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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: mili9

Good morning / evening girls and boys !!

Hope everybody is doing well. I didn't get a chance to watch Tuesday episode yet. Not sure when I would get a chance.

Jhalak, my friend, answer to your question: NOT A DAMN THING, OTHER THEN BEING IRRITATING AND A BIG MOUTH 😡

Again, I will limit myself to her interaction with Mishti only, otherwise I will have a book to write just analysing that woman and her utter lack of depth. I find Mehek's concern for Pari, very pretentious. There are only two possible scenarios for Mehek from my standpoint.

#1 . Mehek is so in love with Pari that she is a guardian of Pari. In that case, she should be watching her like a hawk, and if so, then, she should have noticed the altercation/interaction between Pari and Mishti and intervened and separated them. In this scenario, Pari would never have been in danger in the first place.

#2. Mehek is simply bringing Pari for a swim, as a friend's daughter. She turns her back for a minute, which can happen with anybody. So, in effect, she hasn't witnessed the altercation between Pari and Mishti. Just because, Pari is in a position of danger, she cannot assume that the other child is the culprit and abuse a small child ( Mishti )who is unsupported at the moment. Which parent in the right mind, would abuse the parents as well along with a child? And which sane parent ( read Mauli ) would put up with the rant. If an unsupported child ( Mishti ) gets abused, threatened by an adult, what is her recourse? And which parent ( read Mauli ) puts up with her child being accused, abused and threatened? If nobody knew what happened, and when Mishti says " I didn't push Pari, I simply wanted to get away from her " why doesn't anybody believe her? Shouldn't Mauli at least give her the benefit of the doubt? How do they expect Mishti to prove that she is not at fault for " pushing " Pari into the pool?

That child clearly states, and restates her position, not once but at least three times, NOBODY BELIEVES HER😡😡. Again, I am going to touch on this very common practice I have witnessed which I hate to the core. Putting the child on the spot and to " say sorry", no matter what. Come on guys, the child's sense of right or wrong or sense of fairness is being trashed, taking a beating so an adult can satisfy their " ego" so to speak, and say " I always stand for the right". Clearly, Mauli is wrong in " making Mishti say sorry" to Pari. Really, for what? Please look at it from that child's perspective. Is Mishti wrong AT THIS INSTANCE for trying to get away from her annoyance? For trying to protect her personal space? For trying to defend herself? Look at it from her perspective, SHE DID NOTHING WRONG. If Pari fell, it was a happenstance, both kids were equally responsible for it.

What did Mauli achieve by making Mishti apologize to Pari? Mishti thinking that her mom doesn't believe her. Mishti feeling like she is coerced to apologize for a mistake she hasn't committed. Mishti feelings being reinforced that her mom cares about Pari more than her. In effect, this apology didn't serve any purpose, other than Mauli feeling superficially that " I made her do the right thing, more for Kunal and Mehek's benefit" or her own very superficial sense of " doing the right thing".

I am sorry, a mature parent in that situation would have taken her child to the side rather than put on the spot in the middle of onlookers, there for the drama, and asked what happened. When the child tells her part of the story, would believe her, because she has no other evidence to suggest otherwise. Made sure that the other child is safe, apologized for " the Pari's condition", not for " Mishti's mistake" and would discuss with Mishti how the incident unfolded when alone and when Mishti felt it is safe to talk. Here, all of them, including Mauli have been the judge, jury and executioners of Mishti even without knowing about the incident, COMPLETELY TURNING A DEAF EAR TO WHAT MISHTI HAD TO SAY. They were going to punish her and label her as a bully, even before she had anything to say. MISHTI ABSOLUTELY HAD NO RECOURSE, WHATSOEVER.

And, if Mauli wants to address Mishti's behavior with Pari locking her in the bathroom, this is not the place, nor is this the time. You simply can't pile on a lot of baggage on that child at one moment. If you are addressing the pool incident, address that pool incident ALONE. If we say she is making her apologize for the bathroom incident at that every moment, then she is clearly in the wrong. THAT CHILD DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE IS BEING PUNISHED FOR. On the surface, this might look OK for most people, but ask me who is a mother of a young child. It doesn't work that way😡If you want to correct one behavior, address that behavior alone, NOT HER WHOLE LIFETIME OF WRONGDOINGS😡

If we think only adults have the self respect/ self esteem they need to defend, think again, people . That 4 footer has as much or more self respect than her mother and shameful biological father combined. That reflects in her actions " if you didn't care about me and my existence, I would give a rat's behind about you and your daughter" 👍🏼🤗is what she is saying to her shameful biological father👏And by putting that little girl on the spot, looking at her as a culprit from the get go or a horrible person, and making her apologize for a mistake she hasn't committed, Mauli just sold out her daughter's self respect and self esteem😡😭 It is heartbreaking to see that little girl literally singled out and fighting against the world including her mother😭

Sorry, Jhalak, if I have gone out of context in your post. Was lazy to post another topic. If Mehek is messing with my child, truly GOD HELP HER😡😡


May be this is all moot in the context of the new episode, I don't know😲
Have a good Holiday, guys!


You're forgetting something. Mauli did try to defend Mishti at first, but then Mahek told her about the bathroom incident.

And then Mauli asked Mishti if she did it or not, and she said yes. So of course Mauli will think that Mishti pushed Pari intentionally. If Mishti can lock Pari in the bathroom, she can also push her in the pool.

Nobody in Mauli's place would have believed Mishti after what she just heard. And she was so horrified and ashamed that she did what she thought was right on the spot. Parents are not superheroes or gods who can think so rationally all the time.

Sorry, but Mauli did nothing wrong. She was right in her place.
Edited by krystal_watz - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz


You're forgetting something. Mauli did try to defend Mishti at first, but then Mahek told her about the bathroom incident.

And then Mauli asked Mishti if she did it or not, and she said yes. So of course Mauli will think that Mishti pushed Pari intentionally. If Mishti can lock Pari in the bathroom, she can also push her in the pool.

Nobody in Mauli's place would have believed Mishti after what she just heard. And she was so horrified and ashamed that she did what she thought was right on the spot. Parents are not superheroes or gods who can think so rationally all the time.

Sorry, but Mauli did nothing wrong. She was right in her place.


@bold...Everybody can believe that Mishti can do this...but not Mauli. She is the mother. She is a mother . No one knows a child more than a mother. If a mother doesn't know her child then she is a shame to be called as mother.
In the first introduction of Mishti we saw what was Mishti. Every girl left Pari, but it was only Mishti who didn't left Pari. Which girl do this? Did Mehek did this when she was a child. Don't think so. A girl who leaves a 3-4 year old child beside a swimming pool is a careless woman. If she was in some foreign country other than India it is she who would get a punishment for negligence.Does she keep her precious money bag here and there, then how come her best friend's precious child. Money bag is more important to her than a child.

Mauli was wrong to Mishti. She didn't once thought that this is that daughter who was there with Pari, when no other girls at her age was there. And she raised her hand for that girl?????😡 She is wrong. If my mother blamed me for something I didn't do ...I'd never forgive her. Can you?
Edited by jhalak7 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: jhalak7


@bold...Everybody can believe that Mishti can do this...but not Mauli. She is the mother.She is a mother . No one knows a child more than a mother. If a mother doesn't know her child then she is a shame to be called as mother .
In the first introduction of Mishti we saw what was Mishti. Every girl left Pari, but it was only Mishti who didn't left Pari. Which girl do this? Did Mehek did this when she was a child. Don't think so. A girl who leaves a 3-4 year old child beside a swimming pool is a careless woman. If she was in some foreign country other than India it is she who would get a punishment for negligence.Does she keep her precious money bag here and there, then how come her best friend's precious child. Money bag is more important to her than a child.

Mauli was wrong to Mishti. She didn't once thought that this is that daughter who was there with Pari, when no other girls at her age was there. And she raised her hand for that girl?????😡 She is wrong. If my mother blamed me for something I didn't do ...I'd never forgive her. Can you?


@ Jhalak... Big hug 🤗to you for saying this. Wasn't sure if I should reply to this or not, to unnecessarily prolong this conversation, which has been beaten down to death😕. But couldn't help myself after seeing this particular quote from you. How true!!!!❤️ And, thanks for reminding me how Mishti was portrayed in her introduction scene.

@Krystal, not to refute you, my friend. But I am not sure if you are a parent or almost a parent ( now what is this? My sister considers herself as a parent to my child ❤️ and me vice versa). But moms belong to a different breed of creatures on this earth who will go to any lengths to defend our cubs. It may sound twisted to onlookers, including husbands, but they get their heads chewed off if they question a mom's logic in defense of their child. Like, for example, my husband complains that my daughter hasn't greeted so and so today. My answer would be " well you took her to that party even though you knew she didn't get her afternoon nap or she didn't get to have her snack, or you put her in the wrong car seat and xyz x n" other reasons for why she behaved poorly. We will never admit that they are wrong in public, moreover we will never put them on the spot, never accuse them without full evidences we have checked 100 times over and we still feel like we are " missing a link" in this and somehow our child is being implicated. You can't call moms crazy because of these antics, you just need understand simply, they are a MOM😃. I am sure all of us experienced this with our own moms in our lives, we really don't have to look any farther. I know in a show, we won't be privy to all these emotions, I am just saying this for the sake of clarification. What I am trying to get at is asking your child a "yes or no" question is not enough or becoming from a mother. That child is not a defendant in the well, and the mother is not a prosecuting attorney trying to prove the child as a culprit. Let me just leave it at that.

@ Sancheeta, I think we should start a moms club, missy😃. Also wanted to respond to you here from another post where you said you have become just as crazy as your child. My friend, you are doing great, you are not crazy, you are a mom by the above logic, and you are following your child's lead in what he wants to share with you and what gyan you want to impart in turn👍🏼Amazing, keep going, my lioness. And that " blah button" is real. That dastardly thing is available on Amazon for less than 10 dollars and has the most annoying voices saying blah, blah, blah...to you in 10 DIFFERENT VOICES🤔.

Haven't watched last few days, as busy with work. May be soon...😃
Good day, everyone.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@ Sancheeta, I think we should start a moms club, missy😃. Also wanted to respond to you here from another post where you said you have become just as crazy as your child. My friend, you are doing great, you are not crazy, you are a mom by the above logic, and you are following your child's lead in what he wants to share with you and what gyan you want to impart in turn👍🏼Amazing, keep going, my lioness. And that " blah button" is real. That dastardly thing is available on Amazon for less than 10 dollars and has the most annoying voices saying blah, blah, blah...to you in 10 DIFFERENT VOICES🤔.[/DIV]
Haven't watched last few days, as busy with work. May be soon...😃
Good day, everyone.


Are you serious 😲 I didn't know you get those on Amazon and they have kept it for so cheap! I'm glad I didn't know nothing about it until now and am even more glad my boy doesn't know about it.. you never know he might have asked for one as his Christmas gift
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Mili9: Well, I beg to differ on this. Not all moms are the same, and many times we have seen children being forced to apologize in public before their teachers or peers regarding some mistake they have done.

Your question, if I'm not mistaken, is that why did Mauli not believe Mishti or stand up for her. The thing is, she DID at first. She defended Mishti fiercely when Mahek accused her.

But when Mishti HERSELF admitted that she locked Pari in the bathroom, what should Mauli do? Defending Mishti there would make it look like she was trying to justify the child's act.

No mom would have defended her there, trust me. It would've been extremely insensitive to the other child to do so. What should've Mauli said, "Okay yeah Mishti just admitted to doing something horrible, but heck, let's still defend her".

Mili, you have to understand that locking Pari in a bathroom is not something simple and harmless like stealing a pencil or having a fight. It is a dangerous thing that Mishti did, and if Mauli continued to defend Mishti even after hearing it, then she'll be a horrible mom in my eyes. Then she'll be a mother who is blind to all her child's faults. Those kinds of mothers are not healthy for their children; they are the ones who go 'Aww mera raja beta' even when their sons beat their wives or rape a woman. That is not the kind of mother I want Mauli to be.


I'm not a mom, but I've been exposed to different kinds of parenting (my aunts, friends, neighbors, friends' moms) all my life. And I can safely tell you that covering up for your child's grave mistakes is one thing which would be considered bad parenting by almost every parent I know or have come across.

Once I used a bad word in my school for my peer in 1st standard. When my mother got to know about it from the teacher, she made me apologize for it before the teachers and the other student, even though I lied that I didn't do it. That taught me never to use bad words again in school.

Now, I'm not questioning your method of parenting, but covering up a child's mistakes will spoil them and lessen their sense of accountability in future. A mother cannot be blind in her affection, she has to treat the child as a defendant in a well if need be. That's called tough love, and that's what makes mothers, mothers.

Edited by krystal_watz - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Milli9:
Remember one thing:

"If you do not treat your child as a defendant in the well when he/she has done something gravely wrong, then that day will come when he/she will actually be a defendant in an actual court".


Just a paraphrasing of a childhood story we all read in school. It's better I treat my child as a culprit and defendant, before they get persecuted in an actual court. And that day, I'll be helpless.

I read numerous accounts of mothers of criminals rueing the day they let their children off lightly when they first started showing signs of delinquency. They were all like, "Waqt pe sakthi dikhate to aaj yeh din dekhne nahin parte".

A mother's job is not to shield her child and defend her at all costs. It's to do the unpopular thing, be the 'bad mommy' and do what is right. Because as I learned in my own life and from my friends' lives, 'bad mommies we all hate' ultimately make the best ones.

As my aunt once told me: "I don't need applause from my son. It's okay if he doesn't like me now. I don't want him to curse me when he's old".
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I have two takes on the views:
You should guide children when they make mistakes - they need to apologise.
But getting to the the crux to the problem is also required. You have to find the root cause and solve. Or kids will apologise and then they will make more serious crime.
Mar mar ke chal chamri utar dena is not right in no double meaning and i just cannot get over the phrase,

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