Can a relationship be based on Manipulation? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Nietzy

I think Maya is already paying it. She is married to Arjun, but he runs behind other gals. Her mother is in coma. Dese two ppl matter a lot to her n tho she has both, she doesn't have both.

Just as in karma, i hope God gives her atleast a little happiness for what she has borne in her childhood.

Rest of d characters r no saints n i hope dy too pay up accordingly.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Arjun is not cheating maya. He is flirting with girls. Flirting isn't equal to cheating. Now maya being insecure get affected by it. I don't think it's a huge problem maya is facing.

I agree with respect jhanvi. But there is lot of mystery behind it. Jhanvi will be out of coma then things will be crystal clear.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Arjun is not cheating maya. He is flirting with girls. Flirting isn't equal to cheating. Now maya being insecure get affected by it. I don't think it's a huge problem maya is facing.

I agree with respect jhanvi. But there is lot of mystery behind it. Jhanvi will be out of coma then things will be crystal clear.

Originally posted by: Nietzy

R u trying to tell me dt normal wives wudn't be affected? Itz just Maya who is getting affected coz of her insecurities?

V both r on complete diff pages... i don't even know how to debate on dis point... i hope u r gal.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Arjun is not cheating maya. He is flirting with girls. Flirting isn't equal to cheating. Now maya being insecure get affected by it. I don't think it's a huge problem maya is facing.

I agree with respect jhanvi. But there is lot of mystery behind it. Jhanvi will be out of coma then things will be crystal clear.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Everyone has reasons to behave the way they behaved. I m sure maya also has reasons, how long can the tricks she applies can work upon! She got hurt by vandana s behaviour. This is natural. Fighting with vandana is also natural. But maya never fights. She plays with mind. She manages to get worst side of human being. Tomorrow it's saanjh turn, saanjh will just behave like vandana going to expose maya and end up falling more deep in the trap. This will lead to end of dusky duffer friendship.

Lie has to get exposed one day. Maya has to get unmasked one day. What will happen that day? Will anybody able to trust her again? How she will face arjun? How long she will get away by justifying her actions in front of ganesh idol?

Originally posted by: CaputDraconis

Why does Maya cling onto a thankless low life like Arjun? If she was normal, she would have divorced him or not chosen him as a life partner at all. If she really loved Arjun, she'd be totally upfront and explained to him how their closeness makes her feel like. She'd not have played mind games and separated everyone from his life.

But then, she isn't normal in the first place. All she wants is to posses and control the people she has taken a liking to. That's not love at all.

The biggest provocateur is Maya herself. She blames the victims and goes around sabotaging their lives so that she can live peacefully.

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Hiding ur shortcomings is different from art of Manipulation.

Everything depends on the shortcomings and on how another person relates to this, no?

You hide your shortcomings, you create the illusion of yourself for another person, you pretend to be who you aren't

This concealment of shortcomings, its flaws (the sizes of which can be very different), but also this creation of illusion, manipulation of another's perception, an attempt to impose a non-existent image

Among other things, it's a lie too

If you want to consider everything from the point of view of an ideally clean world and crystal clear relationships

Well Vandana was triggered by maya to react in that day. That was entire acting to show vandana in bad light so arjun breaks his relations with vandana. Saanjh never took advantage of his drunken state. She loves him and for a second she was about to slip. If she wanted to take advantage she wouldn't have left him. Arjun was wrong but he was being childish. He was definitely wrong for which he got lesson by maya. I support maya there.

Well, Vandana didn't accept her Bahu (and the devil with that in fact) threw Maya's clothes off the floor, mocked the wound, insulted, humiliated, deny in God's support to Maya (and this is supposedly a believer!)

Is this not enough for you?

Maya showed it? And if Vandana is right, why be ashamed? Why lower your eyes in the presence of society? Tell the whole street loud, how right you are. Declare that your actions don't go beyond ethics and morality of behavior. Can't? Why?

Maya didn't give her a bucket in her hands. Vandana took both of these buckets herself. Clothes threw away. Watered Maya with water. Threw away the garbage on Maya. Herself before God, in God's support to another has refused

If really karma is, then for the last time should ask with particular fury. Vandana is not a God to make decisions instead of God (for a believing person, this is the height of hypocrisy)

Saanj provokes Arjun to lie to Maya, Saanj invites married man in the late evening to the restaurant, Saanj allows him to get drunk and carry a total nonsense, lost control for a moment, well, yes, from a kiss, Saanj stopped only a tattoo! Tattoo! No tattoo is needed, if there is at least a drop of education and decency. And by the way, Saanj accept Maya as friend, and did up such things with Maya's husband behind her back

What about the quality of friendship? What about betrayal?

Saanj again and again climbs into the relationship of a married couple, choosing a name for their child

Isn't that enough? Remember the wonderful Holi? Just don't have to bhang and manipulation, it all started long before that

Why can't anybody trust them. They will tell on my face. They are genuine with me.

No one can trust them because they violate the boundaries of trust. They betray him. They trample on the very notion of trust. They cross the limit. They pretend to be good people, but they commit vile, unacceptable things. They are hypocritical to the core, what kind of trust can we talk about?

Originally posted by: Laska

Let's not talk about Arjun, and why Maya chose him, and why she can't throw him into the trash, where he belongs

Who is watching this show, he well understands the reason why Maya is in this trap

By the way, don't forget that the opportunity for Maya to leave in the end took away the holy Dusky

Don't confuse cause and effect again

There are initial actions, and there are certain reactions

Don't write off everything on Maya's desire to have control over everything. These are simple excuses by which you brush aside

Whatever control Maya didn't want, she always gives freedom of relations, but exactly as long as they don't cross their limits

A person who crosses the limit receives an answer. A person in respect of whom the limit was crossed has the right to defend himself. He isn't a toy, so that everyone around him can kick him, throw him, tear him to pieces, and then unceremoniously pretend that nothing happened

Don't cross Dusky limit, nothing Maya would have done. But Dusky crosses it, and not only crosses, but brazenly and unceremoniously tramples on it

Control - Dusky climbed into the wedding. And after it became known about Maya's pregnancy, doesn't literally disengage from Arjun, she incites him to lie to Maya, to justify lies, she climbs into the relationship of a married couple every moment, and she did this before too

Vandana passes all the limits of simple human patience, and violates the limits of human communication to such an extent that there is nowhere else simply lower

Control - Vandana cancels the wedding, commands, demands, emotionally blackmails, pushes Ayan to Arjun, because she knows that she will not otherwise get Arjun

This is not manipulation? Is this not control?

With whom to talk here, if these people don't know how to listen and hear? If people don't know the laws and limits of normal human communication?

And don't forget that Maya spoke, she talked with them

If you judge for some actions, then judge all equally, and not only those who you chosen by the object of your hatred

Judge for manipulation? Judge everyone! Ask from all!

Judge for emotional blackmail? Judge everyone! Ask from all!

Don't play double standards when the same actions of characters are treated as a right and as a mortal sin, just because of person who did it

When person don't hug Dusky in the hospital - it's rude and disgusting and so person can't

And when Vandana demonstratively retreats or mocks a person, it is justified

This is called hypocrisy