Where is Ranveer and Alia's National Awards? - Page 10

Overtly dramatic Khal Drogo rip off should get a NA?

Lol

I don't know 😅 I just made the GB comparison because like URI it's also a 2019 film. Were these awards given for 2018? How the hell can Vicky win then? 🤪

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

Wait Gullyboy was in contention? I thought Ranveer was up because of Padmavaat?

Originally posted by: mystic786

I don't know 😅 I just made the GB comparison because like URI it's also a 2019 film. Were these awards given for 2018? How the hell can Vicky win then? 🤪

GB will be eligible for 2019 NA... Uri got cleared by CBFC on 31st Dec 2018 so is eligible for 2018 NA.

What the hell??? That's so weird.. who made these rules? Release date toh 2019 ki hi hai na 🤪

Originally posted by: Melissaa

GB will be eligible for 2019 NA... Uri got cleared by CBFC on 31st Dec 2018 so is eligible for 2018 NA.

Originally posted by: mystic786

What the hell??? That's so weird.. who made these rules? Release date toh 2019 ki hi hai na 🤪

Anyways even if GB wasn't in contention then also Vicky didn't deserve it for URI.

Mystic ji, shaant ho Jao gadhadhari bheem...Ranveer or even for that matter Vicky and Ayushmaan and the other crop of talented actors we have today don’t need any awards to validate their work....The rewards they get from their audience is more than enough....Of course it’s always nice to receive these awards that too something like National Awards, which is why we should be happy for A & V who have been putting in some of the best work since years...Can’t think of anyone at this point, not even my favorites RS/K, who deserved it more than them....So kudos to NAs for finally recognizing these two supremely talented actors...👏

OT: Alia and Ranveer? More than the recipients? How?

Originally posted by: Melissaa

Oh no, its not obvious dear. Maybe you thought its obvious but it was not. That's why there is a quote button to use. I don't have skills like you to twist anything. Didn't you say in another post that you aren't trying to change my opinion? Then why the long essays? There was nothing illogical or absurd in my arguments. You repeating it 5000 times will not make it a fact. --- Next time I will quote you. The long essays is because you took my first comment and made it look like I was talking about all his performances in general when that comment was directed at the points you made in the ensuing convos with SH.

Yeah dear, it'll be good for all of us to quote each other. But your intention wasn't to argue rationally but to pick up fights so I can understand. And please don't take convos of SH with any person seriously. We all know he's a joke and he's enjoying now that he got a blockbuster thread and we are fightng with each other.

Arre mata ji, mera matlab ye tha ki Ranveer getting critical acclaim doesn't make his performances award worthy. There's difference between getting critical acclaim and being a contender for awards. Ranveer's performances getting critical acclaim didn't make his performances award worthy. His only performance where people (not only fans) said that he was deserving for awards is BM and Padmaavat. Not any other performance. Ab samajh mein aaya maine kya likha tha? Iska dusre actors aur performances se koi lena dena nahi hai. --- madam, I only countered your argument by saying that a lot of critically acclaimed performances get snubbed at award shows that does not make those performances non-award worthy and some of this years recipients of NA's most hailed performances were snubbed too . You think RS's critically acclaimed performances were not award worthy that is fine I'm not arguing with you to prove they were award worthy or to change your opinion in the first place. What I was trying to say was (since you brought up award noms and wins to dimiss some of his performances) that they are not always a correct measure because a lot of others get snubbed at award shows too so not a very good point to bring up to dismiss his performances since it proves nothing.

Pura thread awards or nominations ka hi hai. I didn't bring anything. It was SH himself who was trying to argue with me by bringing nominations so fight with him. Yes, I don't think that Ranveer deserves award for his performances, but that's my personal opinion. What's not a personal opinion and a fact is that Ranveer was never considered a serious contender for awards for any performance other than BM and Padmaavat.

I understood that you had a problem with my reply to SH's posts, but now you're not getting what I actually meant. Or maybe you just don't want to understand. ---no, I actually got what you said so I countered your argument with bringing up other critically acclaimed performances of other actors that were snubbed at the award shows. I understood you fine but you seem to want to argue with me only. I don't want to continue this argument with you anymore since the misunderstanding you had with my previous comment is cleared now. You stand by your opinion about RS acting I'm not trying to change that opinion.

It has became quite late to understand each other, when you didn't want a healthy argument in the first place, since you started it by taking a dig at me. I'm not interested in arguing with anyone, but mocking karoge to jawab milega.

I brought up other actors award nom and award win snubbed critically acclaimed performances to argue because you used that point to argue against some RS performances snubbed at award shows. So apply that same logic to some other critically acclaimed performances of other actors that got snubbed and you will see how waek your argument was. You were going off at a tangent when you did not get where my comment was directed at thinking that I was talking about his BM and PV performances wrt award wins and noms.

Kaun sa logic kahan apply karun? Salman ka example isliye diya because actors do get nominated for dancing at award functions. Iska kya lena dena hai other actors getting snubbed at award functions? Newsflash : RS was never snubbed for any "non-get up" performance in awards. He was never considered a top choice for awards for any performance other than BM and Padmaavat. So your so called logic of bringing other actors and trying to make a point doesn't make sense. I went "off the tangent" only once when I didn't get what your "original dig" was about. Why were you asking me again to read your post when I understood what you meant? Ab ek baar galti maan li to sar mein chadogi kya. That post wasn't even meant for you. It was for mystic786. Don't know why you replied on that.

I'm not stopping or trying to chan

ge. I gave you my reason for the first dig already.

Wo to dikh hi raha hai. But let me say that to other RS fans as well, that the points of critical acclaim and awards that Ranveer fans throw on me will not make me believe that their favourite is a great actor.

the person who critics thought did better than RS in Lootera, Sonakshi was snubbed at awards that year too since she hardly won any awards (I think she won one critics award at one award show only). So my original comment about not all critically acclaimed best performances getting awards and some getting snubbed is correct but that does not mean those performances were bad since there is a lot of other things that goes behind the scene during award shows. The year Lootera came out he had RL too and both performances were critically acclaimed and he got nominated for RL in most award shows that year but there were people who said he should have been nominated for Lootera but since Lootera was a flop most award shows nominated him for the hit RL instead. I did not even bring up him getting snubbed for Lootera so why you bringing that up since that is not the issue I was talking about in the first place. Again DDD came out in the same year as BM and it was a flop so he got nominated and won for BM.

Again you're using this logic of critical acclaim=award worthy performance. Sonakshi didn't deserve any award for Lootera. Her performance was good but not the best to win an award. Lootera was brought by mystic786 and you jumped in that conversation for no reason bringing all the confusion. So it's your fault dear, not mine.

when people twist my comments to suit their narrative I will argue. Weren't you the one who said most RK fans left forum already?

You made a claim saying that you were a whole thread was made for calling Sanju a bad performance? I'm asking where are those people? I know Ranbir fans have left that's why no one will come to defend him. And no one came at me for calling Sanju a bad performance (I never even said that).

National awards really overlooks regional cinema imo. Or gives it priority in alternate years. Why can't they just be neutral n give it to which ver is best doesn't matter if all the wards goes to regional cinemas frequently. It's as if they predecide to make it atleast 50/50

Originally posted by: Luna46

I brought up other actors award nom and award win snubbed critically acclaimed performances to argue because you used that point to argue against some RS performances snubbed at award shows. So apply that same logic to some other critically acclaimed performances of other actors that got snubbed and you will see how waek your argument was. You were going off at a tangent when you did not get where my comment was directed at thinking that I was talking about his BM and PV performances wrt award wins and noms.

Kaun sa logic kahan apply karun? Salman ka example isliye diya because actors do get nominated for dancing at award functions. Iska kya lena dena hai other actors getting snubbed at award functions? Newsflash : RS was never snubbed for any "non-get up" performance in awards. He was never considered a top choice for awards for any performance other than BM and Padmaavat. So your so called logic of bringing other actors and trying to make a point doesn't make sense. I went "off the tangent" only once when I didn't get what your "original dig" was about. Why were you asking me again to read your post when I understood what you meant? Ab ek baar galti maan li to sar mein chadogi kya. That post wasn't even meant for you. It was for mystic786. Don't know why you replied on that.

I'm not stopping or trying to chan

ge. I gave you my reason for the first dig already.

Wo to dikh hi raha hai. But let me say that to other RS fans as well, that the points of critical acclaim and awards that Ranveer fans throw on me will not make me believe that their favourite is a great actor.

the person who critics thought did better than RS in Lootera, Sonakshi was snubbed at awards that year too since she hardly won any awards (I think she won one critics award at one award show only). So my original comment about not all critically acclaimed best performances getting awards and some getting snubbed is correct but that does not mean those performances were bad since there is a lot of other things that goes behind the scene during award shows. The year Lootera came out he had RL too and both performances were critically acclaimed and he got nominated for RL in most award shows that year but there were people who said he should have been nominated for Lootera but since Lootera was a flop most award shows nominated him for the hit RL instead. I did not even bring up him getting snubbed for Lootera so why you bringing that up since that is not the issue I was talking about in the first place. Again DDD came out in the same year as BM and it was a flop so he got nominated and won for BM.

Again you're using this logic of critical acclaim=award worthy performance. Sonakshi didn't deserve any award for Lootera. Her performance was good but not the best to win an award. Lootera was brought by mystic786 and you jumped in that conversation for no reason bringing all the confusion. So it's your fault dear, not mine.

when people twist my comments to suit their narrative I will argue. Weren't you the one who said most RK fans left forum already?

You made a claim saying that you were a whole thread was made for calling Sanju a bad performance? I'm asking where are those people? I know Ranbir fans have left that's why no one will come to defend him. And no one came at me for calling Sanju a bad performance (I never even said that).

I will answer this point only.

You were putting down RS's non-costumey critically acclaimed performances by bringing up how he never got an award for those perfomances. Thats when SH said he got nomoinated and then you brought up Salman getting award nods. I will reiterate what I said before a lot actor's great performances get snubbed by either not getting an award nom or win that does not make their critically acclaimed performances bad or non award worthy. News flash: quite a few people (non fans included) thought he should have been nominated for Lootera instead of RL. If you can't simply understand that just let it be. Not all award worthy performances get nominated or win is the point I wanted to prove by bringing up the other actors in my initial comment.

Regarding Sonakshi's Lootera perfomance not getting an award, I agree with you on that Deepika was more deserving for RL since she was better than Sona that year so she won. Finally we agree on something.

Rest I will ignore and please, I have no intention changing your opinion. My last reply to you on this thread.

@Bold What does that mean?? 😅 Anyways I am calm. I love Vicky but I just don't think he deserved it for URI. That's it. I've never considered Ayushmann a decent actor so not gonna go there at all.

Originally posted by: cricketfan1

Mystic ji, shaant ho Jao gadhadhari bheem...Ranveer or even for that matter Vicky and Ayushmaan and the other crop of talented actors we have today don’t need any awards to validate their work....The rewards they get from their audience is more than enough....Of course it’s always nice to receive these awards that too something like National Awards, which is why we should be happy for A & V who have been putting in some of the best work since years...Can’t think of anyone at this point, not even my favorites RS/K, who deserved it more than them....So kudos to NAs for finally recognizing these two supremely talented actors...👏

OT: Alia and Ranveer? More than the recipients? How?

Originally posted by: Melissaa

I will answer this point only.

You were putting down RS's non-costumey critically acclaimed performances by bringing up how he never got an award for those perfomances. Thats when SH said he got nomoinated and then you brought up Salman getting award nods. I will reiterate what I said before a lot actor's great performances get snubbed by either not getting an award nom or win that does not make their critically acclaimed performances bad or non award worthy. News flash: quite a few people (non fans included thought he should have been nominated for Lootera instead of RL. If you can't simply understand that just let it be.

Regarding Sonakshi's Lootera perfomance not getting an award, I agree with you on that Deepika was more deserving for RL since she was better than Sona that year so she won. Finally we agree on something.

Rest I will ignore and please, I have no intention changing your opinion. My last reply to you on this thread.

I wasn't putting down RS "non-get up" performance by saying that he never got awards for those performances. I was saying "no hoopla was created for RS not getting awards for those performances". Award milna nahi milna dusri baat hai. But people didn't even care if he didn't get an award. That means he was never in the race and other performances were far better. People only consider his performances award worthy when he changes looks in films and plays an interesting character. My point wasn't about him getting award or not, but was about people caring or not.

Alot of great actors get snubbed during awards but Ranveer isn't one of them, and even if some people other than fans think that, then its not majority's opinion.

News flash : Quite a few people don't make majority. And those people considered him getting for nomination for Lootera over RL, not getting the award.

And no, I don't agree that Deepika deserved that award either. It was Vaani in SDR whom I thought was the best.

Yeah, please ignore because that's what you can do. You previously also said that. Let's see you stick with your words this time.