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We have two people, let's call them P and Q. Both claim to have an immense love for their respective child. Being the concerned parents they are, their child is always on their mind and the child's well being and happiness is what they claim to be wishing for.

P has always tried to ensure his child's happiness by giving guidance and advice. But P has a habit of laying it out as it is without bothering to soften the blow. Harsh but honest. If P's child does not follow his advice, he would be worried but he would still accept the child's decision. If the decision turns out to be wrong and the child gets hurt, P would feel the pain too. He would continue to give his opinion & guidance hoping that the child takes the right decision in future but still not expecting the child to accept/agree to everything P says. Because P understands that the child has the right to choose to live life on his/her own terms.

Q too wants happiness for her child but on her own terms. Q guides the child expecting him to follow it. If the child chooses not to follow her advice, she would keep trying to prove him wrong. Her "I told you so "would be never ending even if it ends up causing more pain for her child. She wants and demands absolute control on the child's life. She raised him despite hardships. She wants power over him in return. Nobody else should be as important as her in his life. He is hers and only hers. He has the right to make decisions but only those which are approved by her.

P would speak exactly what is on his mind without mincing words even if it makes him look bad in the child's eyes.Q would decorate and guise her thoughts just to ensure her child keeps her on a pedestal.Is there a difference?

P would never think of deceiving his child,no matter how painful the truth is. Q would never hesitate in deceiving and lying to her child even when it would hurt him.

P would hurt the child with the truth and Q would hurt the child with deceptions.Is there a difference?

P cannot forgive a person who hurt his child on numerous occasions because her pain hurts him too. Q cannot forgive a person who once made her child happy because that person became important for the child even when she didn't want it to happen.

P clings to past because it hurt his child, Q clings to past because she cannot accept loss of control over the child. Is there a difference?

P wants his child to be successful so that she could lead a better and a happy life. If she becomes more successful than the person who hurt her, then that's a side benefit that he would enjoy. Q wants to her child to be successful so that the child fulfils all those forced duties and responsibilities which she wants him to fulfil.

P would want to give wings to his child so she could fly, fly without limits. Q would want to cage the bird so he could fly only where she wants him to. Is there a difference?

P is protective and Q is possessive. Is there a difference?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Let's call P as B and Q as I 🤣

Don't ask me Rose you already know my response. The idea of even trying to draw a parallel between a psycho mother and a protective father is beyond me. Honestly if some momma's boy breaks the heart of my girl for his momma, I would have never let her marry that guy no matter how psyscho I come across as, because in the short/long run, the marriage would definitely fail which it did for Sona's case . Bijoy was wrong in giving in to Sona's insistence on marrying Dev despite having his redemption. 👎🏼



No comments on Q. If someone makes me understand the reasons of her dislikes towards Sona, I would try to decode her 🤣 Anyone ?


Before terming both as equal, we should first ask this question to ourselves - Why does Ishwari dislike Sona vs. Why does Bijoy dislike Dev ? I am sure we don't need to look far while trying to find reasons on the second one - the endless lies, hurting his daughter time and again, being insensitive towards his daughter's feelings, infertility track and disrespecting her family. But for the first question, I am still trying to find the reason. The day I would, I would try to put my head into such absurd comparison. 👎🏼
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Let's call P as B and Q as I 🤣

😛😆

Don't ask me Rose you already know my response. The idea of even trying to draw a parallel between a psycho mother and a protective father is beyond me. Honestly if some momma's boy breaks the heart of my girl for his momma, I would have never let her marry that guy no matter how psyscho I come across as, because in the short/long run, the marriage would definitely fail which it did for Sona's case . Bijoy was wrong in giving in to Sona's insistence on marrying Dev despite having his redemption. 👎🏼
Redemption? Which redemption?😲How did I miss this redemption?



No comments on Q. If someone makes me understand the reasons of her dislikes towards Sona, I would try to decode her 🤣 Anyone ?
Sona was a better person and selflessly loved Dev? She wanted his genuine happiness? That's so evil PK.What's there to decode?😉


Before terming both as equal, we should first ask this question to ourselves - Why does Ishwari dislike Sona vs. Why does Bijoy dislike Dev ? I am sure we don't need to look far while trying to find reasons on the second one - the endless lies, hurting his daughter time and again, being insensitive towards his daughter's feelings, infertility track and disrespecting her family. But for the first question, I am still trying to find the reason. The day I would, I would try to put my head into such absurd comparison. 👎🏼
Absurd is right😆But I can tell you why Bijoy should like Dev- Dev saved Sona's life(accident) and married her even after knowing about infertility.End of discussion. He is not supposed to remember about all those other teeny tiny matters of insults and what not.

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😆 Also because he was rich and gave money to his saala. 😆
Humanity = Love.
Wealth = Love.
Lies = Love.


Darnn I need some HW dose asap ! 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I don't know why are we comparing Ishwari and Bijoy. There are two different persons. All said and done Ishwari is a possessive mother, she did not learn to let go, may be her hardships, being left alone, has a deep rooted insecurity of being abandoned by her son once he gets married,. Bijoy as a protective father is correct in his perspective and in real life too we only think about ourselves isn't. From the story point of view both Bijoy and Ishwari have their own flaws, degree of it may be different.
Many members say that he was hurt that Dev broke his daughters heart for his mother or rather he choose his mother over his lovely daughter, if hypothetically Saurab was in place of Dev and he chooses the girl over them would he be happy, no right. With all his apprehensions he accepted th get Dev and Sona marry, but before rushing into marriage why didn't he try to talk to Dev about his fears, he is educated and more aware...There were some more instances where he could have shown a more mature behaviour, like bringing police to his daughter's in laws place without any thought, which could have broken his daughters marriage.

He is proud of his daughters success, which he should be but along with that as parents we also need to teach our children that it is not necessary necessary that every one loves us, some may not like us. Sona's efforts in the beginning of her marriage was to forcibly make Ishwari like her, inspite of Dev repeatedly telling her, he likes her as she is and not to change. Everyone has their own flaws and nobody is perfect, and by writing about Bijoys faults I am not trying to justify Ishwari. As a concerned father he has every right to take steps to protect his daughter, and I like this serial inspite of few over dramatic episodes we can relate to all the characters. We will find Ishwari type mother in laws unite often who don't know when to let go and sadly in more that 75% cases, they are left alone unless the son is able to balance between his mother and wife or the daughter in law has enormous patience in her. Sorry for the long rant,


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Posted: 8 years ago
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That's why P is so bad and Q is the best. Because Q does everything to show the displeasure in action but never said a word "separate" 😆 P says everything because the child is struggling.. Q does everything because P is struggling..😆
Anyway P and Q are poles apart.. Thus making their children too way different.. And except for the passion for love and love story, they don't have the maturity to be good companion to each other.. They couldn't even continue their friendship.. If Sona says anything against Ishu, Dev wouldn't even blink to shut her off.. Where is the friendship in their relationship.. Sona didn't even realize she was completely a different person when she was in The Ishwari Nivas.. That itself is a wrong sign how misfit she's in that household and their way of living.. And Dev is never ready to change his ways of living expecting her not to change. If only that had happened from the beginning.. By now they wouldn't even have any memories to remember.. And sure no Soha to carry a season 2.. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very nice write up!

However I want to say just one thing!

End does not justify the means- irrespective what the intentions are perceived to be actions is what matter!
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I agree.There is no comparison between the two.I just couldn't stop myself from writing this due the very reason that these two were being equated.
Yes,Bijoy has his own flaws.Who is perfect in this world? And as long as the flaws of a person don't over weigh and over power his positive traits,its absolutely alright. Its absurd to expect a person to be a saint and always behave perfectly.
I cannot imagine Saurabh in that situation because the two families are so completely different and such a situation would not have cropped up at all in Bose family. But one thing I am sure of that if Saurabh had supported his wife over his mother in a situation where his mother was wrong,he would not have been blamed or considered wrong for doing so.

Failure is also a part of life and yea,not everybody you meet is going to love you. It's rightly said that you can be the ripest,juiciest peach in the world and there'll still be somebody who hate peaches.
Sona wanted to be accepted and liked by Ishwari and she was willing to change for that.That was her mistake. Plus her need for Ishwari to accept her also stemmed from the fear that Dev would abandon her again if Ishwari asks him to.But I don't think Bijoy ever taught her to please everybody. He always taught her to believe in herself.It was she who had forgotten her worth.Parents can only show you the way.The interpretation is in the child's hand, the child has to decide whether to follow that path.Feel free to rant anytime.

Originally posted by: NeerajaGirish

I don't know why are we comparing Ishwari and Bijoy. There are two different persons. All said and done Ishwari is a possessive mother, she did not learn to let go, may be her hardships, being left alone, has a deep rooted insecurity of being abandoned by her son once he gets married,. Bijoy as a protective father is correct in his perspective and in real life too we only think about ourselves isn't. From the story point of view both Bijoy and Ishwari have their own flaws, degree of it may be different.

Many members say that he was hurt that Dev broke his daughters heart for his mother or rather he choose his mother over his lovely daughter, if hypothetically Saurab was in place of Dev and he chooses the girl over them would he be happy, no right. With all his apprehensions he accepted th get Dev and Sona marry, but before rushing into marriage why didn't he try to talk to Dev about his fears, he is educated and more aware...There were some more instances where he could have shown a more mature behaviour, like bringing police to his daughter's in laws place without any thought, which could have broken his daughters marriage.

He is proud of his daughters success, which he should be but along with that as parents we also need to teach our children that it is not necessary necessary that every one loves us, some may not like us. Sona's efforts in the beginning of her marriage was to forcibly make Ishwari like her, inspite of Dev repeatedly telling her, he likes her as she is and not to change. Everyone has their own flaws and nobody is perfect, and by writing about Bijoys faults I am not trying to justify Ishwari. As a concerned father he has every right to take steps to protect his daughter, and I like this serial inspite of few over dramatic episodes we can relate to all the characters. We will find Ishwari type mother in laws unite often who don't know when to let go and sadly in more that 75% cases, they are left alone unless the son is able to balance between his mother and wife or the daughter in law has enormous patience in her. Sorry for the long rant,


Edited by rose4ever - 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: rose4ever

We have two people, let's call them P and Q. Both claim
to have an immense love for their respective child. Being the concerned parents
they are, their child is always on their mind and the child's well being and
happiness is what they claim to be wishing for.

P has always tried to ensure his child's happiness by giving guidance and advice. But P has a habit of laying it out as it is without
bothering to soften the blow. Harsh but honest. If P's child does not follow
his advice, he would be worried but he would still accept the child's decision.
If the decision turns out to be wrong and the child gets hurt, P would feel the
pain too. He would continue to give his opinion & guidance hoping that the
child takes the right decision in future but still not expecting the child to
accept/agree to everything P says. Because P understands that the child has the
right to choose to live life on his/her own terms.

Q too wants happiness for her child but on her own terms.
Q guides the child expecting him to follow it. If the child chooses not to
follow her advice, she would keep trying to prove him wrong. Her "I told you so "would be never ending
even if it ends up causing more pain for her child. She wants and demands
absolute control on the child's life. She raised him despite hardships. She
wants power over him in return. Nobody else should be as important as her in
his life. He is hers and only hers. He has the right to make decisions but only
those which are approved by her.

P would speak exactly what is on his mind without mincing words even if it makes him look bad in the child's eyes.Q would decorate and guise her thoughts just to ensure her child keeps her on a pedestal.Is there a difference?

P would never think of deceiving his child,no matter how
painful the truth is. Q would never hesitate in deceiving and lying to her
child even when it would hurt him.

P would hurt the child with the truth and Q
would hurt the child with deceptions.Is there a difference?

P cannot forgive a person who hurt his child on numerous occasions
because her pain hurts him too. Q cannot
forgive
a person who once made her child happy because that person became
important for the child even when she didn't want it to happen.

P
clings to past because it hurt his child, Q clings to past because she cannot
accept loss of control over the child. Is there a difference?

P wants his child to be successful so that she could lead
a better and a happy life. If she becomes more successful than the person who
hurt her, then that's a side benefit that he would enjoy. Q wants to her child
to be successful so that the child fulfils all those forced duties and
responsibilities which she wants him to fulfil. </b>

<b>P
would want to give wings to his child so she could fly, fly without limits. Q
would want to cage the bird so he could fly only where she wants him to. Is
there a difference?

<font color="#990066">P is protective and Q is possessive. Is there a difference?</font>





I would say ,Yes!! there is a difference .

I would compare P with Sugar and Q with Cigarette

Sugar is needed for body to survive but when taken in abundance will cause Diabetes and will cause harm to the body

Cigarette is not required for the body ...initially will enjoy ...slowly the body becomes addictive and then later it reaches a stage when body will find difficult to breath ...eventually will destroy


So protective father is good for the child when the protectiveness is in the right amount...when over protective , parents tend to destroy their kids happiness

Possessive parents can be really bad...because they don't allow the child to bloom in the right way...have wings of their own to experience the world and his/her life.

In our story Bijoy is over protective father but thankfully Sonakshi has Asha who tries to warn Bijoy when he becomes over protective. So Sonakshi was allowed to breath, fly and experience ...enjoy life..

In case Ishwari every one around her agrees to her possessiveness and Dev became addicted to it as he didn't have any friends or any one else ...so he also started responding to that affection...but when Sonakshi came into his life the whole dynamics of the relationship betwn his mom and him changed...and Ishwari was not willing to change...

Honestly I feel bad for Dev ... I guess he never grew up...because his mom never allowed him to grow up...we might look at him and say when he got married he was 28 yrs old high time to understand what is good and bad...but its not easily done ...this guy's love for her is the first time in his entire life managed to have someone other than his mother ...and he himself was not able to gauge what his feel is for her...all he knew is tht when she was not around his life is in turmoil...and she completes him...and he can just him ...he felt no matter what he said or did she would understand his troubles and help him out..

This is because Sona not even once had to show her vulnerable side to him because she had a strong support system at home...where as for Dev she was his support system...

Honestly I want him to get his Sona and Soha back...this guy deserves happiness... I know he has spoken very rudely to her because he got angry with her ...abv all under the influence of alcohol ...
When you compare Sona and Dev...I feel Sona was always the blessed one ...even during the break up...and again during their seven long years of separation...Sona always had something to look forward ...ppl to help her to move on...

But that's not the case with Dev...he didn't have anything other than his responsibilities to look forward or move on...his support system at home would always show him that he has taken wrong decisions by falling in love with her ...and take him on a guilt trip...he is the one who is always in pain...

So yes I do feel for Dev...and I am liking this present Dev too...atleast he has changed to accept that ppl around him are only there because he has money...I just hope he finds peace in his life thru Soha...
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Originally posted by: Push-pull

That's why P is so bad and Q is the best. Because Q does everything to show the displeasure in action but never said a word "separate" 😆 P says everything because the child is struggling.. Q does everything because P is struggling..😆

Anyway P and Q are poles apart.. Thus making their children too way different.. And except for the passion for love and love story, they don't have the maturity to be good companion to each other.. They couldn't even continue their friendship.. If Sona says anything against Ishu, Dev wouldn't even blink to shut her off.. Where is the friendship in their relationship.. Sona didn't even realize she was completely a different person when she was in The Ishwari Nivas.. That itself is a wrong sign how misfit she's in that household and their way of living.. And Dev is never ready to change his ways of living expecting her not to change. If only that had happened from the beginning.. By now they wouldn't even have any memories to remember.. And sure no Soha to carry a season 2.. 😆

Totally true.I had written in one of Gemini's post that after marriage Sona had changed so much that she had become a shell of a person she once was. She had forgotten her value and her fear that Dev would leave her again changed her so much. Dev only confirmed her fears every time he shut her out of his life, denying her,a glimpse into his past, every time he belittled her opinion and mocked her feelings. How could she have trusted him with her feelings after that? Sona was Dev's friend but Dev never tried to become Sona's friend by his actions.We all know how shallow his words were.
And it was good to watch the friendship and comfort between Sona and Jatin that was missing with Dev😉

Edited by rose4ever - 8 years ago

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