Where is Ranveer and Alia's National Awards? - Page 9

@Bold And I'm quoting you: "The whole "critically acclaimed" thing wasn't even used for Padmaavat, so I don't know where this national award thing is coming."

Ranveer definitely received widespread critical acclaim for his performance. I don't know why the hell you keep changing your stance while replying to different people. You've clearly said here that Ranveer didn't get critical acclaim for his performance, now you're saying that you never denied that Padmaavat got critical acclaim... I mean what the hell??? 🤪Both these things have no correlation whatsoever!

Aur bhai when did I say Ayushmann and RK haven't received critical acclaim for some of their performances? You're the one who's claiming that when it comes to Ranveer be it Lootera or Gully Boy 😆 What I said is my personal opinion. What you're doing is completely different. You are giving your personal opinion that Ranveer is a bad actor and you're backing up that claim with twisted facts and figures or just making something up with the facts. For eg. NA etc.

I can't even list the amount of facts and figures you've refuted just because you hate Ranveer. According to you, GB didn't have a good opening and wasn't actually a hit.. 🤣 yeah not gonna bother talking to you again. 😆

Twisting facts and figures or just negating them is a habit of yours to bash Ranveer. 😆My arguments are based on facts and figures not blind love unlike yours.

Originally posted by: Luna46

And your arguments are always based on your personal love for Ranveer isn't it? So yes, even arguing with you is pointless. Facts and figures are also that RK and Ayushmann have got critical acclaim and awards for their performances. And by that logic you too refuted them? Actually hatred is only for their fans, not the actor.

Padmaavat never got critical acclaim, when did I say that? I said I don't care what critics say. Like I said, twisting words is old habit of your fandom.

Originally posted by: Melissaa

Read what I have written before going off again. Keep on repeating twisting what I said but it will not change that your previous arguelments were full of loopholes. I only said what said because by applying the points you raised in your previous arguments to dismiss his non-costume normal guy acts than some other great performances of other actors could be dismissed as bad too since even some of them did not get award noms or wins despite critcal acclaim. Mind you you were not talking about NA only before or else you would not have metioned people getting award noms by just dancing at shows if you were talking aboiut NA so stop bringing up Lootera and GB NA noms because that was never a conversation I was having with you in the first place. Not liking someone's performace is a personal choice but bringing up award noms, award wins to prove someone is bad actor was when I said what I said because if we use the same on some other great performances of good actors then even they are bad too.

So stop going off at a tangent and trying to make this argument in to something it is not.

And please stop flattering yourself by thinking that I'm trying to change your opinion on his act whcich I'm not... As I said before I only said anything because your whole argument to dismiss his other performances. And I'm not pasing my opinion as a fact your argument was weak so I merely showed that only. You can say RS is a bad actor I will not mind at all but the points you used to dismiss his performances were so weak that I just could not resist counter arguing.

And please I have seen people coming at you for saying Sanju was bad performance (there was a whole thread) so please don't try to make it something only RS fans do.

I'm not going off the tangent and my argument doesn't have any loopholes. You keep on living in this delusion that you've found some amazing loopholes in my argument but that doesn't become a fact. Ranveer's BBB, DDD and any other performance other than BM and Padmaavat was not considered a contender of awards. By bringing other actors and performances you are not proving anything because we are talking about Ranveer here. So whether they got snubbed at awards doesn't matter.

I will dismiss any performance which I don't like or find overrated. Doesn't matter how much critical acclaim or NA awards it got because its my personal opinion. It'll not get influenced by other people's opinion.

For Lootera he didn't deserve any award. Even critics said that Sonakshi did better in the film, and that year it was obvious that Farhan will take all awards for BMB and that's exactly what happened. Nobody questioned why Ranveer got snubbed for Lootera. Majority agreed that Farhan for BMB was well-deserved.

You don't want to change my opinion yet you will keep on arguing with me. Shows how much "not desperate" you are to change my opinion. Like I said, for fanatics every argument will be weak against their favourite. Ranbir's Sanju performance was called overrated in this very thread itself.😆Didn't see any fan to come and defend it.

Originally posted by: Melissaa

Please if you have read my first comment itself I was taunting you for your convo with SH only. You are trying to twist what I wrote in to something it is not... One need to write essays when others don't understand and get triggered about what one wrote so the other party could understand. When people use baseless and illogical arguments to bash people, I would counter them if the person getting bashed is a non-fave too.

@bold: precisely the reason why I wrote the below comment in the first place.

"A lot of actors despite getting critical acclaim and nominations for their performance do not win awards some of the recipients of this years NAs have been in the same boat in the past. Also some critically acclaimed performances of actors get snubbed in the award season is a fact (again some winnersnof this years have been subjected to this) phir bhi Ranveer is the exception to everything. Others get a pass get hailed as a good actor despite no nominations and no award wins for universally critically acclaimed performances but Ranveer should win the awards to prove that he is a good actor. Can give loads of examples such instances too" agree with it or diagree, don't care.

I actually wrote another detailed reply so yeah hopefully now you understand my issue with your comment was not because you called him overrated or bad but because of the ensuing convo you had with SH. Call him overrated 500 times I will not give a damn. So I can understand why you are going on off at a tanget because you thought my comment was for your first comment but it was not so now you can rest because I'm not trying to change your opinion about his acting here.

Oh no, its not obvious dear. Maybe you thought its obvious but it was not. That's why there is a quote button to use. I don't have skills like you to twist anything. Didn't you say in another post that you aren't trying to change my opinion? Then why the long essays? There was nothing illogical or absurd in my arguments. You repeating it 5000 times will not make it a fact.

Arre mata ji, mera matlab ye tha ki Ranveer getting critical acclaim doesn't make his performances award worthy. There's difference between getting critical acclaim and being a contender for awards. Ranveer's performances getting critical acclaim didn't make his performances award worthy. His only performance where people (not only fans) said that he was deserving for awards is BM and Padmaavat. Not any other performance. Ab samajh mein aaya maine kya likha tha? Iska dusre actors aur performances se koi lena dena nahi hai. Its not important whether the actors got awards or nominations. The point was whether general public (not only fans) considered it worthy of awards or not. And that only happened with BM and Padmaavat. Not any other critically acclaimed performance.

I understood that you had a problem with my reply to SH's posts, but now you're not getting what I actually meant. Or maybe you just don't want to understand.

Originally posted by: mystic786

And I'm quoting you: "The whole "critically acclaimed" thing wasn't even used for Padmaavat, so I don't know where this national award thing is coming."

Arre when did I say Ayushmann and RK haven't received critical acclaim for some of their performances? You're the one who's claiming that when it comes to Ranveer be it Lootera or Gully Boy😆What I said is my personal opinion. What you're doing is completely different. You are giving your personal opinion that Ranveer is a bad actor and you're backing up that claim with twisted facts and figures or just making something up with the facts. For eg. NA etc.

I can't even list the amount of facts and figures you've refuted just because you hate Ranveer. According to you, GB didn't have a good opening 🤣 and wasn't actually a hit.. yeah not gonna bother talking to you again. 😆

Twisting facts and theories or just negating them is a habit of yours to bash Ranveer. 😆 My arguments are based on facts and figures unlike you.

Arre baba, tune pura post parha ki sirf bold hi padha. Jao pehle pura padh ke aao. I don't have energy to make you understand what I meant.

Ranveer is overrated actor is my personal opinion. He got critical acclaim for his performances is a fact and I'm not denying. Either you lack comprehension skills or I lack writing skills.

Baki you are obsessed and blind in love with Ranveer is also a fact and whole forum can see that.

Who the heck said Gully Boy didn't get good opening or wasn't a hit? Definitely not me.

Originally posted by: Luna46

You repeating it 5000 times will not make it a fact.

On this forum it can🤣

Originally posted by: Luna46

I'm not going off the tangent and my argument doesn't have any loopholes. You keep on living in this delusion that you've found some amazing loopholes in my argument but that doesn't become a fact. Ranveer's BBB, DDD and any other performance other than BM and Padmaavat was not considered a contender of awards. By bringing other actors and performances you are not proving anything because we are talking about Ranveer here. So whether they got snubbed at awards doesn't matter. ---I brought up other actors award nom and award win snubbed critically acclaimed performances to argue because you used that point to argue against some RS performances snubbed at award shows. So apply that same logic to some other critically acclaimed performances of other actors that got snubbed and you will see how waek your argument was. You were going off at a tangent when you did not get where my comment was directed at thinking that I was talking about his BM and PV performances wrt award wins and noms.

I will dismiss any performance which I don't like or find overrated. Doesn't matter how much critical acclaim or NA awards it got because its my personal opinion. It'll not get influenced by other people's opinion. ---I'm not stopping or trying to change. I gave you my reason for the first dig already.

For Lootera he didn't deserve any award. Even critics said that Sonakshi did better in the film, and that year it was obvious that Farhan will take all awards for BMB and that's exactly what happened. Nobody questioned why Ranveer got snubbed for Lootera. Majority agreed that Farhan for BMB was well-deserved. --- the person who critics thought did better than RS in Lootera, Sonakshi was snubbed at awards that year too since she hardly won any awards (I think she won one critics award at one award show only). So my original comment about not all critically acclaimed best performances getting awards and some getting snubbed is correct but that does not mean those performances were bad since there is a lot of other things that goes behind the scene during award shows. The year Lootera came out he had RL too and both performances were critically acclaimed and he got nominated for RL in most award shows that year but there were people who said he should have been nominated for Lootera but since Lootera was a flop most award shows nominated him for the hit RL instead. I did not even bring up him getting snubbed for Lootera so why you bringing that up since that is not the issue I was talking about in the first place. Again DDD came out in the same year as BM and it was a flop so he got nominated and won for BM.

You don't want to change my opinion yet you will keep on arguing with me. Shows how much "not desperate" you are to change my opinion. Like I said, for fanatics every argument will be weak against their favourite. Ranbir's Sanju performance was called overrated in this very thread itself.😆Didn't see any fan to come and defend it. -- when people twist my comments to suit their narrative I will argue. Weren't you the one who said most RK fans left forum already?

Oh no, its not obvious dear. Maybe you thought its obvious but it was not. That's why there is a quote button to use. I don't have skills like you to twist anything. Didn't you say in another post that you aren't trying to change my opinion? Then why the long essays? There was nothing illogical or absurd in my arguments. You repeating it 5000 times will not make it a fact. --- Next time I will quote you. The long essays is because you took my first comment and made it look like I was talking about all his performances in general when that comment was directed at the points you made in the ensuing convos with SH.

Arre mata ji, mera matlab ye tha ki Ranveer getting critical acclaim doesn't make his performances award worthy. There's difference between getting critical acclaim and being a contender for awards. Ranveer's performances getting critical acclaim didn't make his performances award worthy. His only performance where people (not only fans) said that he was deserving for awards is BM and Padmaavat. Not any other performance. Ab samajh mein aaya maine kya likha tha? Iska dusre actors aur performances se koi lena dena nahi hai. --- madam, I only countered your argument by saying that a lot of critically acclaimed performances get snubbed at award shows that does not make those performances non-award worthy and some of this years recipients of NA's most hailed performances were snubbed too . You think RS's critically acclaimed performances were not award worthy that is fine I'm not arguing with you to prove they were award worthy or to change your opinion in the first place. What I was trying to say was (since you brought up award noms and wins to dimiss some of his performances) that they are not always a correct measure because a lot of others get snubbed at award shows too so not a very good point to bring up to dismiss his performances since it proves nothing.

I understood that you had a problem with my reply to SH's posts, but now you're not getting what I actually meant. Or maybe you just don't want to understand. ---no, I actually got what you said so I countered your argument with bringing up other critically acclaimed performances of other actors that were snubbed at the award shows. I understood you fine but you seem to want to argue with me only. I don't want to continue this argument with you anymore since the misunderstanding you had with my previous comment is cleared now. You stand by your opinion about RS acting I'm not trying to change that opinion.

Originally posted by: Maraka_Musso89

Sonam deserved her Special Mention by the NA board. Let's not undermine someone's work because they aren't to your taste and that you're bitter your fav didn't get anything.

🤣Lmao. Sonam won that award because she played a national hero. Bas. Her acting chops are quite visible to everyone without blinders on 😆

Itna sab kuch for national awards? Saif has a national award for Hum Tum, Sonam has a mention, and Akshay has one for Rustom. Tum log kya jhagar rahe ho. Waise bhi Ranveer getting a national award for Padmavaat was never even a thing that could happen lol. Hello.. imagine BJP government giving an award to someone to played a Muslim ruler who killed Rajputs and was responsible for Rani Padmavati's death. I mean come on Please! Karni Sena abhi bhi zinda hain lol. Dimaag lagao bhai.

I truly truly think Ayushman deserved it. I haven't seen Uri toh Vicky ka nahi bol sakti. But he's a better actor that both Veer-Bir in my opinion so am sure other than the fact that Uri generated mass jingoistic propaganda for BJP government, his performance was also good.

As much as I love Vicky as an actor, I have to say that he didn't deserve it for URI. His character was very poorly written and there wasn't much scope for a good performance. He wasn't anything special in it. Vicky has definitely given much better and greater performances before this.

Ranveer definitely deserved it for GB more than Vicky did for URI.

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

Itna sab kuch for national awards? Saif has a national award for Hum Tum, Sonam has a mention, and Akshay has one for Rustom. Tum log kya jhagar rahe ho. Waise bhi Ranveer getting a national award for Padmavaat was never even a thing that could happen lol. Hello.. imagine BJP government giving an award to someone to played a Muslim ruler who killed Rajputs and was responsible for Rani Padmavati's death. I mean come on Please! Karni Sena abhi bhi zinda hain lol. Dimaag lagao bhai.

I truly truly think Ayushman deserved it. I haven't seen Uri toh Vicky ka nahi bol sakti. But he's a better actor that both Veer-Bir in my opinion so am sure other than the fact that Uri generated mass jingoistic propaganda for BJP government, his performance was also good.

Originally posted by: mystic786

As much as I love Vicky as an actor, I have to say that he didn't deserve it for URI. His character was very poorly written and there wasn't much scope for a good performance. He wasn't anything special in it. Vicky has definitely given much better and greater performances before this.

Ranveer definitely deserved it for GB more than Vicky did for URI.

Wait Gullyboy was in contention? I thought Ranveer was up because of Padmavaat?