Allaudin Khilji and his 'heart'

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I was recently watching an interview where the interviewer tells Ranveer's Singh that Alauddin Khilji does have moments which display that his feelings for Padmavati aren't just lust. I think it was the interview with Faridoon Shahryar.
Does anyone else agree? If so, can you give examples from the movie that gave you that impression?

There is another interview of Faridoon Shahryar with AditiRao Hydari where she mentions that there is love between Allaudin Khilji and Mehrunisa.

Her response about how she sees "love" between the two of them (I.e. Allaudin Khillji and Mehrunisa) reminds me of Michael Fassbender's response when asked about Epps relationship with the slave girl Patsy in "12 years a slave". It was in an interview with Charlie Rose for the movie "12 years a slave", where when Michael Fassbender was asked what he thought about Epps's relationship with the slave girl Patsy, he says that Epps clearly had feelings for Patsy but he was so disgusted with himself for falling for a black slave that, in order to destroy or bury that love he feels for her, he lashes out at her with violence and abuse.

I really fail to see how abuse or rape is a sign of love. Allaudin Khillji kills Mehrunisa's dad, doesn't give a damn that she might be mourning and rapes her in the scene right after he's killed her dad. To top it all, he places her dad's head impaled on a spear for everyone in his court to see, including her! If anything, I actually interpreted it as a sign that he WANTED Mehrunisa to see her dad's head, just to mentally break her. It's a form of psychological abuse and he had clearly done that to get a personal kick out of her anguish, heartbreak and pain!

I think a lot of the times, actors or actresses taking on these roles want to humanise the monstrous characters that they have to play or interact with even if that wasn't the director's take on the character or even if it wasn't a part of the script. Don't get me wrong, I loved Ranveer Singh in this movie! If Padmavati is the spirit of the movie, Allaudin Khillji is the heartbeat! And I absolutely agree that Allaudin Khillji is quiet layered in the movie...he does have different shades to himself...but "heart of a lover" is something I will agree to disagree with. As an audience, that is something that I never felt coming from him.

Maybe if they put in a scene or two of him and Mehrunisa having or sharing an emotionally intimate moment, then the "heart of a lover" comment would make more sense. But they barely share that many moments and the ones that they do, tend to involve him bullying her or being dismissive of her in some way. There is not a single scene where you get the feeling, as an audience, that he felt something for her that was anywhere close to love or affection.

That being said, I do agree that she does end up winning his respect (not love!) in the end because going up against Allaudin Khillji takes courage and grit and for someone as delicate-looking on the outside as Mehrunisa, she is clearly strong on the inside in her own unique and feminine way. Love that about her! And can clearly see why he decided to imprison her instead of killing her where she stands!

Would love to see everybody else's take on his relationship with Mehrunisa and his "feelings" for Padmavati.

****Posted this in error in the Padmavati BO review thread but realized that this topic deserves a thread of its own. ****

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Posted: 7 years ago
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When you love or care for someone, even a slight flinch from their side troubles you. Let alone torturing them 24/7, 365 days.
These attempts to find something redeemable, however meagre that may be, in these negative characters seem futile to me, as the acts committed by these characters speak for themselves.

Fassbender's character in 'Twelve years a Slave' mercilessly whips her, rapes her, and yet he loves her? What kind of a twisted love is this, wherein you cause the person so much pain, so much trauma? He may have a soft spot for her, as she may be his favorite person to torture. Someone on whom he can unleash all his animal instintcs - her skin color providing him the perfect license. (Btw, great acting by both of them. I had to take breaks while watching this movie, as it got unbearable at times)

Same with Khilji. Mehrunisa is his wife, who seems more like his favorite toy. He rapes her, toys with her, sadistically mocks her, kills her family. He obviously enjoys her, doesn't matter that she doesn't. He is the living and breathing reason of everything that is wrong in her life.

I think, this 'favorite victim' syndrome is what is miscontrued as 'love' by those trying to find some redeemable traits in these bad guys. If you're his favorite victim, he may have feelings for you!

Its like saying, Ramsay Bolton - despite everything he did to Sansa, her home, her family still somewhere deep down had feelings for her. Just doesn't make sense.

Edited by Flame. - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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So now he has raped his wife also lol

What a disgusting article...making things up.

I get it..people are in pain because of his invasion...but dont make up things. lol
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Flame.

When you love or care for someone, even a slight flinch from their side troubles you. Let alone torturing them 24/7, 365 days.

These attempts to find something redeemable, however meagre that may be, in these negative characters seem futile to me, as the acts committed by these characters speak for themselves.

Fassbender's character in 'Twelve years a Slave' mercilessly whips her, rapes her, and yet he loves her? What kind of a twisted love is this, wherein you cause the person so much pain, so much trauma? He may have a soft spot for her, as she may be his favorite person to torture. Someone on whom he can unleash all his animal instintcs - her skin color providing him the perfect license. (Btw, great acting by both of them. I had to take breaks while watching this movie, as it got unbearable at times)

Same with Khilji. Mehrunisa is his wife, who seems more like his favorite toy. He rapes her, toys with her, sadistically mocks her, kills her family. He obviously enjoys her, doesn't matter that she doesn't. He is the living and breathing reason of everything that is wrong in her life.

I think, this 'favorite victim' syndrome is what is miscontrued as 'love' by those trying to find some redeemable traits in these bad guys. If you're his favorite victim, he may have feelings for you!

Its like saying, Ramsay Bolton - despite everything he did to Sansa, her home, her family still somewhere deep down had feelings for her. Just doesn't make sense.


So true! Couldn't agree more! I kinda think that it's just wishful thinking on the actor's part to assume that monstrous characters like this are abusing their victims from some misplaced sense of love.

In fact, there were so many instances in the movie, where I felt that the real slave to Allaudin Khilji is not Malik Khafur but Mehrunisa. Although she holds the title of a wife, the dynamic she shares with Allaudin is more like that of a master and his slave. Malik Khafur gets treated with a lot more respect than she does.

And this is something that Jim Sarbh himself mentioned in an interview. When the interviewer asked him if Malik khafur was jealous of both Padmavati and Mehrunisa, he clearly points out that Malik Khafur does not see Mehrunisa as a threat because he notices the scorn with which Allaudin treats Mehrunisa. He does however, mention that Malik Khafur does see Padmavati as a threat and therefore envies her.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I think allaudin had some kind of affection for mehrunnisa. The way he let her criticise him freely, he does have some feelings for her. She isn't just a nobody for him like everyone else. I don't know if it was love.
For padmavati, I think more than lust it was obsession. He couldn't even properly see her in the mirror. So it wasn't lust I think. Also the way he stood looking towards the fort, waiting for her to come . He waited the whole day I think . Was definitely obsession. Not love though .

However, I do think relationships based on love can be of different kinds . Not everybody respects the person they love. Somebody could be aggressive in love. I don't believe that anybody can give a strict definition as to what really a person in love must do. So I'm willing to believe what fassbender said.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: hippopotamus

So now he has raped his wife also lol

What a disgusting article...making things up.

I get it..people are in pain because of his invasion...but dont make up things. lol



*****Just wanted to make it very clear that this topic is a discussion of one aspect of the movie , i.e Allaudin Khilji and his ability to feel for his love-interests. This topic is not a discussion about the original poem or historical facts about Allaudin Khilji's life. I apologize if anyone took the topic of this discussion the wrong way*****
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Posted: 7 years ago
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See the Faridoon interview is the one where I think Aditi mentions that the affection Alauddin has for Mehru stems from them being friends since childhood as she says that they grew up together being cousins. Now I dunno if there were any such scenes shot for the movie, but this could be the character brief she got from SLB. Maybe it is for this reason that Alauddin lets her barbs and taunts go unpunished because of their childhood friendship.
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Originally posted by: astha36

I think allaudin had some kind of affection for mehrunnisa. The way he let her criticise him freely, he does have some feelings for her. She isn't just a nobody for him like everyone else. I don't know if it was love.

For padmavati, I think more than lust it was obsession. He couldn't even properly see her in the mirror. So it wasn't lust I think. Also the way he stood looking towards the fort, waiting for her to come . He waited the whole day I think . Was definitely obsession. Not love though .

However, I do think relationships based on love can be of different kinds . Not everybody respects the person they love. Somebody could be aggressive in love. I don't believe that anybody can give a strict definition as to what really a person in love must do. So I'm willing to believe what fassbender said.


Padmavati was an obsession cause she was, as he was led to believe, interlinked to his destiny and his imperialistic ambitions. The lust for capturing something rare and precious was only one aspect of his obsession with Padmavati.

Even the real Alauddin was an absolute imperialist at heart with grand visions of conquering the world.
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Originally posted by: Sarah007


So true! Couldn't agree more! I kinda think that it's just wishful thinking on the actor's part to assume that monstrous characters like this are abusing their victims from some misplaced sense of love.

In fact, there were so many instances in the movie, where I felt that the real slave to Allaudin Khilji is not Malik Khafur but Mehrunisa. Although she holds the title of a wife, the dynamic she shares with Allaudin is more like that of a master and his slave. Malik Khafur gets treated with a lot more respect than she does.

And this is something that Jim Sarbh himself mentioned in an interview. When the interviewer asked him if Malik khafur was jealous of both Padmavati and Mehrunisa, he clearly points out that Malik Khafur does not see Mehrunisa as a threat because he notices the scorn with which Allaudin treats Mehrunisa. He does however, mention that Malik Khafur does see Padmavati as a threat and therefore envies her.


I wonder why? Why do some of these actors try to show us a side of these characters that remains absent while watching them on the screen? Is it because their real life genuinely romantic hearts refuse to believe this level of cruelty? Despite such cruelty existing everywhere is today's world. Blacks were treated badly by the whites, rulers as cruel as Khilji is shown in the film existed, so why look at them through rose tinted glasses? It just seems so unnecessary to me.

Malik Kafur wants to be the object of Khilji's affection and romantic love, and not of his sadism and cruelty. No wonder he doesnt see Mehrunisa as a threat. Even if he had managed to take Padmavati, I think she would just be his new favorite toy, until he found a new one, because whatever he had for her didnt seem like love or affection. So, I think Kafur didnt really need to worry much about Padmavati either 😆
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Originally posted by: Eggon_Snow

See the Faridoon interview is the one where I think Aditi mentions that the affection Alauddin has for Mehru stems from them being friends since childhood as she says that they grew up together being cousins. Now I dunno if there were any such scenes shot for the movie, but this could be the character brief she got from SLB. Maybe it is for this reason that Alauddin lets her barbs and taunts go unpunished because of their childhood friendship.


Even if they were friends since childhood, is it truly love from his side? She is his oldest friend who becomes his wife, and then his favorite toy. Knowing her for so long - he may be the most comfortable around her. Perhaps, thats the reason he lets her taunt him, as she is the closest to him. But love? Terming it love seems gigantic amounts of wishful thinking.

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