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Posted: 8 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

Jhanvi had thought that marriage would change things for Maya...she pretty much said exactly the same thing to her attacker, which makes me believe that Maya attacked Jhanvi n caused her accident...


.I wonder what excuses/praises etc will come up for Maya once/if that gets proven😉


maya is definitely the killer even rhough its not shown
Anything and everything which comes between or separates arya,then maya will kill them.This theory applies for pandit,ashwim and janvi
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: kkrnightriders


See Maya can be cured but not all of a sudden.Her family background is actually related to maya's sach.Arjun should gradually convince her to take a psychiatric help.initially she won't go but once the treatment starts,slowly there will be gradual changes in her behaviour.BUT MOST IMPORTANT THING IS SAANJH SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM ARYA AND THEIR LIFE!!!ONCE maya's become a mother she will heal slowly and with arjun's care and support maya can be a completely normal person.Jhanvi's thinling was not wrong here
she has already faced the worst so she doesn't want such a life partner for maya.Maya's main insecurity is arjun will leave her which only Arjun can handle with his love and care.Inshort maya's disease is curable only if ARJUN TAKES A PROPER STAND!!!!


@Fernandes @red: He had said that out of his anger but after stopping Maya from harming herself he told VM not to talk about Saanjh or Ayaan to her which will aggravate her anger and whatever hopes are there, even that will be lost.

@kkknightriders Saanjh needs to stay away from arya as maya finds a competitor/rival in Saanjh. She had given a chance to Saanjh saying that she can meet Arjun but has to be within her limits. Arjun has to behave sensibly and responsibly so he can gain and maintain her trust. Jhanvi's thinking is now wrong. Any mother in that position would think in that way.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: kavsy


@Fernandes @red: He had said that out of his anger but after stopping Maya from harming herself he told VM not to talk about Saanjh or Ayaan to her which will aggravate her anger and whatever hopes are there, even that will be lost.

@kkknightriders Saanjh needs to stay away from arya as maya finds a competitor/rival in Saanjh. She had given a chance to Saanjh saying that she can meet Arjun but has to be within her limits. Arjun has to behave sensibly and responsibly so he can gain and maintain her trust. Jhanvi's thinking is now wrong. Any mother in that position would think in that way.


I totally agree with u kavitha but jhanvi is at fault too.She should have told arjun maya's phyciatric history even though maya's opposed her
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: kavsy


@Fernandes @red: He had said that out of his anger but after stopping Maya from harming herself he told VM not to talk about Saanjh or Ayaan to her which will aggravate her anger and whatever hopes are there, even that will be lost.

@kkknightriders Saanjh needs to stay away from arya as maya finds a competitor/rival in Saanjh. She had given a chance to Saanjh saying that she can meet Arjun but has to be within her limits. Arjun has to behave sensibly and responsibly so he can gain and maintain her trust. Jhanvi's thinking is now wrong. Any mother in that position would think in that way.


Actually maya's was genuinly working on their relationship after marriage.even with vandana she tried tomend their relationship.BUT VANDANA'S HATRED TOWARDS MAYA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TODAY CONDITION.at that tym maya's was not acting at all
she just wanted go be a perfect vadhu but vandana's supertitious belief was too much.like maya even VANDANA IS SCARED TO LOSE ARJUN. HERE BOTH MIL& DILL Have same insecurity of loosing arjun .
BECHARA DUFFER KE LIYE MUJHE BURA LAG RAHA HAI
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abhimanyu maya kya kami this jab ye sychp version of maya's samay aayi gaya
He is using sanjh as a pawn to destroy arya's relationship and somewhere,SAANJH also dances to his tunes like the same way arjun dances on maya's tune.IF this goes this way its better SAANJH DESERVES SOMEONE MORE DESERVING AND SHE SHOULD STOP HER ARJUN JAAP ALL THE TIMES
ARJUN IS A MARRIED PERDON KNOW NOT HER CHILDHOOD BEST FRIEND.THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT TO EVERY RELATIONSHIP.SAANJH HAS A CAREER AND A VERY GOOD SUPPORTING FAMILY
SO SHE DHOULD NOT POKE NOSE IN THEIR MATTER.ARYA ARE CAPABLE OF DEALING THIS MATTER ON THEIR OWN.BOTH JHANVI AND VANDANA FAILED IN THROUGH SECTION OF RAISING CHILDREN AND THEY ARE THE SOLE REASON WHETE ARYA'S RELATIONSHIP STANDS!!"""""""!!!!!!"
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Posted: 8 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: .annihilation.


Hey Dhrishti! Long time, no see? 😳😆 I actually did the following write up for my thread but realized that it'd make for a reply for your topic as well. Just my two cents (a lot more than just two actually 😆) that I thought I could afford sharing at your thread.


Tum kisi ki dawaa nahi ban sakte'

Ever since Maya told that to Arjun, that dialogue's been bugging me so much. If that'd be reality and I'd be present in that scenario, I'd go up to May and tell her, jo khud zehr ho uski koi kya dawaa banega?' It's a different case that'd I have called upon my death though. 😆 Sounding too harsh and critical, am I? No. Allow me to explain how. Firstly, this notion or the idea about one person becoming another person's cure is a farcical and fallacious one to the core, in my opinion. What am I about to explain is basically meant for real life situations and people, of course but then isn't fiction inspired from real? It is.

For instance, let's assume a hypothetical scenario where you're physically sick. Say, you have a headache or a stomach ache or just about any pain in any area of your body. What do you do? Do you expect your parents, your family, your friends, your boyfriend or anyone else in your general vicinity to somehow just heal' or cure' you from your sickness? No, you don't. You consult a doctor and get yourself treated.

Another instance, you just suffered a terrible accident, are critically injured and nearly escaped death. Now, you're not in a position to get yourself to the Hospital in order to save your life. It becomes the moral, civil and human responsibility of anyone who finds you in that condition to see it to that you're taken to a Hospital.

One more, let's say you're diagnosed to be having cancer, potentially in it's critical stage. There's a chance of recovery but a bleak one. What do you do? Go upto your parents, your family, your husband, your friend, your boyfriend, any of your loved one and ask them to be your cure? Tell them that they're responsible for your healing? No. You don't. You do whatever is that you can to beat cancer if it's beatable or just accept your fate.

Similarly, mental illness of any kind is like the cancer of your brain, your mind. The kind of cancer it is, its stage, its degree, its criticality, its treatment, they all depend on what that said mental illness exactly is. To say or expect or demand your cure or healing from another human being because he/she loves you or cares for you is a notion that should be nipped right in the bud. Let's for a moment step into the shoes of the person you're a responsibility of. Do we realize the incredible amount of pressure we're placing on them? Do we realize the magnitude of guilt they'll feel if they're to ever fail in any of their efforts? Do we realize the extent of confusion they might feel because even though they try so hard, they can't understand everything there is to it all? Can we fathom the intensity of the pain they must feel because they know they're helpless after a point and they can't bear seeing their loved one in so much agony?

Am I suggesting that loved ones of people suffering from mental illnesses do not have any responsibility towards them? HELL NO. Families, friends, loved one's, coworkers etc have all the moral and civil responsibility on their shoulders to be empathetic to their pain, understand them as much as they can, stand by them, stick to them and support them in any and every manner they can. Not to shun them, not to ridicule or mock them, not to insult them or label them, not to discourage them and never to make their condition or situation worse than it already may be.

This is precisely why I liked yesterday's episode, particularly the Jhanvi-Maya and Arjun-Vandana bits. Because in those particular scenes, all I could see was a daughter and a son breaking down in front of their respective mothers, letting it all the pent up emotions out, just pouring their hearts out to them. I absolutely LOVED how Jhanvi despite everything Maya subjected Jhanvi to, she was only a mother to her in that moment. Shedding tears with her, feeling her pain just as much and just giving her the comfort she could provide even in that paralyzed condition of hers. Exactly the same for Vandana, she wasn't judgemental, she wasn't critical, she was just being there for Arjun and letting her son pour his heart out. All of it may not make complete sense with the context of the story and the characters but like I said, it didn't matter to me as all I could see was when everyone and everything failed two people, they found home in their respective loved ones; parents.

Now, I may think that Maya's a psychopath, in all probability, a born psychopath. Others may think her mental illness/personality disorder is something different. Whichever the case might be, I believe we ought to unanimously agree that Maya's an unpredictable, dangerous and savage person to be with. A lethal combination of beemari (disease) and burayi (evil) with burayi taking up a greater precedence and proportion over beemari. Given everything Maya's subjected Arjun and his family to, given every criminal deed of hers, given how no human being is capable of healing' or curing' her by themselves alone, I'd not expect Arjun to continue to stand by Maya. That's extremely unfair and wrong on so many levels. And more so because Arjun has tried every possible thing (except for one thing; taking her to a psychiatrist/psychologist but that's something we don't know if he ever did or at least tried to) he could for Maya. Despite it all, he's still willing to be there for her in whatever way he can even if it means to be forever remain physically and mental caged.


The fact that remains is Maya's case has gone far beyond anyone's help, support or understanding, whatever her condition may be, she NEEDS to be institutionalised in a mental care facility/asylum because she's a danger to herself and everyone around her. Once she's been diagnosed, and treated if her condition is curable can it be determined whether or not she's capable of leading a normal life from thereon. She also needs to serve whatever punishment the law deems fits for her share of criminal offences, imo.


Hi! It's been a while, I'm glad to see you around. The Sarabhai edit on your signature makes me all jittery, less than two weeks to go. Anyway, back to Beyhadh 😆

Your post is quite eye-opening, perhaps knocked some sense into me very smarty. Fuchsia - While I do not believe a person's love or affection could cure an ill person's sickness, I do think it would be very efficient and helpful to the patient as emotional and moral support from your loved ones is always required.

I think these examples are all very sensible, while a person could not substitute chemotherapy, they could make it much more tolerable for the person undergoing it. Whether the patient is wallowing in sorrow or building courage to get through their problems is highly dependent on their lifestyle and personal beliefs, but also the support provided by family/friends.

I loved the Maya-Jhanvi and Arjun-Vandana scene as well, all the reasons having being impeccably covered in your post.

Mustard - Here comes the part I'd beg to differ. I do not believe Maya is a born psychopath, in my opinion, nobody truly is. I do believe that this side of Maya's personality was developed very early in life, but a born psychopath? Nuh uh. Prussian blue - And once again, we're on the same page here. This is exactly what I currently believe. Scarlet - Despite the text being enclosed in brackets, I think it's almost fundamental for that to be clarified, whether Arjun tried really matters.

That's about it I guess, thanks for sharing your post here.
Until next time Husna! 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: kavsy


@Fernandes @red: He had said that out of his anger but after stopping Maya from harming herself he told VM not to talk about Saanjh or Ayaan to her which will aggravate her anger and whatever hopes are there, even that will be lost.

@kkknightriders Saanjh needs to stay away from arya as maya finds a competitor/rival in Saanjh. She had given a chance to Saanjh saying that she can meet Arjun but has to be within her limits. Arjun has to behave sensibly and responsibly so he can gain and maintain her trust. Jhanvi's thinking is now wrong. Any mother in that position would think in that way.


Absolutely correct analysis kavitha!!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#48
@drishti and husna
i think we should all apply to the post of cv's beyhadh
Bcoz we all are doing thesis/phd on maya.
MAYA KE MAYAJAAL SE KOI NAHI BACK SAKTA...HUM VIEWERS KA BHI BEJA FRY KIYA HAI

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