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Posted: 8 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: SaurabhKiRadha

Balanced n sensible post .

Thank you dear😳
Personally i will never able to live with person like Maya /male version of maya as spouse /frn/relative . I will advise her to seek medical help n keep safe distance to avoid myself from getting manipulatied or controlled or isolated. Every one needs their freedom.
Exactly in reality we all need freedom and to live with a genuine person. I think manipulation is worst than bad also. Because when you are bad atleast you show the person your real side but a person who manipulates is like haathi ke daant khane ke aur dikhane ke aur. U r literally befooling the person which is totally unacceptable.


I can't be like saanjh too ,
1 i will never fall for arjun after interacting with him , he can be part of frn circle to hang out . Any girl can get physically attracted to him . But due to his attitude n selfish nature its hard to fall in love with him . He is not evil , very flawed ckt n worst thing very dumb too to buy fake abortion .
When we fall in love, we just fall in love we dont plan for it but it happens by itself. That's what has happened to Saanjh too. However seeing the person he is, surely no one can ever fall in love with him.


2 after getting ill treatment n unnecessary insult , i don't unstd how saanjh can have soft feelings for him ?
All her life she gave priority to that dumb fellow, allowing herself to get exploited as frn , only to take his insult most often without any proof n without fault and still she is capable to love him !! This is not selfless love it is stupidity.
Chalo saanjh ko pyaar hua tu hua but she should get out of it by the way he behaves with her. He treats her as a robot. Jab chaha dukhi kahani sunai apni jab chaha daanta jab chaha pyar se baat kiya. 🥱

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Posted: 8 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: lumos_31

Excellent post and much needed too!

Thank you😳
Nobody would want to live with a person like maya and 'heal' her knowing that that person is out to destroy their life's happiness. We are all humans after all, n human nature is to safeguard ourselves from any kind of mental/physical torture that may be inflicted upon us. Vandana is expected to accept maya and give her love, wait...Isn't Arjun giving her love? Didn't Saanjh give her love? Didn't Ayaan give her love? What did maya do with the love? The ppl who cannot accept human mistakes accept manipulations and things as evil as what Maya has done, and continue to find justifications for the same. Also, let's not forget that vandana wholeheartedly accepted Maya earlier knowing that she was Arjun's choice. But the events that followed were too much for a mother to stay calm.

@bold: Exactly! People abuse saanjh saying any wife would feel jealous seeing saanjh closeness saanjh shouldn't be close but same people justify Maya's manipulations😕 so weird
And it's our human nature to protect ourselves first and be away from any kind of drama

Vandana's fears were absolutely valid but the way she dealt with them was highly illogical n stupid. She spoke everytime without proof.

Saanjh too had to realise that her bestie is a married man now. There is a difference in how she should behave with him. Though I don't blame her for dancing with Arjun or almost kissing him in the restaurant, i do feel that she shouldn't have put colour on Arjun before Maya.

I agree!!

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Posted: 8 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: ..Armaania..


That is so true!! She really doesn't know what is true love but theperson whom she has fallen in love is so dumb and selfish that I dont think she'll ever know what true love is.

Yes, she won't know what true love is unless she gets the able guidance. Sadly, no one could be a true friend to her who would accept her as she is and win her trust so the person will be able to tell her what is right and what is wrong and what true love is all about. I wish the CV's introduce a new character in her life to do and makes him/her successful.


Every one deserves a second chance for sure. It's very hard to change your ideology but not impossible. Even the flower needs favourable environment to bloom so how can we expect Maya to be all normal when the past was so horrible. But it surely doesn't justify not leaving other flowers to bloom. She literally feels jealous of everything associated to her love Arjun and wants to make sure everyone is under her. Even if she wanted to win Vandana she was playing the sugary game. Not only by dictatorship you can control anyone, you can do that even by being extremely sweet caring and fulfiling their needs. It looks as if you are submissive to them but in reality they are the ones submissive to you indirectly. Basically at the moment she wants control because she has only tasted dominance.

Maya's past is horrible. She is made to believe that she is bad and mad whereas she does have a soft side too. She not only gave a job to Arjun but also tolerated his unprofessional behavior which she would not tolerate with other staff members. She was not in love with Arjun at that time. She hated him & didn't even want to look at his face. She developed the feelings for Arjun only after he saved her from Ashwin. She desperately needed help to overcome her fears. Any woman in that position would find the solace in that person who rescues her from the tyrant. Maya's ways cannot be justified about the way she goes & gets the things she wants but who was there to show her the right path is the question. She was ready to let go of her past & leave her manipulative ways. She wasn't playing any games earlier but Vandana didn't give any scope for that. She was sweet and caring initially but had become a favorite punching bag for her instead. Even if she was playing a game if Vandana had accepted her and given her a chance, do you think her plans would have worked? Vandana has been a nurse. So she definitely would be having at least some idea how to deal with people but she didn't use her brains. She is an emotional fool.


I agree with the rest of the points. I partly agree and partly disagree with the points that are answered in green.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi this is a most sensible post I have red...completelying agree with every word written.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I have been watching Beyhahd for a while now. During the initial days, I checked out the forum and to be honest, the posts kinda scared me away. I have a lot of opinions on all the characters and I love a good character/ episode analysis but the negativity here kinda put me off.

Personally, I feel that members here are not able to differentiate between Jenny and Maya. Their love for Jenny seeps into their defence of Maya and they justify actions that are frankly abhorrent. This is my first show where I am following any of the actors. I had quit DMG long ago before Jenny made an entry, I haven't watched any of Aneri's shows and I kinda thought Kushal was a brat during his Bigg Boss days. I wasn't a fan of any of these people and I came with a clean slate.

Beyhahd promised to be a thriller. It was intriguing. It was different. While a love story was supposed to be a part of the main plot, it wasn't all it was supposed to be. The love aspect was supposed to be incidental to the whole story. It is about obsession, about control, about how our past shapes our present and out future. It is also about the mistakes of the youth, the allure of short cuts to success and the consequences once the illusion shatters. It's about one sided love and how you maintain your friendship in the face of love, and how difficult it gets and how you slip up sometimes. It's about the failure of the parents and their vain attempts to stop their children from making mistakes.

What it is not is about ArYa or SaJun. If I wanted a love story, there are hundreds of them on every other channel. How boring would it be if Amy in Gone Girl just turned into a goody two shoes? The book packed a punch because the author wasn't afraid to show a psychotic protagonist who goes to any length to get what she wants. I hated her. But she was the hero. She was the whole book. Same way, Maya is supposed to be psychotic. She had a horrible childhood. She had a good for nothing mother who gave her no help. She was abused. She coped how she could. She is a control freak, somebody who just wants to win. She does/is doing things that are on the wrong end of the moral spectrum. I don't agree with her actions. But I still understand where she is coming from.

Irrespective of that, she isn't justified. What she needs right now is some help. Yes she also needs some TLC but that won't do shit for her unless she gets some professional help. She needs to figure herself out, understand who she is without all of the external influences surrounding her. With Arjun, she is searching for something that she thinks she needs. May be he is t what she needs. She needs to introspect her life, her happiness. If Arjun is unhappy and she doesn't care about that, all she wants is to cage him then it isn't love in the first place. She may not know it because she has a really warped view of love but irrespective of that, what she feels isn't love.

As far as Saanjh is concerned, I personally see no problem in her hugging Arjun. It's just a hug. This is the twenty first century. You are allowed to hug your friends. It's not a big deal. I am friends with my exes who are married and I hug them when I meet them. It's not a big deal. That does not make her characterless and that does not imply that she is going to sleep with Arjun. That being said, the Holi sequence was messed up. I think that it was extremely presumptive of her to colour Arjun first. He is married and that right should go to Maya. Also the whole song sequence was not okay. I feel both of them crossed a line there. But you know, if this happened with me, I'd talk to the friend and let her know I wasn't comfortable with the situation. But Maya manipulated the situation and there in lies the whole concept of the story. That Maya's mind doesn't work like us. She doesn't see a problem and thinks to solve it and forget about it. She sees a problem and instantly destroys it.

Beyhadh is about Maya. It isn't about Arjun or Saanjh or Vandana or Ashwin. It's about Maya and her faults and her pains. It's about Maya's abuse and her obsession. It's about her virtues and vices. So if a show is revolving around a particular character, I am going to find the good and the bad in her. I am going to berate her if I feel she is a manipulative control freak and I am going to feel bad for her at the same time because if only she had gotten help she wouldn't have to be like this. Expressing my views shouldn't start a war.

P.S. The only reason I decided to comment today is because yours is the first post that I came across devoid of any negativity. I love a healthy debate but super aggression kinda scares me off. I guess I am a chicken that way. :)
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..Armaania..


Thank you so much.😳
You know I'm a silent reader of this forum and I personally love all your posts and opinion. It's lovely reading your analysis😳


Thank you so much! 😳 Glad you liked them. (:
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Posted: 8 years ago
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There are several real life instances where a son is separated from the family by their DIL and somehow in few cases family itself is responsible for it so called normal and sound minded women do that and its completely wrong. Maya is tagged evil because she separated a mother and a son? Arjun didn't consider Vandana her mother for several years who was responsible for it? Maya? or Arjun himself? Maya was changing for better if Vandana has given her chance to change if she has accepted her, Maya won't have separated a son from her mother that's for sure! No DIL will bear trash being thrown on her no matter what that was beyond disgrace and no sane husband can bear his wife being treated as a trash by his family. In life its mostly Give and Take. Respect others and u will earn their respect. Maya is considered psychopath as she want to control people around her...what Maya can't accept is dishonesty...she doesn't like to be cheated on...as Arjun cheated on her and lied to her he had to bear the consequences still I'm not saying Maya is right but she is not completely wrong its the circumstances most of the times alongwith Maya's mind state...Now what make Sanjh go after Arjun every single time and act as a person with no self esteem or even no moral ethics she has parents who love her unconditionally why a man's love who doesn't value her love is most important for her? What's the logic behind it? For Maya's actions there is somehow a logic, though her actions are wrong but there is reason behind it..Sanjh's illogical approach depicts poor characterization of her character...Sometimes what we consider dark is gray which is a combination of white and black..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: richa1792

I have been watching Beyhahd for a while now. During the initial days, I checked out the forum and to be honest, the posts kinda scared me away. I have a lot of opinions on all the characters and I love a good character/ episode analysis but the negativity here kinda put me off.

Personally, I feel that members here are not able to differentiate between Jenny and Maya. Their love for Jenny seeps into their defence of Maya and they justify actions that are frankly abhorrent. This is my first show where I am following any of the actors. I had quit DMG long ago before Jenny made an entry, I haven't watched any of Aneri's shows and I kinda thought Kushal was a brat during his Bigg Boss days. I wasn't a fan of any of these people and I came with a clean slate.

Beyhahd promised to be a thriller. It was intriguing. It was different. While a love story was supposed to be a part of the main plot, it wasn't all it was supposed to be. The love aspect was supposed to be incidental to the whole story. It is about obsession, about control, about how our past shapes our present and out future. It is also about the mistakes of the youth, the allure of short cuts to success and the consequences once the illusion shatters. It's about one sided love and how you maintain your friendship in the face of love, and how difficult it gets and how you slip up sometimes. It's about the failure of the parents and their vain attempts to stop their children from making mistakes.

What it is not is about ArYa or SaJun. If I wanted a love story, there are hundreds of them on every other channel. How boring would it be if Amy in Gone Girl just turned into a goody two shoes? The book packed a punch because the author wasn't afraid to show a psychotic protagonist who goes to any length to get what she wants. I hated her. But she was the hero. She was the whole book. Same way, Maya is supposed to be psychotic. She had a horrible childhood. She had a good for nothing mother who gave her no help. She was abused. She coped how she could. She is a control freak, somebody who just wants to win. She does/is doing things that are on the wrong end of the moral spectrum. I don't agree with her actions. But I still understand where she is coming from.

Irrespective of that, she isn't justified. What she needs right now is some help. Yes she also needs some TLC but that won't do shit for her unless she gets some professional help. She needs to figure herself out, understand who she is without all of the external influences surrounding her. With Arjun, she is searching for something that she thinks she needs. May be he is t what she needs. She needs to introspect her life, her happiness. If Arjun is unhappy and she doesn't care about that, all she wants is to cage him then it isn't love in the first place. She may not know it because she has a really warped view of love but irrespective of that, what she feels isn't love.

As far as Saanjh is concerned, I personally see no problem in her hugging Arjun. It's just a hug. This is the twenty first century. You are allowed to hug your friends. It's not a big deal. I am friends with my exes who are married and I hug them when I meet them. It's not a big deal. That does not make her characterless and that does not imply that she is going to sleep with Arjun. That being said, the Holi sequence was messed up. I think that it was extremely presumptive of her to colour Arjun first. He is married and that right should go to Maya. Also the whole song sequence was not okay. I feel both of them crossed a line there. But you know, if this happened with me, I'd talk to the friend and let her know I wasn't comfortable with the situation. But Maya manipulated the situation and there in lies the whole concept of the story. That Maya's mind doesn't work like us. She doesn't see a problem and thinks to solve it and forget about it. She sees a problem and instantly destroys it.

Beyhadh is about Maya. It isn't about Arjun or Saanjh or Vandana or Ashwin. It's about Maya and her faults and her pains. It's about Maya's abuse and her obsession. It's about her virtues and vices. So if a show is revolving around a particular character, I am going to find the good and the bad in her. I am going to berate her if I feel she is a manipulative control freak and I am going to feel bad for her at the same time because if only she had gotten help she wouldn't have to be like this. Expressing my views shouldn't start a war.

P.S. The only reason I decided to comment today is because yours is the first post that I came across devoid of any negativity. I love a healthy debate but super aggression kinda scares me off. I guess I am a chicken that way. :)


I'm really sorry for replying so late as I rarely participate in the forum or log in. But now when I logged in and read your post, it's BRAVO 👏 U have explained everything so beautifully and completely. These are exactly my views. It is not about ArYa SaJun etc etc it's about all the things you mentioned above. Just because a character like Maya is rarely seen so we exempt her even for wrong doings? And just because Saanjh is a typical normal thinking girl so she doesn't deserve reciprocated love? I don't know on what basis do we even decide all this stuffs.

Maya is the hero and villain both. It depends how you trigger her. Before the leap I could understand her atleast sometimes but after the leap I have no idea what is going on.
Anyways loved your post and views. Thanks alot for commenting. And I'm glad atleast you commented on my post😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ShadowImbue

There are several real life instances where a son is separated from the family by their DIL and somehow in few cases family itself is responsible for it so called normal and sound minded women do that and its completely wrong. Maya is tagged evil because she separated a mother and a son? Arjun didn't consider Vandana her mother for several years who was responsible for it? Maya? or Arjun himself? Maya was changing for better if Vandana has given her chance to change if she has accepted her, Maya won't have separated a son from her mother that's for sure! No DIL will bear trash being thrown on her no matter what that was beyond disgrace and no sane husband can bear his wife being treated as a trash by his family. In life its mostly Give and Take. Respect others and u will earn their respect. Maya is considered psychopath as she want to control people around her...what Maya can't accept is dishonesty...she doesn't like to be cheated on...as Arjun cheated on her and lied to her he had to bear the consequences still I'm not saying Maya is right but she is not completely wrong its the circumstances most of the times alongwith Maya's mind state...Now what make Sanjh go after Arjun every single time and act as a person with no self esteem or even no moral ethics she has parents who love her unconditionally why a man's love who doesn't value her love is most important for her? What's the logic behind it? For Maya's actions there is somehow a logic, though her actions are wrong but there is reason behind it..Sanjh's illogical approach depicts poor characterization of her character...Sometimes what we consider dark is gray which is a combination of white and black..


In this thread only I dont know to whom exactly but I had mentioned that Arjun really deserved the separation anyway because he didnt care for his mother and called her home as "1 bedroom middle class home". Another thing is just because Arjun hated his mother doesn't give any right to Maya to do the separation or it justifies her actions. So I feel in this thing she was wrong. Maya is hero and the villain both. It depends how you trigger her. Until and unless you are going on her way she will have a soft corner for you and try to be normal but the moment you go a bit against her thinking, there she gets beyhadh and like a volcano in seconds does something destructive. As you said Maya is not completely wrong.

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