly made it about Rishi. This is one of his strong points. He made the challenges about Maya. And he made his reaction about Rishi. It's also an interesting facet to his personality. When push comes to shove, Rudra is quick to deflect. I don't mean that he doesn't take responsibility. But when someone touches on a topic that is sensitive to him and he doesn't want to share with anybody, he quickly but casually deflects it back to the other person.

I don't understand Mrityunjay's problem. Why is he so against any woman coming into his son's life? Is this mollycoddling, controlling, protecting or something else?

Without knowing more about MJ it's hard to tell. I feel it's over protection right now, but there's a story here that goes beyond protection.

The symbolic fight club - The whole set-up and the way Maya and Rudra were standing facing each other with Fight Club perfectly between them sets up the whole scenario for the show. It'll be about a face-off between these two. The symbolic fight club. But will they always be against each other? I doubt that. As Rudra learns more about Maya and comes to understand her motives, that fight will turn against a common enemy.

I don't know why, but I also have this feeling that with the passage of every episode, Maya will start turning towards light and Mrityunjay towards darkness and so that when a midway is reached - that is when a proper show off will happen. What do you say?

I think this is already true. MJ is by no means light and Maya is by no means dark. The CVs revealed too much about the show in spoilers and articles and in the first few episodes to leave us in the dark (pun unintended). But what I feel will happen is that we will see more of MJ and what is dark about him and Maya and what is light about her. Assuming the show is 6 months long, I'm going to say that around the 2 month mark we'll finally get Maya's story and we'll finally see the real MJ. Right now, we're going to get bits and pieces as the CVs tantalize us and hook us in.

Originally posted by: najma123

I loved your symbolism as usual! Was waiting for it.

I loved the handcuff-bracelet meaning coz I didn't get it when I watched the episode. 👏 That was awesome. And it was true also. It was exactly like he was trapping her, and Maya wanted to get rid of the feeling as well as the memory. Could it be that despite everything Rishi does manage to trap Maya in some way in future? He may. He's a charmer like MJ. And yesterday, he may have been lying about his concern for Maya or he may have realised it later and believed that he WAS concerned. Yeah, when he said he was looking for Maya, it was a lie, however, he may have looked around for her once the first fear had passed.

However, it is obvious that he's got the scheming streak of MJ More than Rudra has. I hope they DO explore that side and in the end not write him off to establish Rudra. Rudra is anyway owning everyone with his deep-rooted pain and hurt and intensity. Rishi's downfall need not be used to establish Rudra. But anyway let us see.

Regarding RuAn (I love how they have used a ship name for their business as well 😆) and their friendship. In the last season too, we saw a lot of foreshadowing in the beginning about Maya coming in between two friends. But this season they have shown it very, very deftly. I loved how she interrupted a phone call and not some glaringly obvious interruption otherwise shown on television. And Ananya says no one can come between us. Classic dialogue that comes in every show, every serial. I hope though, that when something like that happens, these friends don't think there's a rift between them. That would be different. I don't want to see another Kuch Kuch Hota Hai here. 😆

Regarding the death signs, I comprehended it the same way you have, that it was too obvious to be Rudra's death. It's probably Rishi's or something else. Yeah, losing Vs dying was awesome. 😉

Then MJ - His mother, it was from this scene that I picked the analysis of their names. Dil and Dimaag. He also referred to himself I think. MJ as a whole is a complete package to face any adversity in life, but his sons have only got half his qualities. So, he could have meant his heart said something else but he was willing to explain to his brain about how to deal with his sons.

Point here - Rudra's problem of rebellion is a problem for MJ. Why is Rishi's girlfriend a problem? Why did MJ say problem is solved? Maybe this is what he thought when Rudra was younger and was of Rishi's age, and he did something to drive away the girlfriend.

EDIT -

1. Regarding Sultan, the dog, even that is a foreshadowing of death? It was supposed to be a joke which backfired. 😆 It was funny though. But maybe, there's something there.

2. Why did you say Antara betrayed/hurt Rudra? She seems to love him a lot

@ Bold: I don't think Maya can become so easily trapped by Rishi. She can see right through Rishi. It would be kind of hard pressed for Rishi to make his way into her life when she guards herself so ferociously.

@ Red: Abey bol diya! 😡😆 I skipped over that. Didn't want to jinx it. But honestly, it's going to happen. Despite being a well-knit and thoughtful show, there are so many stereotypes and cliches. This is one cliche that is too good to miss, especially when it was already used in season 1 and so talked about.

@ Blue: This is what intrigues me as well. Why does MJ care so much about who Rishi dates? That too without knowing her first. At least get to know the girl then you can hate her and separate them if you want. Somewhere I feel he wants to control who Rishi marries and, by extension, loves. He's trying to do that with Rudra - by wanting him to get married to Ananya. At least here Ananya has made it clear that it has to be Rudra's decision.

@ Green:

1) I don't know what to take Sultan as right now. I kind of expected Rudra to have a dog, but when they hadn't shown it in the first few episodes, I just assumed I was wrong. Then yesterday they introduce Sultan.

2) I feel like whatever happened with MJ, Rudra expected Antara to leave, but when she didn't, he saw it as a betrayal. I'm going back to the taunt he passed in the party. He doesn't hate Antara, he probably even understands why Antara stayed, but it did hurt him. Maybe I went too far to say it broke his heart, but it probably added to the pain of his broken heart.

Originally posted by: Gurmeet4Drashti

I don’t think Rudra has a mean streak in him also he doesn’t come across as petty to me. That threat just sounded like an exasperated mumble-jumble to me.

Yep. If that was MJ, I would have been alarmed. If it was Rishi, I might have been intrigued because it would show a different side of Rishi. But Rudra is harmless in this matter. He would never hurt someone knowingly - unless it's MJ, but even then I don't think he could do anything really bad to MJ.

Originally posted by: Armu4eva

@ shreya: Wow, I am speechless. Your power of observation is incredible. I didn't think at all about the handcuff-bracelet thing. Another two things that stood out for me were:

- Mayas moms expression when Maya started approaching her with the cupcake. She looked down right scared. She has to know her daughter is consumed by revenge but like all mothers would want her to heal & move on. Her mentioning love was interesting. She seems like a future ally for Rudra/Rishi (I hope its Rudra) for winning Mayas heart.

- Mayas statement of not letting anything divert her from her plans. Well I guess the Roy boys will have to go to hell & back to win her, if at all. But what was interesting was her obvious irritation/annoyance at Rudras phone being busy. Maya ko intezar karne ki adat nahi and here her pawn was busy with someone else and didn't seem one bit apologetic.

@libran: excellent parallels for Subhadra & Draupadi. Both are Arjun(here Rudras) suitors, so that's going to be very interesting to see. Also Subhadra lost Abhimanyu in the Mahabharata battle, one that began coz of Draupadi, and we can imagine Ananya losing coz of Maya's Mahabharata too.

@Gurmeet4Drashti: Perfect observation, Maya is making Rudra compensate for the physical hurt while Rishi is compensating for the heartache. But doesn't it mean that she may not be able to hurt Rudras heart in future? Haar kar jeetne wale ko bazigar kehte hai. So Rudra might be getting all the physical pain but he may be saved from any heartache from her. Win-win for him.

@ Red: I'm curious about this. In the introduction to Nandini, I thought it was just fear for Maya, but yesterday it was fear of Maya. But then again if you think about it, Maya went through some form of hell with her love. She has probably changed drastically from the old Maya. That change probably involved some facets that were terrifying and took a long time to control. Nandini may just be scared of bringing those facets out again. They may have hurt her deeply and terribly as well as she either tried to help Maya move on or watched her move on. I still don't think it's the fear that we saw in S1 with Jhanvi and Maya, but who knows.